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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 05 2013 18:09 GMT
#213
@Vayne, just tell us why you vote Targe? Targe's posting doesn't seem particularly bad. At this point, Targe isn't even going to be lynched...in that case, will you tell us tomorrow? Or just hold it forever? In the end you should TELL US TODAY, otherwise I'm definitely saying you are scum.

If Targe is scum, then I don't see why wouldn't you just make a case and show us. Vayne, your play just doesn't make sense.

I actually have a couple of concerns about Targe's play too, so if you give us the analysis then that would be great.
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 05 2013 18:10 GMT
#214
On May 06 2013 03:04 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 03:00 nobodywonder wrote:
@ spicydinosaur

why didn't you vote for shirokami? why vote for flowcaster?

On May 05 2013 11:50 Spicydinosaur wrote:
shirokami is troubling me greatly. Aside from the lack of content in his posts, the only things the posts say are that he is postponing his analysis/discussion.

On May 04 2013 21:25 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.

So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game.

Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some.


On May 05 2013 06:44 shirokami wrote:
Yo yo.

So I have been reading filters (god I love this filter thing) and I have some opinions but I will contribute more in about 19hours when I get back to my key and mouseboard.

I don't want to say something now because I want to tell you why and my nexus 4 is only good for reading, not writing.

Keep the text flowing so we get a good D1 and enough to lynch scum.



He claims his phone is only good for writing, yet his punctuation doesn't that bad. This feels like it comes off as a stall tactic which is not helpful at all. Even if it might be difficult to type, he should have at least posted something beneficial. Perhaps when his "analysis" comes, my mind will change, but for now, he's close to the top of my list.




On May 06 2013 02:22 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline.



I'm going to be changing my vote from flowmaster, he hasn't posted once so is going to be modkilled and replaced.


why jarjar? explain.
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 05 2013 20:26 GMT
#231
On May 06 2013 05:05 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 03:09 nobodywonder wrote:
@Vayne, just tell us why you vote Targe? Targe's posting doesn't seem particularly bad. At this point, Targe isn't even going to be lynched...in that case, will you tell us tomorrow? Or just hold it forever? In the end you should TELL US TODAY, otherwise I'm definitely saying you are scum.

If Targe is scum, then I don't see why wouldn't you just make a case and show us. Vayne, your play just doesn't make sense.

I actually have a couple of concerns about Targe's play too, so if you give us the analysis then that would be great.


shrug, just some brief pickups from him being too agreeable and deciding early on whether people are acting "scummy" or not. Also his push for lynching lurkers is something mafia tend to do early to gain an early foothold and town usually goes along with it, a common rookie mistake. I would rather just no lynch this day as theres almost nothing to go off of, but if I have to vote for now its going to be him

Not going to reveal the second part of my analysis just yet because I would like to see where this first lynching goes before I divulge any more of how I think because it could change the mafia playstyle.


Wow, are you serious considering about a no-lynch? How is that going to help town? How would you get your logic deductions if there's nothing to go on?

Are you serious about not revealing the second part of the analysis? I don't see why you don't. Sigh I know I'm berating the same things over and over again, but I am just annoyed by your play. You seem scummy, but I have a feeling you are just a slightly weird town...

@shirokami i like your activity since you're back. keep it up.

As for the metagaming, I don't like jrkirby and Jarjar. In the last game, jrkirby was a great town with good reads, this game he has been very lurky. Also in the last game, Jarjar did the same thing, tunneling a single town. In this game, Jarjar is tunneling jampi, who I have a town read so far in this game.

So since I am not confident about Vayne today, my gut tells me that he may just be a silly town. For today, I think that Jarjar is most suspicious and I'm going to vote him. Honestly I just feel that so many people are scummy. I am looking at basically all of you guys but especially jrkirby, jarjar, sugarfluff.
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 05 2013 20:36 GMT
#232
On May 06 2013 05:05 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 03:09 nobodywonder wrote:
@Vayne, just tell us why you vote Targe? Targe's posting doesn't seem particularly bad. At this point, Targe isn't even going to be lynched...in that case, will you tell us tomorrow? Or just hold it forever? In the end you should TELL US TODAY, otherwise I'm definitely saying you are scum.

If Targe is scum, then I don't see why wouldn't you just make a case and show us. Vayne, your play just doesn't make sense.

I actually have a couple of concerns about Targe's play too, so if you give us the analysis then that would be great.


shrug, just some brief pickups from him being too agreeable and deciding early on whether people are acting "scummy" or not. Also his push for lynching lurkers is something mafia tend to do early to gain an early foothold and town usually goes along with it, a common rookie mistake. I would rather just no lynch this day as theres almost nothing to go off of, but if I have to vote for now its going to be him

Not going to reveal the second part of my analysis just yet because I would like to see where this first lynching goes before I divulge any more of how I think because it could change the mafia playstyle.


