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On May 19 2013 00:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Goddamn it Dandel, lol.
DP do I still have to explain my townread on Grush?
As far as who I want to lynch I've been saying it all game. Right now it's sputnik since he scummed the fuck out of the thread with his first few posts and still hasn't returned or cared to do anything else. If he comes back and somehow proves himself I could move to JJD---speaking of whom are you actually around or 'active lurking,' as you've been accused of? Cause I has some questions for yas.
Yes. You do have to explain because the first time he said starsenses was not adequate and under duress. The problem I am having is that you were SOOOOOO confident in your read, calling it a mislynch or w/e when I sure as fuck was not confident about it. Which prompted me to do research and after that was still not confident about grush. Yet you were for no reason at all as far as I can see.
The first STARSENSES is not an acceptable reason.
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On May 19 2013 00:15 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 00:01 DarthPunk wrote:
And explain your town read on grush while your at it. Because, Whilst my meta on grush may not be enough to lynch him it sure as fuck isn't good enough for a town read or calling him a mislynch. As someone who hasn't played with grush before, his filter looks terrible. The whole starsenses meta argument doesn't seem helpful at all. The majority of his posts are just complete spam aside from his voting on vayne. Overall even if he is town, he's not helping.
Would you like to lynch him? WTF are you actually saying here?
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On May 19 2013 00:23 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 00:17 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 00:15 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 19 2013 00:01 DarthPunk wrote:
And explain your town read on grush while your at it. Because, Whilst my meta on grush may not be enough to lynch him it sure as fuck isn't good enough for a town read or calling him a mislynch. As someone who hasn't played with grush before, his filter looks terrible. The whole starsenses meta argument doesn't seem helpful at all. The majority of his posts are just complete spam aside from his voting on vayne. Overall even if he is town, he's not helping. Would you like to lynch him? WTF are you actually saying here? My point is that from my view his posts are completely pointless and devoid of any true content, yet others are OK with him being town simply based on meta. I want to see him post more quality stuff or I will put my vote on him.
So you will vote for him even though everyone else says he is town? Have you read the posts speaking about his meta and his use of STARSENSE as a town claim that has been true for the last~15 games?
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On May 19 2013 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote:My input from what I have read Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 12:04 DarthPunk wrote:Just catching up now. But I thought I would give some input. This post seems incredibly townie to me. Generally I find townies are the ones who will defend their ego's to the last breath. I don't want to lynch vayne today based on that post alone. I appreciate the defense and all but could you explain why you brought this up after it was buried under the rug? it would help me a lot in reading you, thanks in advance. Also post your best lynch as of now if you would be so kind. You are one of the most reasonable players here from what I have seen so I really want to know that you aren't scum.
I was just commenting on things that stood out to me as I read the thread. (i was like 20 pages behind or something) That stood out to me as incredibly townie so I mentioned it because people were calling you out at that point. Later people (correctly) viewed you as not a good lynch candidate. But i didn't know that when I posted.
I was looking at grush and WoS for lynches. Grush is not a good lynch anymore, and WoS could sway me depending on the way he answers my questions.
So probably Sputnik theory, WoS or Rayn right now.
Sputnik for being all weird and lurky. And Rayn for just being lurky.
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On May 19 2013 00:34 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 00:24 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 00:23 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 19 2013 00:17 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 00:15 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 19 2013 00:01 DarthPunk wrote:
And explain your town read on grush while your at it. Because, Whilst my meta on grush may not be enough to lynch him it sure as fuck isn't good enough for a town read or calling him a mislynch. As someone who hasn't played with grush before, his filter looks terrible. The whole starsenses meta argument doesn't seem helpful at all. The majority of his posts are just complete spam aside from his voting on vayne. Overall even if he is town, he's not helping. Would you like to lynch him? WTF are you actually saying here? My point is that from my view his posts are completely pointless and devoid of any true content, yet others are OK with him being town simply based on meta. I want to see him post more quality stuff or I will put my vote on him. So you will vote for him even though everyone else says he is town? Have you read the posts speaking about his meta and his use of STARSENSE as a town claim that has been true for the last~15 games? Yeah I read the post, and didnt really sway me. His posts in this game haven;t been informative at all which is the criteria I determine if someone is town.
