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On April 14 2013 00:17 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
raynmaster mind sharing your reads? Your only read so far seems to be that you think my partner is scummy because he did something stupid. Care to expound on that?
Town Hapa isnt stupid hapa. Push on VE off a JOKE was so fucking dumb its scummy. You see in Newbie 30~, my scum partner did the same thing, pushed a dude off a joke. Also happened other times that I recall but not all that well.
The worse part is that Hapa KNOWS VE, and for him to push it, yeah thats bad.
Hydra names in sig please, brain not enough capacity to remember.
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On April 14 2013 00:22 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
So you don't have any other reads?
Mocsta be scummy now.
Some townreads too. Going anywhere with this?
/oats
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On April 14 2013 00:26 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Just trying to get read on you and your stances help on that. What in Mocsta catches your eye, and is it only Mocsta or the hole hydra?
Its just Mocsta and the fact that he currently has said that he doesnt want to disclose any reads.
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On April 14 2013 00:37 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 00:35 raynmaster wrote:On April 14 2013 00:26 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Just trying to get read on you and your stances help on that. What in Mocsta catches your eye, and is it only Mocsta or the hole hydra? Its just Mocsta and the fact that he currently has said that he doesnt want to disclose any reads. Walk me through in particular why that is scummy. Walk me through why a townie would not choose to give out scumreads 12hrs into the game. + answer the outstanding question I have directed to you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683¤tpage=29#566
Dude, its like 18 hours, almost 24.
Because then you are not taking a stand on anything and you dont have any hard statments that you have to make regarding a person's alignment. Like you can always say, NO NO I DIDNT THINK HE WAS SCUM, I DIDNT SAY THAT. So make a stand, put out your reads.
I have no idea why you dont want to give out SCUMREADS at all.
Thats rayn posting, Im oats. Famously said, I DONT KNOW WHAT HE IS THINKING.
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On April 14 2013 00:50 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 00:40 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:37 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 00:35 raynmaster wrote:On April 14 2013 00:26 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Just trying to get read on you and your stances help on that. What in Mocsta catches your eye, and is it only Mocsta or the hole hydra? Its just Mocsta and the fact that he currently has said that he doesnt want to disclose any reads. Walk me through in particular why that is scummy. Walk me through why a townie would not choose to give out scumreads 12hrs into the game. + answer the outstanding question I have directed to you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683¤tpage=29#566 Dude, its like 18 hours, almost 24. Because then you are not taking a stand on anything and you dont have any hard statments that you have to make regarding a person's alignment. Like you can always say, NO NO I DIDNT THINK HE WAS SCUM, I DIDNT SAY THAT. So make a stand, put out your reads. I have no idea why you dont want to give out SCUMREADS at all. Thats rayn posting, Im oats. Famously said, I DONT KNOW WHAT HE IS THINKING. I will give out scum read(s) by declaring by means of a vote/case/comment etc when I feel it is appropiate. Certainly not only because it was requested. Show nested quote +Oh, and Oats, I am confident you will find that I answered /Rayns question in its entirety. I must admit, that I think continuing exploring this conversation is of merit however. Thus, I am still awaiting feedback to my questions.
Whats the point of this thing? to say DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO? or something else?
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On April 14 2013 01:05 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 00:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:50 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 00:40 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:37 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 00:35 raynmaster wrote:On April 14 2013 00:26 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Just trying to get read on you and your stances help on that. What in Mocsta catches your eye, and is it only Mocsta or the hole hydra? Its just Mocsta and the fact that he currently has said that he doesnt want to disclose any reads. Walk me through in particular why that is scummy. Walk me through why a townie would not choose to give out scumreads 12hrs into the game. + answer the outstanding question I have directed to you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683¤tpage=29#566 Dude, its like 18 hours, almost 24. Because then you are not taking a stand on anything and you dont have any hard statments that you have to make regarding a person's alignment. Like you can always say, NO NO I DIDNT THINK HE WAS SCUM, I DIDNT SAY THAT. So make a stand, put out your reads. I have no idea why you dont want to give out SCUMREADS at all. Thats rayn posting, Im oats. Famously said, I DONT KNOW WHAT HE IS THINKING. I will give out scum read(s) by declaring by means of a vote/case/comment etc when I feel it is appropiate. Certainly not only because it was requested. Show nested quote +Oh, and Oats, I am confident you will find that I answered /Rayns question in its entirety. I must admit, that I think continuing exploring this conversation is of merit however. Thus, I am still awaiting feedback to my questions. Whats the point of this thing? to say DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO? or something else? The point was: - I answered all of Raynmasters questions in its entirety, &
- I am still awaiting feedback to my simple and straight-forward question - now questions
Namely, Question 1& Question 2
I admit you (Oats) gave half a response to question 2. But unfornately its still only half a response. And further, I didn't realise Raynpelikoneet needed a "patsy" to speak on his behalf.