From your analysis, I don't see how Targe is quite scum, but rather more like a questionable town with scummy actions. Vayne, you're going to have to work a lot harder today or tomorrow with your analysis if you want to live. Okay, so besides Targe, who is suscipious to you or bothers you?
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 05 2013 20:37 GMT
#234
NOOOO, casey! don't vote Flowcaster, it's the easy way out. This is really scummy.

CHANGE IT NOW... WORK HARDER
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 05 2013 20:39 GMT
#235
as a public service announcement:

DO NOT VOTE FLOWCASTER

if you do you are either a stupid town or scum. neither of which is good. DO NOT DO THIS.

at this point, Flowcaster may be modkilled, or replaced and I do not see the purpose of killing a lurker at this point. What fucking information does it give us? Nothing.

again, do not vote flowcaster. give analysis of the actives or somewhat actives and vote.
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 05 2013 20:42 GMT
#236
casey, I assume you are here. If you try to avoid me now, you are my prime scumread. Unvote now and vote for someone else.

or at least talk to me casey.
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 05 2013 20:55 GMT
#238
ok good, thanks for responding casey. well, why don't you lay down the heat then. poke and prod vayne then, ask him questions and see how they develop and if you like them. don't be passive.

i look forward to reading analysis from you. any analysis is fine. don't worry about how accurate it may be. don't be afraid to be wrong. just get it out and i'll help analyze the ideas and we can discuss.

as for voting
@spicydino change your from flowcaster and vote someone else
@jrkirby vote dammnit
@flowcaster are you alive?
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 05 2013 20:56 GMT
#239
@casey, what do you think about jarjar because right now he is going to be lynched. what do you think about his behavior and his voters?
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 05 2013 21:39 GMT
#243
@calgar at this point, LAL doesnt apply to flowcaster since

On May 06 2013 03:55 kitaman27 wrote:
FloWcaster has been warned for inactivity. They will be replaced at the end of the cycle if they do not reply. 7 hours remain in the cycle.


On May 06 2013 05:37 nobodywonder wrote:
NOOOO, casey! don't vote Flowcaster, it's the easy way out. This is really scummy.

CHANGE IT NOW... WORK HARDER


On May 06 2013 05:39 nobodywonder wrote:
as a public service announcement:

DO NOT VOTE FLOWCASTER

if you do you are either a stupid town or scum. neither of which is good. DO NOT DO THIS.

at this point, Flowcaster may be modkilled, or replaced and I do not see the purpose of killing a lurker at this point. What fucking information does it give us? Nothing.

again, do not vote flowcaster. give analysis of the actives or somewhat actives and vote.

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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 05 2013 21:41 GMT
#244
@calgar, what do you think of the Jarjar lynch? who are your top reads other than sugarfluff?
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 05 2013 21:45 GMT
#245
I am going to off soon, I have a taiko concert to go, so ask my questions or whatever for about 15 minutes and I'll respond asap. I think jarjar is the right choice today and it'll give us good ideas about what to do day 2.

many of you guys are looking very scummy. be more active plz, jrkirby and flowcaster
change your votes, casey and spicy

and dont you dare switch to flowcaster, calgar or try to convince anyone to do so. it is stupid. we are here to kill scum, and we dont always have to follow the rules
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 05 2013 21:45 GMT
#246
EBWOP *ask me questions
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 05 2013 21:55 GMT
#248
@calgar

Jarjar's logic and wording is fine, it makes more sense than others, but I'm concerned about his tunneling of jampi, which I find strange and does fit his meta. The thing is why can't jarjar extend his reasoning to others?

as for vayne, I definitely agree he is very scummy, but for now I'm more inclined to believe he is just a very very weird town. If at any point, his activity decreases or becomes even more scummy, I'd gladly lynch him.
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 05 2013 21:59 GMT
#249
well i gtg, gl town gl gl
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 06 2013 07:47 GMT
#289
Fuck. Bad lynch...well time to analyze the votes...
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 06 2013 08:01 GMT
#290
On May 06 2013 13:30 jampidampi wrote:
jrkirby, can provide more reasons for nobodywonder being scum? Your analysis on him being scum hinges on shirokami and Espi.Casey being scum. Don't associate before the flip.

gtg, please let there be meaninful posts when I come back.


I dont like them either.

jrkirby why am I your top scumread?
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 06 2013 18:34 GMT
#308
@Hydra Hi, good I like your posting so far. Keep it up. What did you think about the outcome of the JarJar lynch? There may be a mafia on it perhaps so I'm very suscipious of casey. I also don't like the last minute random voting between jrkirby and spicydinosaur. that was weird.

