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On May 18 2013 12:24 s0Lstice wrote:
DP, since you're here, and I'm catching up with you...do you know off-hand which games contain similar Marv meltdowns as we saw today?
I know Personality was brought up...LVIII I think (where he was modkilled), and mebbe Rockband?
The game in which he was modkilled is a good one. Though not an insignificant time investment to read. Shit like that (raging) is basically super easy to fake though and marv is aware of his meta.
I would call it null personally.
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On May 18 2013 10:22 grush57 wrote:
whoa whoa guys, just because I didn't claim starsenses doesn't mean I'm scum. While it will always be true that when I claim starsenses I will be town, I don't want it to be a 100% meta thing so I'm screwed when i get mafia. I am just gonna claim it when necessary or when I need to to survive from now on, so I don't get botched as scum.
Lynch dis man for justice!
##vote: Grush57
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On May 18 2013 11:26 iamperfection wrote:
i guess we have to treat you as town.
I implore you to drop the starsenses after this game make a thread dedicated to you shedding it once and for all
NO. HIs STARSENSES was basically dragged out of him kicking and screaming. Guy is scum. If he was town he would have said it straight up LIKE EVERY TOWN GAME OF HIS FOR ALL TIME.
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On May 18 2013 11:59 goodkarma wrote:Can you explain to me how voting Jarjar is anything other than a lurker vote? The one odd thing about his filter is that even though he was lurky in his last newbie game too, he had more content by now than he does here. It's possible that he might fit the profile of a newbie scum too scared to post, but I don't see anything specifically scummy in what little he has posted... In other words, I'd rather focus on people who have at least a little content in their filter to analyze than gun for total lurkers right now. But if he continues to behave as he has closer to the deadline, his lurking may be a scumtell.
I think a lot of it can also have to do with graduating into the big wide world of Normals. Takes some time adjusting to all the 'vets' posting about previous games and all the undertones in the byplay as we have all played with each other so much.
I'd be happiest to wait and see.
Also. Stutters is probably town. And to correct those who said he is useless lurker as town. That is not entirely true. Stutters can be very useful on those rare occasions that he does post. The trick is to just wait and read those few insights that he does provide.
I would begin to worry about stutters if he was 100% completely useless. Because normally he is 90% completely useless.
Also. @ blazinghand. It is wrong to view stutters as Kush, Kush can say profoundly retarded things. Stutters doesn't, he just lurks.
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On May 18 2013 12:46 s0Lstice wrote:
call me cray cray DP but I really think grush is town. get on goodkarma with me
Nah. Goodkarma is someone I'm confident in my ability to read. If he is town he is too valuable to lynch day one. If he is scum then it will be obvious later.
Sorry. This is like a meta thing. But goodkarma and I have a history.
AS to your case. it was pretty average. Like what you said made sense, but it didn't really convince me of GK's alignment either way.
That being said. You should check Grush's meta from like every town game of his ever. He always says STARSENSES early as town and unprompted. This game he didn't and it was dragged out of him. Furthermore his explanation that he will only use it to save himself as town from now on is fallacious as everyone will wagon him until he says it regardless.
literally grush's only saving grace was the fact that he told the thread his alignment each game. This game he didn't say he was town until he was forced to. And he didn't like it.
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On May 18 2013 12:50 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 12:43 DarthPunk wrote:On May 18 2013 11:26 iamperfection wrote:
i guess we have to treat you as town.
I implore you to drop the starsenses after this game make a thread dedicated to you shedding it once and for all NO. HIs STARSENSES was basically dragged out of him kicking and screaming. Guy is scum. If he was town he would have said it straight up LIKE EVERY TOWN GAME OF HIS FOR ALL TIME. he only had 2 votes on him you don't think he would drag it out a lot more as scum?
Yes. I think he did drag it out a lot more. More than every town game of his I have ever seen. he was under duress. It became meaningless as a tell at that point. If he was town he would have said it straight up like always. If he was really not going to use it he would have said something before the game began. I am sure he is aware of how people read him.
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Oh, just as an aside, if WoS thinks he can read me with meta he is wrong like everyone else.
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On May 18 2013 13:01 s0Lstice wrote:
go look at SSB64, DP
he (grush) didn't do it there. just like in that game, the way I eventually thought of him as town is that our reads were more or less lining up
Can you link me the game? I can't find it.
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Hmm that game was a long time ago. In recent memory he has always said starsenses.
##unvote
Can't make a case solely on meta if the meta doesn't hold up.
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Not much really. I could lynch a lurker or Sputnik maybe for being weird but I don't really feel that great about either of those.
If GK was off the table who would you look at next?
