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On April 13 2013 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 09:43 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On April 13 2013 09:41 Hapahauli wrote:Flood Control is annoying and I can't reply as rapidly as I'd like to everyone. Just goign to post on my main account and quote-block everything to my filter On April 13 2013 09:35 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
This whole thing reminds me of RTP, Hapa, only you're me with the terrible case that ignores meta, and I'm you calling bullshit. What's the comparison to RTP? Also on the subject of meta, to what scum-games of mine does my behavior so far compare to? None, but I do know that you're more than capable of being aware of why I caught you as scum in Duel and how to play differently. Well the reason you caught me in Duel is because I can't play differently. I simply can't replicate my activity in my town games in my scum-games. If you think I'm capable of my current posting as scum, it's rather flattering, but unfortunately it's wrong.
I do doubt that you're mafia, but I find the likelihood high. I genuinely don't think you're bad enough to make that case.
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2 things... Use the right account and finish the podcast plz
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Ok Hapa, but how do you feel about DP? Even if you discount the ability to read Palmer at this point can't you attempt to read based on DP?
<- not yamato
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On April 13 2013 11:32 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Yamato you around?
I'm here.
'Sup?
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Fair enough, Hapa.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because how you've reacted since me accusing you is more in line with what I expect from town Hapa than scum Hapa.
##Unvote
I'll also be taking a break from the thread. Hopefully some other people I'm looking at make themselves more readable.
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VE, you're hilarious to read.
I want you to give me your read on DP.
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Calm dowbn, VE, I don't think Hapa is sucm
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That's also how I feel
VE tryhard typing so many paragraphs
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On April 13 2013 15:30 FiveTouch wrote:
You just got suckered by his instantaneous "Yeah you town" when you cased him Yamato, get outta here. He's been grasping at this VE read all game. He immediately wants to back out of talking with me as soon as I fucking OWN his argument, and now he's bullshitting townreads instead of trying to find scum. Hapa is scum.
You wanted to talk about DP. Talk. I've talked much. Respond.
I agree, Hapa looks hilariously stupid right now for his bullshit case, but the way he's responded since the case is not how mafia Hapa responds, VE. You're a bit tunneled there, he's actually just trying to cement his read. I don't think he's trying to buddy me further by calling me town as my ridiculous aggression is probably how he views me as town. Besides, if he's mafia, I will know he's mafia at some point. Mafia Hapa gets demotivated and inactive at some point, unlike town Hapa.
I agree on DP. I think he's sitting on the sidelines trying to fuel the argument that was going on without taking a stance. Notice the lack of a vote, notice the lack of any real attempt to justify his "suspicion" on you beyond "not being serious". Like you said, they're are also playing up the "fake nuke" deal like it makes them confirmed town, which is highly suspect and not at all true.
I also think the Vivax hydra is town, for what it's worth. The way Vivax argues for me being possible scum seems likle how town Vivax usually argues; i.e. he looks at some sort of plausible explanation of scum motivation and ignores any evidence to the contrary.
Your hydra, I think is town. You seem really town, while Marv seems like he's acting much like he was in the last hydra game, playing more as an observer than an active participant. The only thing I worry is that you are perfectly capable of seeming interested in the game, especially early. I don't think this means much, however, as in your last two scum games you have been especially demotivated and lurky early, so I feel like this is town VE as opposed to scum VE at the moment.
That's about all I have on this game at this time.
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Just seems like a softening of the usual Vivax insanity, really. I much prefer Vivax doubting his crazy reads than latching onto them like a fucking lamprey.
I can understand how you think they're alignment indicative, though, jampi, but what you miss is that his actual arguments are arguments that town Vivax often makes; someone is scum because they did something ONE TIME that he perceives as possibly scummy, or that fits into a weak scum heuristic he holds dear, and then he runs with it.
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On April 13 2013 15:54 MockArmor wrote:
My prior was post presented after VE presents rather valid points on both shotgun and DP/Palmar...
For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing...
As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.:
But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. As scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense.
##FoS: Shotgun
Let's ignore Hapa because I think he's actually town and then look at other people.
DP/Palmar have posted more than some, why lump them in with people that haven't posted much? I want your read on them.
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On April 13 2013 15:52 FiveTouch wrote:
I don't like the "That's just..not what he does" argument. What DOES he do? When his fabricated bullshit case get's fucking trounced, how DOES mafia Hapa respond?
But whatever, you're right I'm tunneled in after specifically trying to look at other people. Let's instead lynch Palmar/DP...because they're scum, but more importantly, I thoroughly enjoy making them angry.
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##Vote: JohnMatrix
Mafia Hapa makes bullshit cases and is ignorant of the general town discussion while town Hapa tries to be a town leader.
That's about all you need to know about him, and if you think about it, him even TRYING to talk his way out of his read and justify it makes me think he's town, because I expect scum Hapa to just go AFK and stop posting.
But yeah, let's kill Palmar/DP, because they're more obvious scum.
##Vote JohnMatrix
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On April 13 2013 15:56 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Haven't read much any of Vivax's games, care to give me some examples where who does this?
You can read his absurdly long filters in both Personality 2 and Mafia LIX to see town Vivax in full derp mode.
Both those games are insanely long and spammy, so you may want to reserve some significant time to do so.
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On April 13 2013 16:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 15:52 FiveTouch wrote:
I don't like the "That's just..not what he does" argument. What DOES he do? When his fabricated bullshit case get's fucking trounced, how DOES mafia Hapa respond?
But whatever, you're right I'm tunneled in after specifically trying to look at other people. Let's instead lynch Palmar/DP...because they're scum, but more importantly, I thoroughly enjoy making them angry.
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##Vote: JohnMatrix I mean I get they haven't been useful, but what specific scum-motivated actions have they done? I don't see that in your case. Only scummy actions they could be doing as either alignment.
That's a contradiction, sir.
First and foremost, town DP is actually fucking active and has balls.
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On April 13 2013 16:15 FiveTouch wrote:
And I'm gonna go on the record and say I'm a little salty we didn't get more Prom tonight.
BOLD STATEMENT
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On April 13 2013 16:20 FiveTouch wrote:
Yam your headphones came unplugged could you turn down the sarcasm?
Earlier when I called you out for your "contextless questions" I was attributing his play to you. I wanted more out of Prom because his initial flurry of questions were focusless, led nowhere and did nothing. I'm suspicious of him and want him in the thread explaining his shit. That bold enough for you?
It was a joke, bro.
I agree, actually.
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No typos, almost certainly not Mocsta.
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Is the person posting Sandro or Syllo?
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On April 13 2013 17:30 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Palmar any thoughts on WaveOfCheesecake?
Syllo asking this question is a town tell.
Carry on.
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Also,
I wouldn't mind your read on the VE/Marv head, since you should know quite a bit about them.
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EPT
