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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 19 2013 23:49 GMT
#1378
Ebwop GK, not JK, damn Swype
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2013 00:40 GMT
#1381
On May 20 2013 09:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
because noone was here telling what to do other than me. where were you?

I never am active on weekends. Sucks but it happens every game.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2013 03:46 GMT
#1426
Someone asked for my thoughts on Dandel so now that I've got a break at work this is what I'm seeing:

Trolling at the start isn't really indicative (iirc he did this in MtG2 but his hydra partner (iamp) was so clearly town it didn't matter much). Not 100% on that but I'm pretty sure that's how it went down d1. I can check that in the morning before day post.

That post against Marv about his trolling felt town at first glance, but when I think of it in retrospect it really is the most obvious thing to say, town or scum. I'm still leaning really slightly town on it simply because he's going up against Marv d1, which if he's scum is probably a poor move because Marv always has a really strong thread presence.

He ignores Iamp's questions and only responds to Marv, but according to him he was only on p10. If that's true, null.

His post on my meta I actually kinda liked for its honesty. Like he said, if you wanted to make me seem lynchable point out a good town game and compare it to that.

My issue here, and its fairly major, is if he's aware of that and that my overall meta is like I'm playing, why was he trying to lynch me? If he wasn't(way more likely) then he had done nothing through this point.

Next post: he actually has some stances although they're town reads. Sheeps the case on JJD, which he had already claimed he was a fan of, but his case on GK is what worries me here. Being the subject of GKs post, I actually felt he raised valid points since he didn't get my joke/it wad ambiguous that I was joking to DP while also correcting that I have no scum meta. I wouldn't have described that as a serious misrepresentation of my post, just a misunderstanding (I am still interested in lynching GK but nothing to do with that post).

To this point, he's still barely taken a stance and arguably did the same type of misrepresentation he's accusing GK of.

Next thing that seemed really odd was his post about Sputnik possibly using a really similar opening to his own in an off-site game. Not conclusive at all, but it makes me wonder why he would bring that up unless he knew something about Sputniks alignment considering he was playing near textbook scum and didn't ever actually push his lynch.

Moving forward he asks questions but still avoids taking real stances. Even his vote on GK is off of a "slip" and not his overall scummy play. I need to get this post out quick so basically I think he's a strong scum possibility but there are others who I'd prefer because I know if he is town he can bring much more and there are people I think are more likely.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2013 03:48 GMT
#1427
Sorry for the wall of text, that took hours of writing while I was at work in between doing things.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2013 17:57 GMT
#1670
On May 20 2013 22:18 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 12:46 Stutters695 wrote:
Someone asked for my thoughts on Dandel so now that I've got a break at work this is what I'm seeing:

Trolling at the start isn't really indicative (iirc he did this in MtG2 but his hydra partner (iamp) was so clearly town it didn't matter much). Not 100% on that but I'm pretty sure that's how it went down d1. I can check that in the morning before day post.

That post against Marv about his trolling felt town at first glance, but when I think of it in retrospect it really is the most obvious thing to say, town or scum. I'm still leaning really slightly town on it simply because he's going up against Marv d1, which if he's scum is probably a poor move because Marv always has a really strong thread presence.

He ignores Iamp's questions and only responds to Marv, but according to him he was only on p10. If that's true, null.

His post on my meta I actually kinda liked for its honesty. Like he said, if you wanted to make me seem lynchable point out a good town game and compare it to that.

My issue here, and its fairly major, is if he's aware of that and that my overall meta is like I'm playing, why was he trying to lynch me? If he wasn't(way more likely) then he had done nothing through this point.

Next post: he actually has some stances although they're town reads. Sheeps the case on JJD, which he had already claimed he was a fan of, but his case on GK is what worries me here. Being the subject of GKs post, I actually felt he raised valid points since he didn't get my joke/it wad ambiguous that I was joking to DP while also correcting that I have no scum meta. I wouldn't have described that as a serious misrepresentation of my post, just a misunderstanding (I am still interested in lynching GK but nothing to do with that post).

To this point, he's still barely taken a stance and arguably did the same type of misrepresentation he's accusing GK of.

Next thing that seemed really odd was his post about Sputnik possibly using a really similar opening to his own in an off-site game. Not conclusive at all, but it makes me wonder why he would bring that up unless he knew something about Sputniks alignment considering he was playing near textbook scum and didn't ever actually push his lynch.

Moving forward he asks questions but still avoids taking real stances. Even his vote on GK is off of a "slip" and not his overall scummy play. I need to get this post out quick so basically I think he's a strong scum possibility but there are others who I'd prefer because I know if he is town he can bring much more and there are people I think are more likely.

i didnt play in mtg.....

and who are the "others" you think dear

Haha, sorry. I've got a terrible memory with names.

Unrelated, but seeing you say dear really made me think you were Marv before I scrolled up and saw your name.

I'm going to be typing up another post of that nature soon but without having filtered recently I'm really thinking JJD/GK as my top choices. I need to check BH too, but where I'm skeptical is of this being a scumslip. If he was scum I would expect him to be more calculating.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2013 18:00 GMT
#1671
On May 21 2013 02:00 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 21 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote:
I mean, if Dandel were town, wouldn't you expect him to be playing differently? Doesn't Dandel usually have strong opinions as town? I'm not saying he never sheeps, but doesn't it seems off to you that he's been playing "follow the Marv" the whole game?