OK. let me put it this way. If someone does something 100 times. And then does it a 101st time. How likely is it that the 101st time is different than the previous 100?
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On May 19 2013 00:39 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 00:34 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 19 2013 00:24 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 00:23 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 19 2013 00:17 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 00:15 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 19 2013 00:01 DarthPunk wrote:
And explain your town read on grush while your at it. Because, Whilst my meta on grush may not be enough to lynch him it sure as fuck isn't good enough for a town read or calling him a mislynch. As someone who hasn't played with grush before, his filter looks terrible. The whole starsenses meta argument doesn't seem helpful at all. The majority of his posts are just complete spam aside from his voting on vayne. Overall even if he is town, he's not helping. Would you like to lynch him? WTF are you actually saying here? My point is that from my view his posts are completely pointless and devoid of any true content, yet others are OK with him being town simply based on meta. I want to see him post more quality stuff or I will put my vote on him. So you will vote for him even though everyone else says he is town? Have you read the posts speaking about his meta and his use of STARSENSE as a town claim that has been true for the last~15 games? Yeah I read the post, and didnt really sway me. His posts in this game haven;t been informative at all which is the criteria I determine if someone is town. You'll never be able to read grush then, just fyi.
It's not really a read if he just tells everyone his alignment either game.
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On May 19 2013 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
DP there is nothing else to say about grush. I don't give a shit about the difference bewteen the first STARSENSES and the second, it means he's town and that's it.
Now either vote me for it or don't, but let's fucking move on and catch some scum. If you choose not to vote me, who is your op read atm?
I am voting for you. You were way to confident in your grush read for a townie. And I am asking you repeatedly to explain why because If I am ever going to see you as town I need to understand how your read of grush could come from a townie. At the moment you are being very unhelpful so my vote is staying where it is.
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On May 19 2013 00:50 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 00:37 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 00:34 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 19 2013 00:24 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 00:23 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 19 2013 00:17 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 00:15 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 19 2013 00:01 DarthPunk wrote:
And explain your town read on grush while your at it. Because, Whilst my meta on grush may not be enough to lynch him it sure as fuck isn't good enough for a town read or calling him a mislynch. As someone who hasn't played with grush before, his filter looks terrible. The whole starsenses meta argument doesn't seem helpful at all. The majority of his posts are just complete spam aside from his voting on vayne. Overall even if he is town, he's not helping. Would you like to lynch him? WTF are you actually saying here? My point is that from my view his posts are completely pointless and devoid of any true content, yet others are OK with him being town simply based on meta. I want to see him post more quality stuff or I will put my vote on him. So you will vote for him even though everyone else says he is town? Have you read the posts speaking about his meta and his use of STARSENSE as a town claim that has been true for the last~15 games? Yeah I read the post, and didnt really sway me. His posts in this game haven;t been informative at all which is the criteria I determine if someone is town. OK. let me put it this way. If someone does something 100 times. And then does it a 101st time. How likely is it that the 101st time is different than the previous 100? This goes back to the beginning of the game when i gave s0Lstice some shit for posting about his game history being all town. It's the same type of argument. What really helps get scum is to get people's opinions, have people take sides, and see if they defend them. grush hasn't done this and it bothers me.
Thats fine. As long as you spend some of your time looking at other people and don't tunnell grush all game that is all we can ask for.
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OK I was inclined to drop the case on WoS because he seemed to be useful and contributing. But on closer inspection a lot of the same things that original put me off about him remain in his posts.
This post for example contains all the fundamental issues I had with WoS in an earlier post.
On May 19 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote:You tempt me, good sir, but I dunno your cases don't seem....fleshed out enough? In your Gk case explain how the meta reads are false for example. Also Dandel scumread? Interesting. As far as marv goes I believe his explanation was that JJD has played his games and doesn't get a newbie pass to lurk the way he has? I agree with this to some extent but I also agree with what GK said that it seems more likely for JJD to come back and actually do something later in the game than sputnik who was satisfied to scum up the thread and then fuck off.