So your question to Rayn is 'why post in the first place?' right?
Can you explain how I am supposed to answer that in any meaningful way considering that IM NOT FUCKING RAYN?.
I answered your second question idiot. Im calling you an idiot because you repeat your questions over and over in the thread like we cant read. Stop it.
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On April 14 2013 01:13 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Rayn: That's Mocsta for you.
Yeah im Oats 
/oats
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I JUST EXPLAINED WHY NOT GIVING READS IS SCUMMY.
WTF MOCSTA.
On April 14 2013 00:40 raynmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 00:37 MockArmor wrote:On April 14 2013 00:35 raynmaster wrote:On April 14 2013 00:26 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Just trying to get read on you and your stances help on that. What in Mocsta catches your eye, and is it only Mocsta or the hole hydra? Its just Mocsta and the fact that he currently has said that he doesnt want to disclose any reads. Walk me through in particular why that is scummy. Walk me through why a townie would not choose to give out scumreads 12hrs into the game. + answer the outstanding question I have directed to you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683¤tpage=29#566 Dude, its like 18 hours, almost 24. Because then you are not taking a stand on anything and you dont have any hard statments that you have to make regarding a person's alignment. Like you can always say, NO NO I DIDNT THINK HE WAS SCUM, I DIDNT SAY THAT. So make a stand, put out your reads. I have no idea why you dont want to give out SCUMREADS at all.
To add on, you said that it can originate from town, I say that I cant think of a situation where town doesnt want to be forthcoming with his reads.
Use oats/rayn please or else I get really confused who you are talking too.
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On April 14 2013 01:43 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:28 raynmaster wrote:
To add on, you said that it can originate from town, I say that I cant think of a situation where town doesnt want to be forthcoming with his reads.
Town does not need to be forthcoming with reads. Town chooses to be forthcoming, assuming it equates to transparency, and thus, establishing innocence. What town needs to do is scum hunt; and that is precisely why I did not want to give out reads at the point in time. Why?
(1) The thread is full of loose/emotional comments being thrown around. Show nested quote +Many people are looking scummy for contributing to this "shit-fest" and its easy to get tunneled on bad play; as opposed to scummy play.
Constantly, asking for "reads" is inhibiting critical evaluation from taking place; as you are asking someone to crystalize their thoughts before they have soaked in this "shit fest" of a thread. -------------- (2) Instead of giving out meaningless "reads"; I would rather enter discourse with my reads to discern their alignment.
Anywho, I think you (Oats) and I are done with conversation. I await Raynpelikoneets response to my outstanding questions.
So you have no reads. Wonderful. Thanks for lying bro.
Unless you want to rephrase the bolded sentence?
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DP, did you write that summary post? Or did Palmar write it?
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Why does EVERYONE not live in timezones that allows me to interact with dudes :/
Syllo and Sandro,
On April 14 2013 02:41 SamuelLJackson wrote:FondleMyButtocks looks suspicious. His bigger posts look constructed rather than free flowing and he isn't doing anything with his few other posts. Going after Vivax/kush hydra is fine, but his reasons look forced to me. Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 21:16 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 13 2013 08:40 VIVAX420 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote MockArmor
Almost forgot that the guy found joining the pre-game banter funny but when the game started he didn't feel that much like joking. Must be discussing stuff elsewhere! the soft calling of someone as scum through the idea of 'posting somewhere else' of course they are posting somewhere else. I got a qt in my role pm. You got a qt too. We all did, its a hydra game! Stupid way to phrase this, it feels like over justification. It's not "soft calling" when you throw your vote down and stupid does not equal mafia. It was a short, semi serious early game vote post with only one justification. Not at all an "over justification", there was only one reason for the vote. His other reasons for finding vivax420 suspicious look similarly manufactured. The way he words his case and frames vivax420's posts overall does not feel genuine and open-minded (e.g. "supposed to be 420's concise thoughts", "even gives us a lynchable list"). The random comment about wanting to "almost" lynch GK for tradition's sake also looks like kind of fluff mafia likes to add to their post. Phagga are you going to write that mockarmor case?
why is this your only useful post? In over 30 hours of play, you have 1 post. This post is echoing town sentiment at that point too. Is this still current? Do you have any other reads?
