[M][N] Les Mafia - Page 14

On May 28 2013 15:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

The first questions you answer had better be the ones you ignored.
DP I am not sold on a Solstice lynch but the thought of both solstice and GK jumping on as they did without proper reasoning has me uneasy.
My vote remains for now.

On May 28 2013 17:48 marvellosity wrote:
DP you've become less active recently, even given an internet shortage.

What's your stab at a mafia team and/or SK? I'm assuming it has to include someone you previously assumed to be town, so I'd like to know.

On May 28 2013 18:59 marvellosity wrote:
Other than the fact that town can lynch correctly every day and still most likely lose you mean? ^_^

On May 29 2013 00:10 marvellosity wrote:
Given s0lstice may or may not be here, my general problem is this.

s0lstice apparently has me as the highest chance of anyone to flip mafia. I'm his top scumread despite the 3 players in the game who have played with me 10-15+ games each (BH, iamp, DP) declaring me *certain* town. Not "marv probably town" but god-damn town.

This is in contrast to s0lstice's read on DP which is strongly town. What's the genuine difference between me and DP? We both wanted to kill sputnik day 1, and BH day 2, and Dandel day 3; further I've been significantly more active than DP, and DP's interest has self-admittedly been waning recently.

Not only this, but from s0lstice's pespective, in what is basically lylo, DP is voting s0lstice on a not-very-fleshed-out case. Shouldn't it be ringing alarm bells for s0lstice that on day 4 DP is voting him for apparently not very much? He doesn't seem to be very worried about it. If I were a townie, this would be setting off pretty loud alarm bells in my head, no? Yet there seems to be no suspicion. Why??

On May 29 2013 00:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fuck so much posting in here now can't catch up on phone.
Gotta go for a bit but ill def be at a comp before lynch at some point.
All of yall stick around, the zero acctivity days when I actually was around didn't help

On May 29 2013 00:31 s0Lstice wrote:


In response--

1) This would be my first scum game, have you considered that? There shouldn't be any correlation to me not inducing strong feelings in you and me being scum. I should be scum to you for doing scummy things. This point makes no sense.

2) There's been many points this game where I've had to re-address scum reads, and a fair number of times where I was speaking from the standpoint of needing a refresh on filters and didn't have any sure idea on who was scum. At least not enough to call anybody out in thread. I talked about the numbers because, to me, it was important to figuring out what the hell Dandel was doing. They are also important to figuring out who the SK should/shouldn't be killing. This is relevant information. Arguing with Marv was a product of me trying to understand, mostly getting it, but screwing up a few key things. Why it devolved into an argument, I'm not really sure. Marv and I are just combustible I guess. The point though is that I got to where I wanted to be in my understanding, and stopped.

3) You said yourself earlier when I called you scum that our reads being different is not an adequate reason to be calling someone scum. Which is it?

4) Calling you scum and retracting it is something I already explained. Short version: I was pissed at you for constantly asserting Marv is town with no reason behind it. At the time of writing that post, it seemed super destructive because I was frustrated at all that has gone wrong, and it struck me as awful that you'd still be giving free passes when town clearly has no fucking idea what is going on. I was also thinking Marv was scum at that point, so it was particularly abrasive.

5) This is a legit point. I'm on the hook to prove why Marv is scum, and I haven't yet. This one can be corrected though when I have the time to write a proper case.

On May 18 2013 13:27 s0Lstice wrote:
It'd be sputnik, and I'd feel ok about it.

What you were saying about Marv and his descent from rage was compelling though. Something caught my eye while reading the whole Marv/Dandel exchange



the apology....as Marv has done this before, I wondered if he ever has apologized for it. If he has done this before but never really showed any sign of guilt, then that is something. I've been digging through personality to see. Need to look at his scum games as well, its a fat wad of meta to get through. Still though, food for thought.

On May 18 2013 14:04 s0Lstice wrote:
All the same...do you know what I would do if I was in Marv's shoes? After all these games, the victories, the early NKs as town, the high win percentage as scum...with that Hapa case floating around out there, and (this is important) people around me itching to lynch me as the game goes on regardless of how I've played because as town I'm so rarely alive late into games..

I might be just fine with artificially tantruming, simply to have something to point to when the inevitable 'why is marv still alive' questions start to pop up.

I'm not saying this is definitely what was going on, but I'm keeping it around to chew on for awhile.