Like here he is 'tempted' to join the goodkarma wagon? like wtf is that? You either vote for goodkarma cause you think he is scum. Or you don't because you don't know. I don't know how you could be tempted to join a wagon as town, especially when you in the next sentence say you agree with GK about something. And marv BTW at the same time. on two different sides of a position.
Regardless I think it's probably best to once again take a wait and see approach to WoS i'm sure if he is scum he will slip up somewhere, and I would rather not lynch someone who clearly gives a shit about the game.
##unvote
ok Gonna continue catching up with the thread.
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On May 19 2013 06:31 marvellosity wrote:
DP - I'm not so sure I like this WoS wagon anymore. What say you?
Yeha. For the moment It's not a good lynch.
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On May 19 2013 06:58 marvellosity wrote:
Wave - I hosted goodkarma's first (I think?) newbie game, number 24.
In this game, in the first 2 days, town had massive problems with consolidation, despite it being plurality lynch. Votes were spread all over the place. Only on day 3 did GK understand the value of consolidation (even in plurality). So that point doesn't ring true to me, just because I know goodkarma was taught a serious lesson about consolidation. You can go read his filter from there, or perhaps you could read my post-game analysis there where I touch on the same things.
Yeah I was in that game. I can completely understand a town GK wanting to consolidate in plurality. Consolidating in plurality is not about getting a lynch off. It's about getting the RIGHT lynch off.
Anyway, GK is NOT a good lynch today. I am confident in my ability to read him as the game goes on and his ability to prove his townieness.
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On May 19 2013 07:09 iamperfection wrote:
This is my current thinking
1. Stutters695- very null I feel like im watching a rerun of a cartoon i have seen like 6 times. If he says yo im going to busy for the next 8 hours catch you later i will reach through the computer and bitch slap him
2. iamperfection- Innocent child
3. grush57- Starsenses- he can be vigged though the point that i had to drag it out of him makes sense. Plus he is useless anyways.
4. Blazinghand- Very null. May suffer from sudden amnesia. nothing he has done has shown me that oh shit bh clearly thinking deeply and clearly about the game. I have seen bh derp it up before as town but generally he is super involved even when he is derping it up and im just not getting that feel from him of his overall commitment to town
5. WaveofShadow- i dont know- He dosnt seem that scummy to me reading his filter. Activity is ok seems to care to me probally should have a town read on him
6. JarJarDrinks- summyish more like null though- Has been generally inactive. It was wierd when he was confused on what i meant earlier with him and bh. I dont know what to make of that
7. goodkarma- scum- It seems like to me he is going from easy target to easy target. I dont see much interaction with town it seems he is more interested in trying to justify why he is voting for some or why he is voting then actually trying to figure things out. has been not very active and if you look at the filter i dont see the interaction with town that i would think you would see from a town player. Focused on justification more than figuring it out it looks to me.
8. yamato77- null- want to know why he thinks gk is town because i dont see it.
9. s0Lstice-town for now- Since he dislikes sputnik and gk that seems good to me.
10. VayneAuthority- town- Seems to be making a spectacle of himself thats a townie trait. I ignore most of his posts though
11. sputnik.theory- Scum- THe only thing that bothers me is that he claim vt for good knows what reason which is confusing if he were to be scum. The rest of his filter is complete shit. List post general inactivity not hunting scum.
12. marvellosity-town Our mind meld when we posted the same exact thought about bh's point about jar jar makes me think he is town. Been generally active and seems to care. Probably should only be suspicious of him if i die over him. If that were to happen lean on him heavily for support to figure out the game. If he gets lazy stab him in the back.
13. Spicydinosaur-town Went against thread sentiment with his thoughts on grush would be weird to do that as scum with everyone against him. marv had a point to i guess you can use that lesser argument as well for evidence that he is town.
14. Dandel Ion -town- i Didn't think his shit fest with marv made him scum at all and all his posts in general seem to have been pretty reasonable to me.
15. DarthPunk- town- His pressure on wos seems sincere i also liked his quick answer to my pressure in the beginning. No reason to not think he is town at the moment.
16. raynpelikoneet-null- wants to kill gk and sputnik makes him ok in my book bad activity though
LIST POST!!! OMDG LYNCH DIS MAN.
