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hi guys, I'm back.
This is how today goes: we lynch either Oats or Sloosh. Both of whom are scum. My only point on a town Oats was my early belief that scum had two night hits and his suggestion of a vig for the second hit. Since based on how the NKs worked out (as Sloosh correctly pointed out) there is probably a serial killer and scum only have one NK which means that Oats' townslip was actually a scumslip.
Why is sloosh scum? Well its because he is really easy to read as scum. If you need help because you are bad though look at his play this day: he is SK hunting not scum hunting. An sk lynch is the same as a town lynch for scum, probably even better since the SK needs to be shooting Scum right now as evidenced by the BH shot last night. Having the SK alive assuming that it is indeed an SK (KISS suggests it is) is way more beneficial to town than it is to scum. We get to lynch and Scum need to nk the SK since he is the only non-scum kp in the game (besides the flipped vivax).
SnB: no, there is no reason for me to think you are scum, but I need to call Kush scum to be able to read him and that was my chance to do so.
I said I liked the prp/kush lynch dichotomy earlier but I like it a lot less now. Kush seems really townie in these last few pages his appeals to me to claim serial killer and ally myself with town are a thing he would not suggest as scum.
In case you guys decide to lynch me I'm posting a full reads list with reasons so that you can maaaaybe make this a win for us.
Oatsmaster has played anti-twon the whole game, his activity is pathetic and his interest is minimal. Plus scumslip about n0 nk
SloOsh lurky scum play, focused attack on me trying to pass off sk-hunting as pro town while avoiding scum hunting. Chainsaw defense of bh.
VE less sure than I am on the above but his OO stuff early wasn't right and my meta case from Chrono still holds. VE hasn't added anything to the game that he should as a townie. This is either VE's scumgame or the single worst town game I have ever seen from him.
Shiro he was such an idiot early on that I had him as town, Rayn had a similar read. If we assume Rayn was the scum shot though that might have been to cover Shiro from someone who knew him. I wouldn't lynch him yet but I'm damn sure that I don't want him in lylo if it is at all avoidable.
OO I do like his d2 play. BH's retard push on him for martyring also suggests that he is town. Of the three guys in this null column he is the one I think would have the skill to fool me as scum though. For the moment not really worth calling scum but he'll need to be looked at again as the game goes on.
prp My heuristic with prp early game tells me he is town, his play hasn't done anything for me since that and he certainly could be scum. I find it somewhat unlikely though.
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WoS seriously the towniest mother fucker in the world.
Kush his play today, he is actually interested in killing scum and winning game for town. Asking sk to claim is a very townie thing for kush to do.
[b]Grush I believe in STARSENSES
For the purposes of the above list I treated this game as anti-scum/scum since the SK is on our side for now. I'm not to worried about him as town is so far behind right now (5-4-1) that he is shooting scum for a while and because of that scum HAVE to shoot him or push through a lynch on him. I say we lynch scum today and make scum waste their kp on sk so we can win this game.
##Vote: Oatsmaster you are all welcome to sheep me now.
If scum seriously think I am the sk it probably means they shot me last night and I was protected from their nk, that would explain the retard push on me today. I'll probably get hit next night since they are so sure I'm sk so after I flip remember this post and come back and read it. I'd like you all to pull out the win for us kthx.
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hurr durps
SnB I like his play a lot and his all game tunnel of Oats seems good. I'm also pretty sure scum will have to night kill him eventually because along with me and prp he is one of the few players who I'm not sure are scum who have the skill to win the game on their own for town. He maaaaaaay have been master bussing Oats but I don't think so. Towniest of my nulls.
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My addition is terrible currently it looks like 6-4-1 not 5-4-1. Hur fucking dur. Counting hard.
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On May 21 2013 02:47 kushm4sta wrote:
prome what do you mean they shot you and you were protected?
any indication of that happening via pm? you think you were jked or what?
I wasn't informed of anything so I was not JK'd. But the bum rush at me as SK from scum today suggests to me that scum shot me last night and seeing me not die went all out today. I have no proof of this but basic analysis suggest that this was the case.
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Is no one here? I don't have a tonne of free time and I'd like to use it to get us into a winning position.
If anyone is around sound off.
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because look at how today played out. Three guys who are scum (Oats, Sloosh and VE) went full on bum rushing at me. Clearly scum didn't shoot bh so that kill came from 3p, night kill power is the only thing which threatens scum right now so they are attacking the player they think has kill power. Since the scum nk disappeared they would think the person they shot is the sk. QED.
