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For the rest of the thread regarding marvellosity.
OK so usually by this stage of the game marv has made his townieness abundantly clear to me. He has usually made some cases that I have empathised with and that have appealed to me. I usually like sheeping marv. This game he has sheeped a piece of shit case on sciberbia without really contributing anything and when questioned on why directed people to the fat load of nothing in his filter.
Also he has been more arrogant than usual and quicker to call me bad/dumb even than in past games with him especially when I am doing what I consider useful things for town.
All this means I don't have the comfortable town read on marv that I usually posess.
I don't think his reasoning behind making poor/unexplained votes cuts it as an excuse. And I don't feel like that is an unreasonable position.
What I will say is I do like the way he has interacted with me during the past page and his genuine need to convince me rather than flame me into the ground is somewhat of a comfort albeit a small one.
For the moment I feel marv is scummy. But I have been convinced marv is scum before (when marv was playing badly) and he was not. I feel like he could just be playing badly again.
I am not infallible and I am not unrealistic. I don't think the correct play is to lynch a questionable marv day one. He has an 8 page filter and is potentially to valuable to mislynch (as is sciberbia IMO)
Therefore while I encourage everyone to this game continue to eye marv with blazing scepticism I don't feel it is the correct play to lynch him today.
I would additionally like some third party observations of the interplay between marv and myself so that I can potentially gain some new perspective (not from the sheep marv brigade though thnks)
Alright. Please don't hammer anyone.
##unvote
Night all!
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On April 07 2013 23:08 marvellosity wrote:
To expand slightly, you could think I was mafia and still be reasonable about it. It's unreasonable because
1) you're voting for me on what is usually (in fact always, before this game) a towntell for me
2) you're voting for me for not explaining my sciberbia read, when I previously had
3) you're still voting for me despite me explaining very clearly and rationally how I went about the scib read, why I went about the scib read, and despite me trying to basically unsuccessfully engage you on my play, which you should know really quite well
These aren't reasonable actions, hence I scratched out 1.
1.)
I would need to take your word on point one. It is not something I have noticed, in fact I genuinely believe the opposite. I have vivid memories of you explaining things to people rather than telling them to fuck off and read something buried in your filter.
2.)
The rationale has little value to me as it is a post-hoc rationalisation of behavior. This would have been wonderful accompanying a sciberbia vote. but it is the result of votes and pressure and questions and could have been thought up over the twelve hours or more since your vote.
Yes, you are saying this is what happened and that is your rationale. But this is not spontaneous and it is post-hoc and this to me greatly diminishes its value as a tool by which to read you.
3.)
I am not accepting a meta argument to explain away scummy things. Perhaps you view this as unreasonable. There I disagree.
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On April 07 2013 23:23 marvellosity wrote:
I still don't get why, if you think the sciberbia case was a "piece of shit", you're fine with Palmar making it at all. But whatever. See you tomorrow I guess.
I am not fine with palmar. He has made two questionable votes so far. Which, if you are town I encourage you to apply yourself to understanding. But the fact is that I really don't have the energy to argue with you, Iamp, oats and palmar all at the same time.
And the sheep are always worse IMO. I'd rather someone make an original yet shitty case, than sheep one.
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ok I am actually gone now.
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Yeah. Ace is town. I don't want to lynch ace.
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On April 08 2013 06:30 marvellosity wrote:
Why's he town, broski?
Because his actions make sense in the context of a town mindset, he obviously is trying to figure stuff out with the way he went about talking with WoS and traps etc. are an INSANELY townie thing to do.
Also all his interactions seem natural and easy when he is actually in the thread.
Ace screams townie to me.
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On April 08 2013 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 06:29 DarthPunk wrote:
Yeah. Ace is town. I don't want to lynch ace.
Well who DO you want to lynch then? I really don't want a no-lynch today and we're running out of time.
Marv, Oats or a lurker.
Marv looks substantially worse to me since i left again. His list post was disgusting and he seems to be trashing everyone who doesn't read him as town. Which I don't like at all.
Oats I think is the best lynch though. There was a couple of posts after I had gone to bed that just reeked of inherent guilt.
On April 08 2013 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
ALL ABOARD THE ACE TRAIN
##Unvote
##Vote: Ace
(totally trying to get ANYONE lynched DP. and totally sheeping. DEAL WITH IT)
Reasoning coming up shortly, STAY TUNED FOLKS.
On April 08 2013 00:48 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 00:43 Palmar wrote:
Oats what do you make of DPs and Marv's argument. One scum? No scum? marv totes town. DP im not sure, I like this engagement with marv(totally sheeping marv, not.), but I dont like the rest of his play. Although I could imagine a scum player doing this thing with marv. (WISHYWASHY) Let me read it again and get back to you.
