From what i remember Palmar has a lot of meta on VE. VE could think Palmar is actually nuking him for a reason. Also the answer to their post came pretty quick and without thinking it much further. If it was marv i would think you would have thought about the possibilities from every perspective before posting a response. As it was VE, it's more likely that you guys actually are scum. Not sure though. I gotta consult Oats about what he does think of you guys.
/rayn

On April 13 2013 23:53 MockArmor wrote:
Why do you feel the need to post in the thread to contribute; and then limp-dick finish with "I need to consult with my partner."

This aligns very much with what Syllo said earlier - and from my experience in Hydra 1, I 100% agree.

On April 13 2013 18:31 SamuelLJackson wrote:
In a hydra format players should be more confident in sharing their thoughts and lacking the need to comment on irrelevant things as they can discuss things with their partner. Meanwhile mafia still feels the pressure of posting..

Let us re-cap the situation thus far:

You have gone out of your way to "contribute" on live thread matters
You then avoid accountability by having to refer back to your QT partner
Your reasoning: Oats has far better meta understanding than I

Now, let me crystalize for you what I am thinking.

If you are incapable of contributing to the thread, due to weak meta history; or, needing to reference with your partner in general.
Why post in the first place?

Before trying to bullshit me: keep in mind, I was scum in the last Hydra game.
Henceforth why I agreed in full with the Syllo quote, which I will post for you one more time.

Show nested quote +

P.S. Im not quoting this post, because Syllo saying it makes it valid.
Im quoting it because he said it in better words than I.

So you are accusing me of contributing to the thread without discussing the topic beforehand with Oats? I did try to discuss it but Oats did not answer. Then i discussed it in thread and Oats posted pretty much at the same time. It has nothing to do with what i think is some people's meta. I genuinely thought if the answer was to the nuke from VE it was scummy as i explained to marv. I never called them 100% scum, i wanted to find out more. Oats posted in thread that he did not find VE's other posts scummy compared to his earlier scum games, that's why i decided to ask him why exactly that was and said it in thread.

I don't really see your point here. I am not supposed to contribute at all if my hydra partner has more meta on the people i want to discuss?

raynmaster

Ivory Coast67 Posts

April 14 2013 14:05 GMT

#820

EBWOP above rayn

raynmaster

Ivory Coast67 Posts

April 14 2013 15:14 GMT

#824

I really really dislike Mocsta's attitude towards cooperation and 'words'.
But this feels like Town Mocsta unfortunately, I would like to lynch scum mocsta acting like this but meh.
(180 DOODS. actually no, so fuck off)

He continues to misunderstand stuff and generally get all up in someone's face, yeah town mocsta.

raynmaster

Ivory Coast67 Posts

April 14 2013 15:59 GMT

#831

On April 14 2013 23:34 MockArmor wrote:
raynpeli
No I'm accusing you of trying to contribute in the thread without providing accountability. This is because your entire dialogue with your "scum read" is subject to change pending on discussion with oats.

That's bullshit. Full stop.

Further, the exchange with *your/raynpeli* scum read, five touch. Does not even read as if you are talking to someone you are suspicious of.

Thirdly. Let's pretend you were genuinely suspicious of five touch. Why the need to consult with oats regarding your scum read. You should be engaging and probing fiveotuch as much as you can. Instead you are reaponding to questions he asking of you. In addition to hiding all accountability behind oats.

This is scummy shit, and again the whole exchange does not read to me as if you are talking to a scum read.

I can't question marv about things VE said, and that was the only thing i wanted to question them about. I don't think you should not answer questions from people you think are scummy, but if you think so there's nothing i can do about it. I just explained marv what i thought at that time when he asked me about it. Had it been VE questioning me i would have acted differently.

I don't think FT is scummy anymore. I read Hydra 1 and this game VE posts and VE was quite different in that game from what i can tell. Oats is saying the same thing.

I can't be around @ the deadline, i consider NSB / FMB / VIVAX420 the scummiest atm. Vivax only because i can't understand much they are saying. Oats gotta decide who we gonna lynch.

raynmaster

Ivory Coast67 Posts

April 14 2013 16:47 GMT

#840

On April 15 2013 01:24 FiveTouch wrote:
I'm back. rayn you're gonna have to explain your suspicion of me. You say I panicked when Palmar shot off the nuke. I'd like to know why you think so, and why that indicates that I'm scum to you.

I'll tell you that the reason I said "Lynch them if that's real" was that anyone who insta-shoot a real nuke with no discussion is scummy as fuck. If we had gotten a host notification that the nuke was real, my vote would have INSTANTLY gone to JM, because by my estimation if Palmar/DP shot a nuke like that, it meant they were scum.

Now, I'm curious to know why you think I panicked when the shot went off, because I think I reacted fairly well considering I had an inherent fear of being insta-nuked anyway because Draz is in the game. XD But even if you think I panicked, why does that indicate that I'm scum? Would a townie who is told that a nuke is heading his way not "panic" as well? I just can't understand the reasoning for your assertions.

Oh, and I'm back bitches. Scum, panic because I'm not hungover.

I thought about what i would have said had i been nuked. My first impression would be "wow, what the hell is this and why?". I would have questioned Palmar about his reasons for the nuke, not instantly yelling "KILL THE FUCKER IF IT'S REAL!!"

I understand everyone does not approach these situations the same way, but i found your response to Palmar scummy.

I don't see why you would assume Palmar was real with the nuke in the first place unless you are mafia and think Palmar has some strong reasons to believe you are mafia.

##Vote: ShotgunBiceps

For going after VE (which in itself is not scummy) and later on backing off from the read with a response that "the case was half-forced in the first place" when people find this suspicious.

Then there is the thing with Vivax. This is a thing i find extremely suspicious:

On April 13 2013 15:56 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Haven't read much any of Vivax's games, care to give me some examples where who does this?

Vivax is a scum read of his, someone points out that Vivax does that stuff as town aswell.
1) It's not their job to give you the filters. SB should himself look for the filters and see if it matches or not.
2) After this he backs up from the accusation. If i'm reading correctly the accusation was not based on meta in the first place so why back off from it? Just because someone says Vivax is dumb as town aswell? It makes no sense.

After this there is really nothing SB has done. I can't see thinking anyone is scum.