Remember earlier when you said I was either brilliant or scum? If you believe that I was good enough to read you like a book assume that I can read thread progression after a scum nk goes missing in a game with a probable sk.
You saying that is like someone from Mafia Scum saying 'why lynch day one when no power roles have gotten any information for us, there is nothing to back up a day one lynch' sure that is technically true but it isn't hard to think it though and figure out who is scum. Or in this case to figure out who was shot.
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Help me out here SnB, what is interesting about that?
Do you disagree with my analysis that scum probably shot me last night?
You still think oats is scummiest? If not who and why?
WoS/kush: you are both still here, I'd like to hear from you on my reads list and your opinions on them since I believe you are both town I'd rather like to have some conversations with you about my null list. I want to find the last scum and after that I'll go looking for sk.
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Why do you all post and vanish. I hate this even more since I'm sure two of you are town and reasonably sure on SnB being town. What do you think you are gaining by not working with me here. Like even if you are going to decide to lynch me in the end at least come here and help me find the last scum so we can maybe win this game despite your (collective) play.
If I'm right about Sloosh/Oats/VE SnB is the only one of your guys to post a case on scum and ksuh did say that sloosh was scum very successfully. Grush has been so useless I forgot he was playing until I went back to the player list to see who i was missing. My towniest reads are some useless fucks.
yes, I am just bitching. deal with it. Come back and talk to me.
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I was the only realistic wagon for the day and we're nearing deadline (unless I'm a day off?) I think its likely I will be lynched today. I can't be assed to put time into screaming "I am town" over and over.
My reads have been all over this game, its true, and that is my own fault. I haven't had the time to put into this game and I haven't been able to get my thoughts as straight as I wanted to. Yes, calling you (SnB) scum was goading kush. Go read hydra: nuke I did a similar thing with goading Kush (though it was simply in calling him scum) since he is the busmaster the only way to call him scum is to call his scumspects scum too.
You are right about the VE push on BH though, fuck. Though scum was super ahead at that point, they knew all three mod kills were town, they knew that they had all their members left alive. I think they'd go for a bit of distancing in case one of them ended up dead (which happened) and who was going to push bh over the edge? me? I'm never here on weekends. You? You are all up in Oats' grill. If VE and Sloosh are both scum there is no townie outside of me and you on a good day who could actually get the sheep in line for a bh lynch.
Focus on me all you want. I haven't played a brilliant game but I think its pretty clear that its my town game.
As to your arguments about keeping sk alive vs lynching him: yes we should lynch sk over town but we need to lynch scum over sk. Our position is pretty crap if we lynch sk 5-4 after scum NK assuming no hero protect. Four lylos in a row seems pretty impossible. I still think keeping him alive is better than lynching him. We can lynch sloosh or Oats for confirmed scum lynch. VE is likely scum as well but we'll have a few days to work it out.
I said this already but I'll say it again. Scum think I am the SK. Scum will shoot me tonight. Don't do their work for them. If we lynch scum they HAVE to shoot me if they think I'm the SK. I'll be dead and it'll be fine, the sk will still be shooting sccum and we'll lynch scum instead of me and for your peace of mind I'll still be dead and flippy flipped.
oats is scum. I know him quite well. we talk a lot. As I said earlier I can't read him on meta anymore (RED team's prize proved this beyond a doubt) but I think his play here is super scummy as I said early on the only thing puttin ghim in my town column was his 'townslip' since it seems pretty clear that there is an sk and scum has only one kp that was instead a scumslip. His town play is characterized by insistent questioning, attempts to buddy, sheeping and playfulness. This game doesn't have the playfulness I'd expect from a town Oats, his interest in this game has dipped well below town levels, his activity is slipping which it doesn't do until endgame in his town games. I like his lynch, I think he is scum. I would also be willing to lynch sloosh who has NOT scum hunted this entire game. No one else is a candidate for me today.
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On May 21 2013 03:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Prom your list seems off to me. First of all, you're sure of Oats despite what I said about the voting patterns? It may be one of the only things he has going for him but it's pretty strong imo. I also don't see how you can call his interest minimal.
Second, you're sure about Kush? Simply the fact that I want to lynch him less this game now that he's doing shit makes me almost want to lynch him MORE, in that it's not very kush-like.
lol I missed this, sorry WoS.
I'm pretty damn sure about Kush yes. If he is scum wait for a few more flips, if he is right about a lot kill him.