On May 07 2013 03:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
Hey!
I'm highly suspicious of Spicydinosaur. His play seems calculated, coasting his vote on the guy who hasn't posted at all for 2/3 of Day 1 so he doesn't have to explain himself much when hopping on a wagon close to deadline.

And the way his vote wound up on flowcaster is also "troubling". See his filter, in posts #3 and #4 he's asking questions which I would interpret as townie but then it's like he doesn't even care about them at all. His # 5 is this:

On May 06 2013 02:22 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Voted for FloWcaster for no postings. Still waiting on a few others analysis to decide if im going to change it. Got a busy day but will hopefully be back in time for deadline.


What happened to his inquiries regarding nobodywonder's reason to vote Vayne.. or shirokami's lack of content and postponing analysis? Does he find them satisfying or scummy or what, he simply votes for pressuring the non-poster instead of pursuing his suspicions, letting people know where he stands.. they must've given him some impression but my hunch is he's not willing to share them because he wants to keep his options of jumping on their wagon open.

His catch-up post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18508502]#6 does not give the impression as if he's interested to find things out. There's something about the way he starts his posts, look:

On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
It seems at this point that flowcaster is going to be replaced so my vote for him is pointless and im going to change it. For the following reasons i am voting for Targe.

I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.



First off he's like warming up to it by saying his vote on flowcaster is useless. This is either townie realizing he has been playing anti-town or apologetic, cheeky scum. I can't tell but judging by the way he says these are the reasons for voting for Targe .. i don't know, sounds like it's hard for him to do so and he's getting ready to write some fiction.

I mean since scum talk in their QT about who's mislynch to push I feel like this is a coordinated move in that they decided that Targe should be Spicydinosaur's target but he seems like he's working hard to come up with reasons.

But the next sentence is where I think he gave himself away:
On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion.


As I've said he probably kept his options open to jump on one of the two he has questioned, actually, the only 2 people he had any sort of interactions with and even with these folks he didn't bother to comment on their replies to his questions.
So here we see him choosing one of these options. The way the post is designed it's really rather sincere, like saying I was coasting so now I'm voting for one of the two guys I have a few sentences of content against, being extra careful because voting for anyone else would raise questions and scum/I don't like to explain myself.

On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding.


Understanding what? It's not like he left room for anything to misinterpret, he's scum and it's that simple. Others are concerned about switching the vote because JarJar doesn't seem scummy whereas he is concerned about people understanding his post. In fact I thought him and flowcaster where the scumteam and he used the inactivity of his scumbuddy to distance himself from him knowing well that if he fails to show up he'd get replaced, or that he could easily switch off him once he starts to post. That is not the case though. I'm town and you should sheep me on this one.

I'll go over other people's filters shortly. My general impression is that jrkirby, nobodywonder, Targe and jampidampi are town.

Also LAL means Lynch All Liars afaik. And lurkers aren't people who don't post at all but people who post little with little to no original content .. like Spicy.


I will come out and say at the least incase I die tonight that I agree a lot with this analysis. Targe and spicydinosaur are 2 of my prime suspects, also wary of espi.casey.
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if you think you are going to die, you might as well give us the dirt on Targe. I don't see the point of delaying your analysis any further.
what do you think of the other posters, any that take your attention? what do you think of hydra's case on dino?
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 06 2013 18:43 GMT
#309
On May 07 2013 01:16 Spicydinosaur wrote:
@AllhailHydraGod, your analysis is completely off base.

Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
What happened to his inquiries regarding nobodywonder's reason to vote Vayne.. or shirokami's lack of content and postponing analysis? Does he find them satisfying or scummy or what, he simply votes for pressuring the non-poster instead of pursuing his suspicions, letting people know where he stands.. they must've given him some impression but my hunch is he's not willing to share them because he wants to keep his options of jumping on their wagon open.


I found nobodywonder's quite bland, though it was early in the day. Nobody basically said he just didnt like Vayne's play style. As for shirokami, he finally started posting and it was about vayne. He didnt like vayne's play style either because vayne refused to reveal his full analysis. Instead of addressing both of these statements separately i commented on the subject of both... ie Vayne's lack of transparency.

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
His unwillingness to complete reveal is troubling but he has given some analysis. If this trend continues into day 2 then i would be more inclined to vote him.


It frankly didnt seem necessary to address both nobodywonder's and shirokami's posts separately as it would simply be repeating myself.

Next you focused heavily on my voting for flowcaster and then my subsequent vote change.

Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:

First off he's like warming up to it by saying his vote on flowcaster is useless. This is either townie realizing he has been playing anti-town or apologetic, cheeky scum. I can't tell but judging by the way he says these are the reasons for voting for Targe .. i don't know, sounds like it's hard for him to do so and he's getting ready to write some fiction.