Do you think he's been playing "follow the marv"? He had GK as a scumread when I never did, and I had vague suspicions of JJD, but his were significantly more explained than mine ever were (which were general meta activity).

How did Dandel make his scumreads in British 2? I would say he's explained his scumreads here quite a bit more than he did there.


Read his GK scumread/my post on Dandel. What is he actually justifying it on? I'll have to check British 2, but he hasn't been explaining his scumreads very well at all.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2013 20:15 GMT
#1702
Marv, although you're an obvious prot target, can we still expect your opinion of BH because of the mason QT before the flip?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2013 21:27 GMT
#1726
So I think that's the nail in the coffin for BH.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2013 21:27 GMT
#1727
More importantly, what do you make of these NKs Vayne?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2013 22:55 GMT
#1748
Vayne can you elaborate on why a list makes him less scummy to you? Thanks.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2013 23:03 GMT
#1750
On May 21 2013 07:54 Blazinghand wrote:
So we don't have a claim for that 2nd shot, do we? Means there's a 3p in the game, and I've been counterclaimed, so nobody's going to listen to me until I flip. I'll just do what I can to write a good case then so after I flip there's something for you guys to work off of.

Still potential mafia vig, unclaimed town vig(unlikely with the targets chosen) but we'll know for sure with the next night. There are a couple people who haven't popped in yet post day post so we'll see.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2013 23:17 GMT
#1757
Marv, what are the odds of BH being a town mason in your opinion?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 00:23 GMT
#1785
S0l that's irrelevant if I'm understanding you correctly because he's saying he wasn't playing to his town meta by voting me instead of starting with a conversation and then voting once he heard my reasoning. Checking his PM has no affect on that.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 00:24 GMT
#1786
On May 21 2013 09:18 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 08:34 marvellosity wrote:

I would say town vigis usually shoot on night 1s (even though they shouldn't in minis especially, they should wait). I rolled vigi 3 times, shot twice first night and once 2nd night. Then again I don't expect to live to use my shot.


In my last game I was vig but I wasn't allowed to shoot till n2. Is that just for newbie games or is it just up to the host?

Completely dependant on setup. We won't know until a vig flips/post game if there is no vig.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 00:26 GMT
#1789
On May 21 2013 09:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 21 2013 09:07 s0Lstice wrote:
also, Marv

I'd like to hear about this some more:

It's players like s0lstice we need to keep our eyes on.

from the QT with iamp. What exactly is your read on me?

I'd be interested to hear this too. And actually solstice your other post reminds me, where the FUCK is Dandel?
##Vote: Dandel Ion

I am aware I have other scumreads to push today but Dandel seems a good one as any to begin with; I can't simply go on marv's read of him alone. Dandel if you want to live through the day, fucking talk to me.

So what makes you vote DI over BH. Do you not feel BH is nearly confirmed scum after finding out iamp is a mason?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 04:36 GMT
#1817
On May 21 2013 12:00 yamato77 wrote:
I have to seriously think about what the Rayn kill means before I do anything today.

So, thoughts?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 06:03 GMT
#1818
Where the fuck is everyone, someone work with me on this.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 06:47 GMT
#1821
Alcohol LOL.

First and foremost, what are your thoughts on BH given what we know now. Seems we definitely have a town RB(since otherwise they would have double stacked you), a town mason, and the claimed (BH) town vig. Do you think that's a plausible setup, do you think BH is lying through his teeth or do you think BH was framed like I remember someone claiming (too drunk to filter dive and find the quote atm).
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 06:50 GMT
#1823
Typo, my fault. I still can't see a single reason to believe you, even in your mason QT you didn't do much, which I'm sure you realized was your best chance at exhonoration(sp?).
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 07:27 GMT
#1829
On May 21 2013 16:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 16:08 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 21 2013 15:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Most of my activity during the night was spent dealing with the "scumslip". Unfortunately, effort and time are limited resources, even for a guy like me-- more time spent doing one thing takes away from my ability to do others.So, I didn't get much done in the QT or even in the thread. It doesn't look good, but that doesn't change things: it is what it is.

And, imo, my activity in the QT is not my best chance to avoid a mislynch. It's my activity in the thread, really.

I'll do my best to write cases and generate valuable information before bed tonight. I doubt I'll be able to avoid getting lynched today, but it's still my duty to leave something behind so that after DP picks his jaw up off the floor he can get something done.


You've been saying that for a while now and haven't produced anything aside from empty promises.

@stutters I am convinced Blazinghand is scum. I think the scum slip was genuine and his interactions were telling of a scum mindset. I have gone over this a lot already though.


Yeah I'd say about 18 hours at this point. I spent most of last night thoroughly refuting your jubjubbery but i realize now it's not an optimal use of my time.


Didn't you acknowledge in the mason qt though that your tor would be better spent not refuting DPs attack on the "slip" yet you're still using that as your main line of defense. What's going on?

On that note, I'm going to pass out, goodnight team.
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