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On May 18 2013 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Man I fucking hate you guys. Nothing but crazy activity when I can't be at my computer...sigh. Alright looking at GK atm. Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:13 goodkarma wrote:
It's worth noting that Vayne proposed a no lynch as town in his last newbie game that just finished up. He also hesitated to give reads that game too... I don't feel he's a good lynch right now since his play (though bad) is consistent with what I've seen him do as town before. First one to jump up and defend VA. I'm not really sure what this amounts to; it certainly looked as though the VA wagon was getting rolling pretty fast and I think here was where it started getting turned around. VA's activity certainly did get better as the thread of lynch dropped off...suspiciously looks almost as though GK in scum QT to VA told him to calm the fuck down and do something useful or some shit while he helped get his neck out the noose? I dunno, #Wave'sconspiracytheories but I'm getting this shit out there. The grush vote is dumb, he waffles on stutters pretty quick but he shares my attitude regarding JJD: looks scummy but don't want to vote just yet. Looking at solstice's case on him: He picks up the waffling and gives it a little more weight than I do, clearly. I do like solstice's case but it doesn't feel like enough for me to change my vote atm. I'm leaning scum on GK as a result but not obvscum like sputnik is right now. The fact that he still hasn't returned and done anything makes me feel better about my vote choice the longer it goes on. Solstice: why do you feel better about voting GK than sputnik right now?
You scum bro?
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He is not guaranteed town. But I was voting him based on lack of Starsenses. Then s0lstice linked me a town game in which he doesn't say Starsenses so the meta lynch is kind of broken by that. He is still useless/unreadable. But the point is if we lynch him it is a policy lynch more than anything.
Aside from grush who would you like to lynch today?
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On May 18 2013 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Man I fucking hate you guys. Nothing but crazy activity when I can't be at my computer...sigh. Alright looking at GK atm. Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:13 goodkarma wrote:
It's worth noting that Vayne proposed a no lynch as town in his last newbie game that just finished up. He also hesitated to give reads that game too... I don't feel he's a good lynch right now since his play (though bad) is consistent with what I've seen him do as town before. First one to jump up and defend VA. I'm not really sure what this amounts to; it certainly looked as though the VA wagon was getting rolling pretty fast and I think here was where it started getting turned around. VA's activity certainly did get better as the thread of lynch dropped off...suspiciously looks almost as though GK in scum QT to VA told him to calm the fuck down and do something useful or some shit while he helped get his neck out the noose? I dunno, #Wave'sconspiracytheories but I'm getting this shit out there. The grush vote is dumb, he waffles on stutters pretty quick but he shares my attitude regarding JJD: looks scummy but don't want to vote just yet. Looking at solstice's case on him: He picks up the waffling and gives it a little more weight than I do, clearly. I do like solstice's case but it doesn't feel like enough for me to change my vote atm. I'm leaning scum on GK as a result but not obvscum like sputnik is right now. The fact that he still hasn't returned and done anything makes me feel better about my vote choice the longer it goes on.Solstice: why do you feel better about voting GK than sputnik right now?
First line Whining about activity. Could be genuine. A lot of times things like that turn out to be scum trying to look more involved than they are.
A LOT of fucking wishy-washy statements in that post. None of the fearlessness I would expect from town. A sense of heightened self awareness/Inherent guilt. Because when you KNOW what you are saying is incorrect often scum players will reveal that through the way they continue to give themselves outs from every position they take. It looks like that is what is happening here.
dissonance when he calls sputnik obvscum and then says he feels better about his vote in the next post, Like if he is obvs scum what is there to feel better about?
Like seriously read that post and almost every time he says something he backs out of it.
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On May 18 2013 15:58 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 15:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 18 2013 15:40 yamato77 wrote:
Sputnik has barely posted, not going to jump on lynching him unless he never comes back.
JJD just called out BH for the worst part of his filter, which I find to be a townie insight.
Not thrilled with either lynch. So no GK, no sputnik. no JJD. You planning on coming up with something? I mean, I agree with you on sputnik so far as I expect him to come back and say/do something, but until he does my vote stays on him so I'm treating him scummy until proven otherwise, unlike you, whose method is innocent until proven lurky? I'm not sure I agree with you regarding JJD's recent post because weren't there other people who realized what BH seemed to about VA at the same time? And why is GK not getting lynched today? GK is obviously town. BH's actions around VA were unique, and they are suspicious. I'm still inclined to want to lynch BH so far today, but I want to let this day play out on its own for the most part. You guys have just happened to default to terrible lurker lynches so far so I have to step in and set you straight. Sputnik is scummy-ish. I've seen newish towns play that way before. We'll see what he has to say when he returns, but I'm less in love with lynching him than I am with BH, or with another possible alternative I find tonight. For the record, I'm looking at BH/Marv/DP/Dandel and YOU tonight. If you're all town, I'll be surprised.
Your a brave brave man.
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On May 18 2013 16:03 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 16:01 DarthPunk wrote:On May 18 2013 15:58 yamato77 wrote:On May 18 2013 15:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 18 2013 15:40 yamato77 wrote:
Sputnik has barely posted, not going to jump on lynching him unless he never comes back.
JJD just called out BH for the worst part of his filter, which I find to be a townie insight.
