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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 24 2013 17:24 GMT
#2459
On May 25 2013 02:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
2 cycles

not 3


hmm? why only 2?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 24 2013 17:32 GMT
#2460
given there are 4 mafia, mafia have at least 3 chances to kill the jailer while the jailer is roleblocking the SK
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 24 2013 20:06 GMT
#2475
On May 25 2013 02:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Because the block still goes through on the night of his death.


yeah he needs 4 blocks total
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 24 2013 20:07 GMT
#2476
people like stutters need to stop suggesting stupid plans. it's annoying.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 24 2013 20:45 GMT
#2482
Stutters might actually be mafia, he's blatantly not reading the thread.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 24 2013 21:46 GMT
#2484
just does (maybe)

he's trying to be all useful with what we should do, but actually he's not being useful, he's posting shit for the sake of posting shit.

yukyukyuk
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 24 2013 22:34 GMT
#2486
This isn't a meta or an activity argument, so please don't try to make it one.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2013 10:04 GMT
#2515
On May 25 2013 18:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 14:54 goodkarma wrote:
Then of the pool of remaining people I find it a little hard to fathom Solstice playing this well as scum having never played it before. He's stayed uncontroversial / unnoticed for the most part for sure, but he's still been semi-helpful / pro-town for most of the game, as well as fairly active. I'm leaning on him being town, but I could definitely be wrong.


This is actually really insightful from GK and reading through his filter a very accurate conclusion, where i disagree is his conclusion. That is exactly the kind of things I look out for when I look for scum. I actually think we should lynch s0lstice.

What do you think marv?


I actually think s0lstice is town, partly from his general play, partly from the really dumb fight he got into with me.

As a general note about myself, I'm not apathetic, this is the lynch we need to make today and there's a reasonably decent chance we won't even be here tomorrow to find de mafioso. If we are around tomorrow to do so, then we can look in earnest. I only reference the players who thought I was blates town because it should be pretty obvious I'm town, and it's obvious enough that other players agreed with me. GK's characterisation of my play is terribly weak.

Thing is, GK, I can easily make some 1000 word post talking about every player in the game and coming to any conclusion I like. That's really really easy. You continually make these large list posts calling townies mafia. You don't actually push anything for shit, GK.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2013 10:07 GMT
#2516
I'll look into s0lstice more if town is alive after the night, though.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2013 17:25 GMT
#2531
On May 26 2013 01:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 19:04 marvellosity wrote:
On May 25 2013 18:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 25 2013 14:54 goodkarma wrote:
Then of the pool of remaining people I find it a little hard to fathom Solstice playing this well as scum having never played it before. He's stayed uncontroversial / unnoticed for the most part for sure, but he's still been semi-helpful / pro-town for most of the game, as well as fairly active. I'm leaning on him being town, but I could definitely be wrong.


This is actually really insightful from GK and reading through his filter a very accurate conclusion, where i disagree is his conclusion. That is exactly the kind of things I look out for when I look for scum. I actually think we should lynch s0lstice.

What do you think marv?


I actually think s0lstice is town, partly from his general play, partly from the really dumb fight he got into with me.

As a general note about myself, I'm not apathetic, this is the lynch we need to make today and there's a reasonably decent chance we won't even be here tomorrow to find de mafioso. If we are around tomorrow to do so, then we can look in earnest. I only reference the players who thought I was blates town because it should be pretty obvious I'm town, and it's obvious enough that other players agreed with me. GK's characterisation of my play is terribly weak.

Thing is, GK, I can easily make some 1000 word post talking about every player in the game and coming to any conclusion I like. That's really really easy. You continually make these large list posts calling townies mafia. You don't actually push anything for shit, GK.


Marv what the fuck?
Why not start today if there's people who won't be around tomorrow? I really don't understand your shutting down of discussion constantly; it's really starting to bother me. I agree with your point about GK, but what have you done lately aside from pop in now and then without really contributing?