Like he is joking around with the scummy things that he is doing. But this actually reads to me as someone who is not confident in their alignment as to not give a fuck DESPITE clearly attempting to seem as to not give a fuck all game.
It seems to me like he both cares deeply and is highly aware of the scummy things he is doing/has done and is attempting to make light of them by calling them out before anyone else does.
This reeks of insecurity and a scum mindset.
Furthermore his filter is trash and he has turned into a useless sheep. And now he Sheeps an ace vote and fucks off.
##vote: Oatsmaster
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On April 08 2013 06:38 marvellosity wrote:
so the dude who passively shifts suspicion by following others and passively flings suspicion at Palmar without accusing him and the way he wanted to kill Oats for being a 'distraction' screams townie?
Oki doki.
Ace had suspicions upon you before I did. So either quit lying or read the thread.
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On April 08 2013 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
If you're actually town, DP, after the game I'm gonna make you lick my balls.
And I will politely decline. And if you are town I am going to point out that many people that I consider good players think you are scummy and that is a failing of YOU not of THEM and I will also remind you that it is YOUR responsibility to make your alignment perfectly clear.
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On April 08 2013 06:49 Palmar wrote:
DP I don't think any lynch that isn't Ace is going to fly tonight. So your options are literally "Ace or No-Lynch".
Why won't you lynch oats? also we have four hours. And in no way am I content with what i believe will be a mislynch.
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For the record I would be ok with an axle lynch as a last resort.
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On April 08 2013 06:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 06:47 DarthPunk wrote:On April 08 2013 06:38 marvellosity wrote:
so the dude who passively shifts suspicion by following others and passively flings suspicion at Palmar without accusing him and the way he wanted to kill Oats for being a 'distraction' screams townie?
Oki doki. Ace had suspicions upon you before I did. So either quit lying or read the thread. maybe he did, but only passive little attacks. He only truly attacked me and voted for me after you started sustaining an attack on me. Go read the thread yourself, you little shit.
So he only attacked you after me by your definition of attack? But you didn't say at all that you were applying your own definition as to what constitutes a real attack. you stated that he hadn't until I did. Which is not true. And doing so at all, even a little, totally changes the value of that argument.
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(As an aside, the name of this game is quite appropriate. I love it. LOL)
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On April 08 2013 07:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 06:50 DarthPunk wrote:On April 08 2013 06:49 Palmar wrote:
DP I don't think any lynch that isn't Ace is going to fly tonight. So your options are literally "Ace or No-Lynch". Why won't you lynch oats? also we have four hours. And in no way am I content with what i believe will be a mislynch. Because I had (for some reason I can't recall now) a pretty good "this guy's probably town" hunch on him. I do promise you, in case Ace flips town (I'm giving this lynch about 50% chance of success), Marv and Oats will be the first people I'm looking to, for multiple reasons. I can't promise you I'd lynch either as i'd have to rethink, but a serious look would be taken. I hope you are aware that I put both marv and oats in the "7 players where I think 2-3 scum are" list.
Yes. I am aware that they were on that list. I was just hoping I could save someone I think has a good chance of flipping town.
But I could be wrong and it seems that I can't sway the thread. You have to be realistic about these things.
I won't vote however in the hopes that ace appears to defend himself.
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I will vote him to prevent no lynch.
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On April 08 2013 07:15 marvellosity wrote:
DarthPunk, what say you to the fact that I demonstrated that what Oats has done this game that you find horrendously scummy, he does freely in his town games (and funnily enough, not in his mafia games)?
I would say that I was probably wrong on those two posts. He is still sheeping, useless and without a good case to his name.
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On April 08 2013 07:17 AxleGreaser wrote:I have seen this post. Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 04:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
If no majority is reached by 02:00 GMT (+00:00) (~7 hours from now), we'll end the day in a no-lynch. I am comfortable with my vote where it is on WoS. I will be here for bit then nap then come back.
So you are comfortable with having your vote uselessly on someone and then not pushing it at all to the thread so there is no realistic way for you to actually get the lynch you seem to want?
You know we could just lynch axle for not being as active as he was in every town game of his I have seen. DESPITE saying that he had arranged his sleeping schedule around the game.
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##unvote:
##Vote:Axlemaster
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On April 08 2013 07:22 DarthPunk wrote:
##unvote:
##Vote:Axlemaster
LOL Some sort of hybrid of kush and axle. Brains are weird.
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