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It was really fucking confusing.
Palmar why did you decide to post a summary of half the game?
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On April 14 2013 16:10 John Matrix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 16:01 raynmaster wrote:
It was really fucking confusing.
Palmar why did you decide to post a summary of half the game? You think it was scummy?
I think it was useless. Palmar rarely does useless things as far as I know. Its outdated information mainly. Thats the thing I dont understand. The game is up to page 30+, why only post 'analysis' of the first 18 or so pages? To show his 'thought process'? I dont believe that. I would like him to explain
/oats
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On April 14 2013 16:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Oats at some point during the night I'd like to hear your thoughts regarding MA and/or my case. In your own time though 'cause I won't be around.
Devil's advocate on your suspicion towards Palmar's post; as scum why put in that kind of effort just to make it look like you're contributing with a summary post, when summary posts are known to be inherently useless?
Your case is MA jokes when town and not when scum right? Or is it deeper?
Scum still post summary posts even though its known to be scummy. Like why do scumtells exist if scum dont do them?
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Useless
+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 16:51 SamuelLJackson wrote:
How about we have either have everyone nuke themselves? It's seems very likely that at least mafia has a nuke, and possibly both mafia and town. It's 8-3, but, without taking nukes into account, that doesn't impact the number of mislynches we have, and therefore I think it's very unlikely that mafia has no roles given how much everyone being a hydra favors town. With this assumption at worst we get a 1-1 trade and if there's an anti-nuker, we could even decide to save one. On April 13 2013 16:34 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 08:58 John Matrix wrote:
ok I just got modconfirmed town so my work here is done. Syllo will explain why I'm confirmed tomorrow. If he doesn't he's scum.
See you, I'm gonna go watch the watchmen again. Because most* hosts are terrible** and only make jokes and interact with players who are town. This literally happens every game. *everyone except you **no offense intended On April 13 2013 17:15 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 15:32 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 14:33 FiveTouch wrote:
Also is that the only question you have? I find it hard to believe that the entire body of your thoughts hinge on the answer to that question. The disappointing aspect of the game is that we have a bunch of people waiting for better scumhunters to "carry" them. And yet, their lack of participation makes it that much harder to find scum (like half the people in the game, so they can't all be scum...). At the time of this post the game had been going on for less than 8 hours; did you genuinely find the thread worse than usual and their posting indicative of them waiting for others to "carry" them? Can you make a list of players (should be easy since you suggested that there were many) who you thought were doing this? You named one, but that was just a person who prima facie left due to time zone constraints.
Like these posts have no follow up and seem to ask questions for the sake of asking them.
I did miss some other useful posts, but its like you hop around a lot, I have no idea what you are thinking, you dont push anyone. Like you vote for FMB without previous interaction and then in your very next post, seem to tell him his way to get you to unvote him
/oats
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Syllo, what is your read on Mocsta?
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On April 14 2013 18:10 SamuelLJackson wrote:His singular fixation on waveofcheese is a bit suspicious and I don't like how he made a brief remark about agreeing with me on FMB, but then diverted all his attention towards WoC.. Other than that he looks better now and I don't think he is a good lynch today. He has been quite active and the tone seems confident.
So read on WoC?
Why does MA look better?
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On April 14 2013 18:27 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 18:17 raynmaster wrote:On April 14 2013 18:10 SamuelLJackson wrote:On April 14 2013 17:41 raynmaster wrote:
Syllo, what is your read on Mocsta? His singular fixation on waveofcheese is a bit suspicious and I don't like how he made a brief remark about agreeing with me on FMB, but then diverted all his attention towards WoC.. Other than that he looks better now and I don't think he is a good lynch today. He has been quite active and the tone seems confident. So read on WoC? Why does MA look better? Why don't you tell me yours? I'm not interested in answering your questions. They don't even make sense; it's very difficult to explain why someone looks "better" and it's not relevant at all. I already gave reasons for not considering mockarmor a priority today and that's all you need to know.
You said 'active' and confident. Right. Not exactly the best reasons to call someone town ever. I wanted you to expand on that but since you didnt want to, whatever.
I feel that MA is misinterpreting WoC's push on him and that WoC looks like he wants to find out MA's alignment but MA isnt doing any of that sort himself. He is so closed up and prickly. No jokes and shit.
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