I have had no doubts you were town the entire game but your play recently now has me second-guessing myself. Is this the best explanation you have for your mindset right now?


yep, i'm a pragmatist
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 25 2013 18:07 GMT
#2534
So, are we to judge you by your reads so far GK, like you proclaimed earlier in the game?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2013 14:40 GMT
#2598
I'm back! Seems I missed some rather interesting developments o.o Gonna read up on the thread.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2013 14:47 GMT
#2599
On May 26 2013 12:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 12:04 s0Lstice wrote:
On my phone atm.

Your filter looks fine DP, but your reads and mine right now are so opposite that I have to wonder. Like I said earlier, I'm having to find scum from a bunch of former town reads.

I'm frustrated because if there 4 scum like we think (probably are, dandels play makes no sense otherwise), then town has effectively already lost this game.

I really do think marv is scum. If anyone, he should have been the voice of reason during the whole bh thing. He even said in the mason qt that there was a perfectly townie reason for the slip, and that was that BH literally didn't give a shit about the game when it happened....enough that he didn't know how many people were in the game. I made the mistake of assuming that he would at least know its a 16 player game he was in.

Let me ask you something else. Was it obvious to you that iamp was a town mason? On night 1, iamp dies and you are roleblocked dp. Is it more likely that the scum team saw iamps claim and switched targets (plus the roleblock) in the 7 minutes they had, or that they knew the entire time because marv is scum.

After the slip, the first thing marv did in thread was nitpick a tiny semantics issue in something I posted. He didn't even care to read what I said right, despite saying to iamp in mason qt that everyone should keep an eye on me. Is this town marv to you? BH scumslips, kind of a big deal, and he puts it aside to talk about something inconsequential. He doesn't even comment definitively on the slip until you drag it out of him dp.

There's been other times too where he's had uncharacteristic reading comprehension errors. It just doesn't seem like town marv to me.


This. I had actually come up with this point myself because if we take that factor alone, it honestly seems more likely that scum already knew about the mason than picked him up with like 5 min to go until deadline.
Again, I'm not convinced that marv is scum atm, but that's a pretty big point against him right now. I was willing to throw all reasonable doubt aside at that point in the game because like you said, DP, he really did appear to be a shining example of all that town stands for, but marv's seeming lack of caring about the game recently has forced me to think about these things.

He is by no means my primary scumread atm, that honour still goes to JJD right now, but I would very much like for him to come back and show us why he isn't scum.


This is absolute nonsense. It's quite the opposite. Go read the QT with iamp, halfway through the day he asked me if he should out himself as mason to the thread to see what reactions he got, and I told him not to. It would rather be in my interest as mafia to have iamp out himself in the middle of the night, and he god-damn offered to do it. Your thinking here is *way* off.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2013 14:53 GMT
#2600
Now this SK thing is weird. Does/did/do mafia actually have 2 kp and there isn't an SK?

Given the SK actually ISN'T Dandel, the shot(s) last night make zero sense. Why wasn't the SK shooting for mafia? (i.e Dandel!)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2013 15:59 GMT
#2602
why not? you've no basis to say that. wtf was the SK doing last night then?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2013 16:06 GMT
#2606
What the fuck is up with you? I forgot reading the OP from like a week ago that mafia had 1 kp? it's hardly a disaster is it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2013 16:13 GMT
#2608
His throwaway read on you is/was pretty terrible. His attitude towards me in regards to the BH thing is also pretty awful. I should have been the voice of reason? It's just a terrible post-hoc argument. The main reason I couldn't make myself switch off BH was how long BH put his cases off for. If s0lstice genuinely had a problem with this then he did a bang up job of not complaining about it at the time.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2013 16:16 GMT
#2610
On May 27 2013 01:14 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 23:47 marvellosity wrote:
On May 26 2013 12:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 26 2013 12:04 s0Lstice wrote:
On my phone atm.

Your filter looks fine DP, but your reads and mine right now are so opposite that I have to wonder. Like I said earlier, I'm having to find scum from a bunch of former town reads.

I'm frustrated because if there 4 scum like we think (probably are, dandels play makes no sense otherwise), then town has effectively already lost this game.