As to Oats I do not think the voting patterns show a townie Oats, there is something going on with the votesteal but I still think it likely that Oats is scum. Sure the vote was stolen and put on a townie but why steal Oats' vote? Why wasn't Oats curious about his vote being stolen? Why wasn't OO lynched by scum? A lot of questions. A lot less questions if Oats is scum.
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I don't see it as all that unlikely. You have never played scum but that level of awareness of four other players is pretty unlikely. If both players felt you were an easy mislynch and were interested in it separately them being the first two voters isn't all that bad. Oats is a sheep voter that is his town meta. He needs to follow someone's vote and BH is one of the better names to follow in this player list (Kita/VE/BH and maybe Me/SnB/SloOsh with outside chances on DP/Rayn depending on personal opinion are really the only sheepable players).
I look forward to your ability to engage in big paragraphs. But they aren't necessary. Your thoughts are all I need.
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Okay so you want to lynch me.
Help me find the last scum before you kill me so that we can pull off this win (assuming sk is nice enough to kill scum for us tonight).
if you are going to lynch me all I ask is that you work with me to find scum. I don't see why you are so reluctant to do so.
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Okay Grush, WoS, SnB and Kush are all around.
I'd like you all in here so we can find scum. I'm rereading filters. If any of you quickhammer me I'll find and murder you irl. If you still want to lynch me at deadline go for it. But help me use this day productively to find scum.
I'm out for a while. When I come back I'm going to work through VE to confirm my read (hopefully) and SnB to put him solidly in one camp or the other. My next priority will be OO. Feel free to go read those players and make your own conclusions, you should keep your thoughts to yourself until I come back. See if I see in them what you see when I post my reads on them. See if I am sharing your mindset, that is your best bet on seeing if you think I am town or scum or sk or what.
I seriously don't understand SnB's suggestion that I am sk and should be lynched today. That suggests he wants a 5-4 come day time which is just bad. SK has to be shooting for scum tonight. SnB suggests that SK might want to just shoot town and handle scum. If that is true we go into d3 either at 3-4-1 or 4-3-1 (depending on where the lynch lands). Neither of those are advantageous to SK as far as I can tell since in the first scum could all vote for whoever they want and town could not contest it. In the second SK would be in a better position if it was 5-2-1 since he can be assured of scum shooting townies (or shooting him). I've been trying to work this out since a lot of my scum reads are precluded on the idea that lynching SK is anti-town today. I'm pretty sure lynching SK is anti-town though and that we need to lynch scum today.
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On May 27 2013 05:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
I want to explain my BH push when I get to a computer. Anyone familiar with my play should be able to see I never had any intension of getting him lynched. It was strictly a PR move and as Ace will tell you, a fairly transparent one.
I thought so.
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But it made VE look even scummier than VE had been early on because VE did not give a flying fuck about BH getting lynched. And also because VE isn't fucking awful and clearly saw how scum BH was so him not pushing that lynch meant that VE was a million percent confirmed scum.
I realize I was the only player left who saw that but I really think OO, with his intimate knowledge of you VE, should have been able to discern that and assuming he wouldn't recognize it was quite a gamble. Though one that, in the end, payed off.
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It worked. Somehow. I'm not sure how he didn't have you as scum after your weak pile on to his day one wagon.
It's funny, I feel really good about my reads this game (besides the Kush one, but more power to him. I've never seen him give so many fucks as town) and think that if I had been town i would have been a top priority night kill and would have lynched a few scum. Playing as sk is really different though, I've never had to try so hard to NOT look townie. There were times I'd leave the thread for pages and pages so people would forget their town reads on me and I pushed stuff I thought was dumb to try to convince mafia I was no threat (like the DP thing, holy fuck was he obviously town).
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So I finally got around to reading the scum qt.
VE is one smart cookie, he new I was setting a trap and wasn't reading him as town. He was just wrong about the target of my trap. I'd had VE as scum from d1 and wanted to confirm bh as scum to myself, when VE pushed him the way he did it became very clear that VE had no desire to see him die. If it had been up to me VE would have been the d2 lynch since he was the most obvious of the scum. I was deeply confused how Kush and OO had him as town in the endgame.
It was sad finally being the guy who caught all of the scums and not being town so no one went to look at my posts and kill the scum. I will however find eternal joy from this game since Marv and I disagreed on shiro's alignment when we were talking after my lynch and I was right.
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Well no, they wouldn't have. Not with this town.
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