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On May 19 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +9. s0Lstice-town for now- Since he dislikes sputnik and gk that seems good to me.
16. raynpelikoneet-null- wants to kill gk and sputnik makes him ok in my book bad activity though Okay, this guy claimed scum. ##Unvote;
##Vote: iamperfectionggyo
LoL this is like so townie to me.
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On May 19 2013 07:38 iamperfection wrote:
wathever if we have a vig rayn is good target he is speaking nonsense and nonsense is the number one target for vigs.
Nah. He is town bro. Yes he is talking nonsense. But that be some townie nonsense.
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OK all caught up. I think I want to lynch Sputnik today due to process of elimination. IE there are no other lynches I would be comfortable with.
Yamato? Still around? How do you feel about a straight up lurker/weirdness lynch on Sputnik?
##Vote: Sputnik Theory
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On May 19 2013 09:26 Spicydinosaur wrote:I'm reading raynpelikoneet as a shitty town. He claimed that GK was scum and supported it with a number of points in a couple of posts. This may not be the best argument but at least he's supporting his position. Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, here is the case, Goodkarma:
- Shitty case on Stutters with backpedalling without explanation.
- Contradicting himself on grush, REALLY BAD! STARSENSEESSSSSS!
- His meta comparsion on Jarjar is false.
- His meta comparsion on me is false.
- His stance on WoS is that Wos plays town "bad" and here he is bad, so he is scum. Bad =/= scum.
Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GK:
- Do you know haw Jarjar plays? Did you explain why he is scum as he does what he does?
- About me. What games about me you have read?
- About grush. You say "So in other words, you will always be town when you say starsenses. And you haven't said starsenses this game. Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game..." Look at your argument. You are basically saying "you didn't claim STARSENSES, YOU ARE SCUM, BUT IF YOU DO, YOU ARE ALSO SCUM".
I don't need to tell you why you are wrong, you need to tell me why you are right. so quotes please. Make sure you quote me from my last (town) game where i said i'm working 12h/7d/week. And call me a lurker then. However he then goes off the rails with iamperfection after he gives his quick view of the group. Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:9. s0Lstice-town for now- Since he dislikes sputnik and gk that seems good to me.
16. raynpelikoneet-null- wants to kill gk and sputnik makes him ok in my book bad activity though Okay, this guy claimed scum. ##Unvote;
##Vote: iamperfectionggyo Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iamp, yamato, marm; i am involved, i am voting for iamp atm. he is calling one gut town and one guy null for same reasons. that is bullshit imo.
and marv. do not talk about martyring, you are the king of it. end of discussion. This seems more like a impulse child vote than anything throwing a hissy fit because he feels his play is on a different level. There is a clear difference in the mentality that went into the voting of GK and iamp. Seems very spammy for spammy sake.
Who do you want to lynch. I agree with you on Rayn being shitty town. What I want to know is who is getting the noose. I suggest you take a look at sputnik for being a solid lynch for today.
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Ew. I just looked at Sputnik's last game. He was vigged night one as a blue. Admittedly he did more that game than this game (although not by much) not sure if he is a good lynch after all.
##unvote
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On May 19 2013 10:51 yamato77 wrote:
What about Dandel, DP? Any thoughts on him?
Yeah. I want to avoid a flame war with him. Because we don't like each other.
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As for my read on him. I feel like he is flying under the radar after the bravado of his entrance. Doesn't quite ring true to not be a high impact player when you arrive by flaming marv.
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On May 18 2013 07:32 Dandel Ion wrote:
Hey guys this thread looks extraordinarily dumb and only dumb shit is happening and I am extremely uninterested in everything that's happened so far.
I just was like "oh yeah another thread that's as full of irrelevant bs as Personality*, that gotta be FUN" so I just HAD to replace in.
Now I shall read my role PM.
Or shall I?
I guess I shall, but I'm not decided yet!
This is something I just remembered. How many of you have replaced into a game before? I have several times and every single time I have recieved my role PM along with permission to start posting in the thread. I find it hard to believe Dandel did not read his role PM cause he was replacing in.
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