From the beginning I was open to the lynch all lurkers policy as a way to get those involved. As the day went on, I didnt find any one person overly suspicious nor had i focused on one person. I voted flowcaster because of his absolute lack of posting. Giving 0 information is not helpful at all for town. I then came back to the game, hours later things had changed. There was a mod message stating that flowcaster would either be mod killed or replaced with you. Furthermore, nobody, calgar, and targe insisted my vote change.

At this point I went through posts of many of the players and come down to Targe for the reasons stated. He had only 2 votes on him when I voted him, so that can hardly be considered band wagoning.

Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding.

Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
Understanding what? It's not like he left room for anything to misinterpret, he's scum and it's that simple. Others are concerned about switching the vote because JarJar doesn't seem scummy whereas he is concerned about people understanding his post. In fact I thought him and flowcaster where the scumteam and he used the inactivity of his scumbuddy to distance himself from him knowing well that if he fails to show up he'd get replaced, or that he could easily switch off him once he starts to post. That is not the case though. I'm town and you should sheep me on this one.


Your analysis here goes completely off the rails. I state that I am online and will talk about my position to anyone who wishes. Lets also not forget that it wasnt my vote that lynched a townie. You had a single though that Flowcaster and I were scumbuddies and you let that define your whole analysis. It is clear at the end that realized how wrong you were but you couldnt let that go. Then your very last thing you say is that people should go along with you, even when you claim im scum for bandwagoning.


Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote:
As I've said he probably kept his options open to jump on one of the two he has questioned, actually, the only 2 people he had any sort of interactions with and even with these folks he didn't bother to comment on their replies to his questions.


Here again you make assumptions that dont match the facts. I had question a few and yet I voted for another and gave my reasons for it.



what are your reads on me, shirokami and vayne then? you seemed to have poked and prodded us, but what have been the results of your findings?
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nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
May 06 2013 20:43 GMT
#324
@hydra, what do you think jampi's analysis itself though?

I like jampi's analysis so far, I really don't like Casey's play, but I'm especially concerned because I am not feeling his play is bad townie, but rather more like scum. I really was bothered by how he basically sidestepped me when I literally screamed at him to change his vote from flowcaster to someone else. And I don't like how it ended up with jarjar...

Spoilered interaction between me and Casey for my own reading pleasure and you guys if you want.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 06 2013 05:36 eSpi.Casey wrote:
Im trying to figure out who i should be voting for, but i find it pretty hard, i still think vayne seem`s scummy, Flowcaster seems to be replaced. I think its to little content to find a good scumread and vote for. Im tempted to vote for Vayne, but if he flip`s town we will have a total caos on day2, i put my vote on Flowcaster for now, i will be reading here before the day ends, and might change my vote from what i read and how the game evolves


On May 06 2013 05:37 nobodywonder wrote:
NOOOO, casey! don't vote Flowcaster, it's the easy way out. This is really scummy.

CHANGE IT NOW... WORK HARDER


On May 06 2013 05:42 nobodywonder wrote:
casey, I assume you are here. If you try to avoid me now, you are my prime scumread. Unvote now and vote for someone else.

or at least talk to me casey.


On May 06 2013 05:50 eSpi.Casey wrote:
Its not my final vote, as i said im tempted to vote Vayne , but i want to see how this develops the last hours, while i try read some filters and hopefully be able to place a vote a little more secure then i feel now, would be really bad if Vayne, or someone else turns town, its pretty much chaos now, and D2 would be really bad if we lynch a townnie


On May 06 2013 05:55 nobodywonder wrote:
ok good, thanks for responding casey. well, why don't you lay down the heat then. poke and prod vayne then, ask him questions and see how they develop and if you like them. don't be passive.

i look forward to reading analysis from you. any analysis is fine. don't worry about how accurate it may be. don't be afraid to be wrong. just get it out and i'll help analyze the ideas and we can discuss.

as for voting
@spicydino change your from flowcaster and vote someone else
@jrkirby vote dammnit
@flowcaster are you alive?


On May 06 2013 05:56 nobodywonder wrote:
@casey, what do you think about jarjar because right now he is going to be lynched. what do you think about his behavior and his voters?


On May 06 2013 06:59 nobodywonder wrote:
well i gtg, gl town gl gl



[B]On May 06 2013 07:37 eSpi.Casey wrote:
##Unvote : Flowcaster
##Vote : JarJarDrinks


Jarjar and Vayne seems as the most scumming once for me, with jarjar as the scummiest, jarjar have barly contributed, Vayne says he will contribute, but not before D2, atleast he seems more active then jarjar, im looking forward to see what you come up with on D2 Veyne, if your still here. Tomorrow i have free from work and will spend much time analytic post/filters and try to contribute more then i have done soo far. I think maybe i should have obs`ed a game before i started playing, this was a bit harder then i expected, but il try to keep up.

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