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On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.
I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.
This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.
Vivax, this is WoS's reasoning for killing DP. He was one of two players who suggested a reason to kill DP immediately after the day post.
Chaoser, you were asking about why it mattered to me that Oats called the DP shot a vig shit. I am working off the assumption that both night kills were scum directed and Oats' post felt genuine, if I believe that his first assumption was that DP had been vigged that precludes the possibility of Oats scum. Oats' play aside from that is quite possibly scum play but as I have recenly taken a hit to my confidence when it comes to reading Oats I'll stick with the town tell and put him on the townie side of null.
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So prp, do you have any scum reads? Or anything you are interested in besides DP's claim? I'm not seeing anything in your filter.
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Just because of his early vote and disinterest? Can you make a compelling case with that meta proven?
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who are your top three scum prp?
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I don't like sheep though. I'd prefer he has reads of his own and vote for himself. If he just want to suck up to me I get it, I'm pretty awesome but I can't read him if he spends the whole game with my balls in his mouth.
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well yeah, good townies don't use teeth.
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blah, this inactivity bores me.
prp, you vanished. I want more from you. Why do you think WoS is town? Who do you think is scum besides Hiro?
Vivax, look into Oats for me. I'm curious what you think of him and SnB refuses to do anything but talk about him. Its time oats was a focus of conversation since he is one of the guys with some votes on him.
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VE, when you get back I'll talk about Vayne with you. I don't see him as a good lynch today though; reasoning is involved with the ongoing newbie game though and I'd rather not say it until that game is over. Vayne would do well to remember not to talk about that game too.
Kinda convoluted I know but suffice it to say I have reasonable reason to think he is town and I can't say it. Either you trust/believe me or you don't.
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what association reads WoS? You aren't helping yourself by being vague. Point out where there are association reads and why they are wrong if you can, where I'm sitting you look really happy to attack a strawman.
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Okay, WoS, this is what I want you to do. Go reread the thread the whole way through. When you come back give me a new scumspect with new reasoning. Show me your thought process in detail. If you really are town take this as a chance to prove it instead of bitching about people thinking you are scum.
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On May 14 2013 20:29 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.
I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.
This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo. Vivax, this is WoS's reasoning for killing DP. He was one of two players who suggested a reason to kill DP immediately after the day post. Chaoser, you were asking about why it mattered to me that Oats called the DP shot a vig shit. I am working off the assumption that both night kills were scum directed and Oats' post felt genuine, if I believe that his first assumption was that DP had been vigged that precludes the possibility of Oats scum. Oats' play aside from that is quite possibly scum play but as I have recenly taken a hit to my confidence when it comes to reading Oats I'll stick with the town tell and put him on the townie side of null.
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On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that.
I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end.
This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo.
Well WoS thinks that scum have to assume that townies are town. Don't discount the logic.
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Oats, come back and play. Who is scum (not WoS)? Why is that person scum?
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Yeah WoS was made out of town in that game. I think though that the dissonance we're seeing comes from no longer being a newbie. When you think of yourself as bad and offer yourself up to die its one thing but WoS has been around long enough to get an ego about mafia. We all do eventually. That ego explains a lot...
I don't see WoS being scum based on that. Actually its a point more towards the town side of things as I can understand his play if I assume he has gained the ego of bh in the last few months. If WoS is being an egotistical maniac his angry play makes a lot of sense. Look at recent Yamato rage or something similar. This is starting to read as the reaction of someone who thinks they are better than those accusing them simply because those people are accusing them.
WoS you hostile little fuck, I think you might be town. Work with me if you are so that I can be sure of that. Stop fighting for the sake of fighting and look for scum. If you think Oats is scum convince me. Or if its someone else convince me.
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On May 15 2013 00:16 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 00:14 Promethelax wrote:
Oats, come back and play. Who is scum (not WoS)? Why is that person scum? Im lazy. dont want to play. At the moment though, ummm VE totes scum cause he hasnt posted a shitton. Rayn too Im suspicious of. Everyone else that has more than 2 pages of filter is town for now.
Dude, you aren't doing anything. What the fuck is this?
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okay so give me your totally correct gut reads on every player. One sentence reason for each.
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lol, I don't like people fucking off in my town.
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I believe that both night kills were from scum (a game this size having less than 2 kp for scum would be really odd unless a lot of it is conditional or something) since I believe that and Oats' post felt like genuine shock that a vig would hit DP I think it is what we call in the business a 'townslip'
Basically a scum seeing those flips we think: oh good, our shots went through. A townie could think: jesus why did another townie shoot my town read who people were talking about shooting. A scum would never think: oh god that would have been such a bad vig shot, the scum knows it was a scum shot.
I don't really know if I can make this any clearer but the above is my reasoning for thinking Oats is town. It made more sense before he continued to be scummy and not act the way I expect a town Oats to act. I'm still leaning on the town side of null for Oats because of the above but I'm not as sure as I was.
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Kush, oh Kush, what do you think about people who aren't WoS? What looks like panicing from WoS? Why does panicing make someone scummy?
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Because I have my vote on OO and based on his lurking I rather like staying it there. Where votes are when we are so far from lynching doesn't matter, we're not near deadline we're not near L-1 on anyone my vote could be on Tommy The Fireman and it wouldn't matter. All anyone I'm pressuring needs to know is that I am willing to lynch them and have the sway with this town to do so. My vote can be anywhere and it doesn't matter to the pressure, note how you've felt pressure without my vote on you?
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