Oh and Marv improves town atmosphere no matter what his alignment is.

On May 19 2013 10:41 s0Lstice wrote:


At the time, I felt there was much more to go on with GK, hence my case. Sputnik had the list, and the purposely evasive RP speak. The VT claim gave me pause though, and it's still kind of mindfucking me. I voted for who I was more sure about

goodkarma

As to your defense, your interpretation of grushs actions is acceptable. With the added explanation, your point on grush holding himself to his own meta in regards to the period of time before he was pressured is a legitimate one. Still stinky though is the timing of the case, and your JarJar lurky post.

I'm catching up while writing this....your posts since then seem pretty town. Enough that I don't want to you kill right now.

marv



You were the topic of conversation at the time. It was an unfinished thought, but I shared it anyway, because it is related to what DP was saying about you, and iamp addressed me directly about it. It means nothing without the meta backing, which, due to my absence, I am not currently fresh on. I stand by saying it though, because its possible that someone who has been closely following your recent games would know off-hand whether you were following a pattern.

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Still waiting to hear from Stutters on what he makes of me attacking one of his scum reads.

Vayne, I really haven't thought much of your suspicions of me, because your reasoning is pretty poor, frankly. I'd prefer it though if your time wasn't wasted on suspecting me, so let's open up a dialogue and become besties. I'm not happy with my scumspecs at the moment and that takes priority, but I'll try to alleviate your concerns after some quality filter time.

Now to the filters...as I said though I'll be checking the thread in the interim and I'm here for awhile.

On May 20 2013 11:51 s0Lstice wrote:


This is important if you think Marv is town.

On May 21 2013 09:33 s0Lstice wrote:


I kinda feel like Marv should have had an opinion on whether he was lying or not, if he was fuming about it.

The quote I just posted implies that Marv thinks posts prior to GKs claim are alignment indicative-->so he therefore must think he is lying-->and therefore should really be telling us to lynch the liar for lying.

On May 21 2013 09:54 s0Lstice wrote:
I'm reading Marv as being entirely too petulant right now. I'm getting to his alignment.

On May 21 2013 10:03 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS, since marv is doing the electronic equivalent of sticking his fingers in his ears and going 'nah nah nah nah can't hear you'...I'll ask you.

Are you following my reasoning here? Making a post painting GK in a bad light that cites posts that come prior to his claim of not reading his role PM requires SOME opinion on whether he checked his role PM. Citing those posts carries with it an assumption that GK was being truthful in his claim.

I'm just not seeing how one could pursue GK without considering it, as it directly affects whether certain of his posts are alignment indicative.

On May 21 2013 11:02 s0Lstice wrote:
I think that may have ended up being a violent agreement.



I see exactly what you are saying Marv, but I was concerning myself with his claim and you weren't. That was the rub.

On May 23 2013 05:45 s0Lstice wrote:
so just for shits and giggles BH...I know we are short on time, but if you flip green, I (we) are going to have to look at everyone again...including Marv.

Just so I have this right:
Sputnik's day 1 lynch is an unlikely scum lynch
did not reveal iamp was a mason when he was masoned with you
picking a fight with you day 1

these are the main points of why marv is town to you?

On May 23 2013 11:18 s0Lstice wrote:
Vayne-- the thing is this. as we lose more and more townies, your vote becomes increasingly important. I had you as town for everything up until the BH flip, and I really don't think a re-read is gonna change that (we'll see). don't be afraid to do what works best for you to catch mafia, but more importantly, listen to/read what others have to say. make this thread your bible. I want to win this game, and I know you want to as well.

Stutters-- did you read Hapa's case on Marv that iamp linked? Marv is an excellent player, and it's not going to fit like a glove every time, but it has a lot of good insights.

On May 23 2013 11:31 s0Lstice wrote:


Ok that's something. I need to look at my past games with him, and all his past games (gulp). I just have this expectation of Marv to be an over-achiever all the time when he's town, and if it's unreasonable, it's unreasonable.

Marv has just been a sort of blind spot for me this game, and I need to correct it.

On May 29 2013 01:01 VayneAuthority wrote:


Yea I think this is they key here to this day. Have to keep an eye on the people that havent voted yet...s0lstice taking his vote off me is so hilariously scummy but I already know why he did it. I wouldn't have a problem lynching either GK or s0lstice because they are both scum. Lets see who they are going to try to bus last second l0l.