Not thrilled with either lynch. So no GK, no sputnik. no JJD. You planning on coming up with something? I mean, I agree with you on sputnik so far as I expect him to come back and say/do something, but until he does my vote stays on him so I'm treating him scummy until proven otherwise, unlike you, whose method is innocent until proven lurky? I'm not sure I agree with you regarding JJD's recent post because weren't there other people who realized what BH seemed to about VA at the same time? And why is GK not getting lynched today? GK is obviously town. BH's actions around VA were unique, and they are suspicious. I'm still inclined to want to lynch BH so far today, but I want to let this day play out on its own for the most part. You guys have just happened to default to terrible lurker lynches so far so I have to step in and set you straight. Sputnik is scummy-ish. I've seen newish towns play that way before. We'll see what he has to say when he returns, but I'm less in love with lynching him than I am with BH, or with another possible alternative I find tonight. For the record, I'm looking at BH/Marv/DP/Dandel and YOU tonight. If you're all town, I'll be surprised. Your a brave brave man. If I don't get reads on them early, I'll never go back and do it later on in the game. >_>
What do you think about That WoS post?
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On May 18 2013 16:01 yamato77 wrote:
Also rayn. All I can remember from that dude is that he popped in and called me town. When he's town, he's usually more active and at the center of attention.
Eh he wasn't that active early in his last game as town (carnival cruise). Yet another wait and see for me.
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Does anyone know when grush started using STARSENSES?
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OK grush is scum.
Every town game of his since August 2012 he has said starsenses at the beginning of the game and flipped town.
When Confronted on not doing it he says some variation of this.
From LVII
On September 08 2012 07:28 grush57 wrote:
AWWW SHEEEEEEEEEET.
I KNOW WHY TOAD CALLED ME SCUM
I FORGOT
STARSENSES.
From Dessert
On January 14 2013 02:52 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 20:09 Promethelax wrote:
Lol at bugs, I'm scum because I was at work when the game started.
Is there some unspoken rule about us not asking grush to give us his town breadcrumb? Because that is all I want from him right now.
For those of you who haven't played with Kush assume he is similar to chezinu but without either the class or the ability to find scum. He is a troll who will troll all game long but it
Isn't too hard to get a read on. I would like to hear both Hapa and thrawn's opinions of Kush. They know how to read him, as do I.
Super, are you town?
Zentor, can I expect you to be useful This game or should I put you into the troll column?
Jay, what's your read of zentor?
Slopsh, opinions on anyone who doesn't have a million point scrabble name.
You're right, I forgot. STARSENSES
Every. Single. Game. Starsenses at the start.
See for yourselves
August 2012
PTP 3
LVII
October 2012
LVIII
December 2012
Hero Mini
January 2013
Dessert Mini
LIX
February 2013
Fruity Mafia
LX
March 2013
LXI
May 2013
Carnival Cruise
Lynch grush because STARSENSES
##Vote: Grush57
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On May 18 2013 17:02 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 16:47 DarthPunk wrote:OK grush is scum. Every town game of his since August 2012 he has said starsenses at the beginning of the game and flipped town. When Confronted on not doing it he says some variation of this. From LVIIOn September 08 2012 07:28 grush57 wrote:
AWWW SHEEEEEEEEEET.
I KNOW WHY TOAD CALLED ME SCUM
I FORGOT
STARSENSES. From DessertOn January 14 2013 02:52 grush57 wrote:On January 13 2013 20:09 Promethelax wrote:
Lol at bugs, I'm scum because I was at work when the game started.
Is there some unspoken rule about us not asking grush to give us his town breadcrumb? Because that is all I want from him right now.
For those of you who haven't played with Kush assume he is similar to chezinu but without either the class or the ability to find scum. He is a troll who will troll all game long but it
Isn't too hard to get a read on. I would like to hear both Hapa and thrawn's opinions of Kush. They know how to read him, as do I.
Super, are you town?
Zentor, can I expect you to be useful This game or should I put you into the troll column?
Jay, what's your read of zentor?
Slopsh, opinions on anyone who doesn't have a million point scrabble name.
You're right, I forgot. STARSENSES Every. Single. Game. Starsenses at the start. See for yourselves August 2012 PTP 3 LVIIOctober 2012LVIIIDecember 2012Hero MiniJanuary 2013Dessert MiniLIXFebruary 2013Fruity MafiaLXMarch 2013LXIMay 2013Carnival CruiseLynch grush because STARSENSES
##Vote: Grush57 I don't feel good about lynching grush just because of STSRSENSES. Would he really ruin all of his future town games just to survive past day 1 in this game? Idk. He is objectively scummy, as per his insistence on voting Vayne despite thread sentiment, and his obviously bad OMGUS vote. I have very mixed feelings about grush.
If he refused to say it he would be insta lynched. He really didn't want to say it regardless it was dragged out of him. Unlike the other games where he just says he forgot.
Furthermore. Why would he care now about his future mafia games now when he hasn;t for the past 10 months?
This is like the most basic meta case you can find. If someone does something exactly the same as town and then doesn't, you fucking lynch them.
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