I really do think marv is scum. If anyone, he should have been the voice of reason during the whole bh thing. He even said in the mason qt that there was a perfectly townie reason for the slip, and that was that BH literally didn't give a shit about the game when it happened....enough that he didn't know how many people were in the game. I made the mistake of assuming that he would at least know its a 16 player game he was in.

Let me ask you something else. Was it obvious to you that iamp was a town mason? On night 1, iamp dies and you are roleblocked dp. Is it more likely that the scum team saw iamps claim and switched targets (plus the roleblock) in the 7 minutes they had, or that they knew the entire time because marv is scum.

After the slip, the first thing marv did in thread was nitpick a tiny semantics issue in something I posted. He didn't even care to read what I said right, despite saying to iamp in mason qt that everyone should keep an eye on me. Is this town marv to you? BH scumslips, kind of a big deal, and he puts it aside to talk about something inconsequential. He doesn't even comment definitively on the slip until you drag it out of him dp.

There's been other times too where he's had uncharacteristic reading comprehension errors. It just doesn't seem like town marv to me.


This. I had actually come up with this point myself because if we take that factor alone, it honestly seems more likely that scum already knew about the mason than picked him up with like 5 min to go until deadline.
Again, I'm not convinced that marv is scum atm, but that's a pretty big point against him right now. I was willing to throw all reasonable doubt aside at that point in the game because like you said, DP, he really did appear to be a shining example of all that town stands for, but marv's seeming lack of caring about the game recently has forced me to think about these things.

He is by no means my primary scumread atm, that honour still goes to JJD right now, but I would very much like for him to come back and show us why he isn't scum.


This is absolute nonsense. It's quite the opposite. Go read the QT with iamp, halfway through the day he asked me if he should out himself as mason to the thread to see what reactions he got, and I told him not to. It would rather be in my interest as mafia to have iamp out himself in the middle of the night, and he god-damn offered to do it. Your thinking here is *way* off.


Pretty sure scum you would have told him to wait as well. Otherwise you're in the shit when he gets NK'd because you advocated for a blue to reveal himself early for no reason.


why? I could happily have said "sure why not, could be interesting". It's not like it was my idea.

If you carry on being terrible I'm going to have to assume you're mafia I'm afraid.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2013 16:19 GMT
#2612
On May 27 2013 01:17 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
Now this SK thing is weird. Does/did/do mafia actually have 2 kp and there isn't an SK?

Given the SK actually ISN'T Dandel, the shot(s) last night make zero sense. Why wasn't the SK shooting for mafia? (i.e Dandel!)


Aside from the OP thing pointed out, when you wrote this, what were you thinking the motivation was for Dandel to claim scum? Like, he doesn't do it unless it helps his team in some way. Really the only way it helps his team is if there is an SK, no?


There is like no upside to losing a mafia member that I can think of. He basically claimed mafia when he laughed at BH flipping town; SK could have shot at Dandel there and then (and should have *shakes fist*). At which point the game would still absolutely be in town's hands
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 26 2013 16:24 GMT
#2614
On May 27 2013 01:23 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 01:19 marvellosity wrote:
On May 27 2013 01:17 s0Lstice wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
Now this SK thing is weird. Does/did/do mafia actually have 2 kp and there isn't an SK?

Given the SK actually ISN'T Dandel, the shot(s) last night make zero sense. Why wasn't the SK shooting for mafia? (i.e Dandel!)


Aside from the OP thing pointed out, when you wrote this, what were you thinking the motivation was for Dandel to claim scum? Like, he doesn't do it unless it helps his team in some way. Really the only way it helps his team is if there is an SK, no?


There is like no upside to losing a mafia member that I can think of. He basically claimed mafia when he laughed at BH flipping town; SK could have shot at Dandel there and then (and should have *shakes fist*). At which point the game would still absolutely be in town's hands


This is exactly what I mean. It only takes a little critical thinking to see that the only way Dandel's play makes sense is for there to be an SK...but instead you ruminate about there being no SK and 2 mafia kp? It's like you didn't really consider it critically at all. You so scummy marv <3


Dandel's play doesn't make sense if there's an SK either you idiot
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