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Mr. Cheesecake
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On April 02 2013 07:36 Lazermonkey wrote: My problem is this: if we don't establish a HARD policy then we might end up in a really hairy situation where someone hammers a guy in a completely retarded way, and everyone will start defending him using the argument "but scum wouldn't be THAT dumb and suspicious". If everyone simply agrees with the policy then we will avoid stuff like that. Policy: Don't go full retard mode if you're town. Savvy? You'd think this would be common sense by now. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On April 02 2013 07:46 Lazermonkey wrote: Define retard mode. Isthat hammering someone too fast? Or something else? Do you agree with my points or not? Be sensible about your hammer vote and explain it yada yada yada. You're policy lynch proposal is bullshit, because half the thread wouldn't follow through with it. How someone goes about voting and hammering is what should be looked at, not just "lol he emotionally hammered the townzorz must be scum" Listen to the Mafia scumcast (Hapa had a bunch of stuff to say about British II in it pertaining to instant majority). Has a bunch of goodies in it. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On April 02 2013 08:29 Lazermonkey wrote: I never claimed that ignoring normal scum tells is the way to go but w/e. So you are saying that my policy is bullshit because noone would follow it but I think that is a very bad reasoning. Either you think my policy is bullshit because the reasoning is bullshit or you think the policy is good but that it will be hard for everyone to follow it and therefore quite useless policy ( or you simply agree with it but that doesn't seem to be the case ^^). I do think it is a useless policy if half of the players in the game simply disagrees with it. But in theory, if we could guarantee that everyone would follow the policy, would you agree with the points I made? No. I generally think policy lynches suck. And i dont think ive ever seen one work out for the best. Meanwhile ##vote: risk.nuke because said hi but doesnt wanna be nice and talk with us. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote: Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On April 02 2013 08:48 risk.nuke wrote: You want me to spoil the ending and hand you the key to the test? Well i sure don't feel like studying. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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##Unvote I don't think we should lynch Risk today. How I got +2 to my pressure vote is beyond me. In regards to Sylencia's vote, cool -- Good to see you're paying attention. Nothing was happening so I slapped down a vote on Risk. 20 minutes passed and nothing from him so I went to bed. Now we have shit to work with. What alarmed me the most was RoL's vote. He explains it here. On April 02 2013 16:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: No, I explained with my vote why I had been doing it. I expanded on my reasoning in my last post. The last post showed risk.nuke continuing to do what I originally outlined. Like I said, it was like he was looking for someone to pick up the slack of the kenpachi tell. This seems a far cry to think someone is scum. Oh, it looked like he was waiting for someone to sheep the Kenpachi tell... really? I'm not a fan "it looked like he was doing something potentially scummy" instead of "yeah, this is scummy" I can't clearly read a thing Axle posts, at least Ghor I understand... On April 02 2013 22:32 Lazermonkey wrote: I'd actually not talk about my (potential)scum read just yet. I want a certain interaction to be happening first. Most probebly, that will occour later today. Lazer I want you to answer this question. Why do you use the parenthetical (potential)? How is somebody your potential scumread... scum have potential scumreads, town just have scumreads or town reads. Were you just waiting for somebody to slip up so you could call them out? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On April 03 2013 00:42 Ghor wrote: Ghor asking sylencia questions cause he scummy, vote to show he would want his head off too. ghor's quoted post answers question already. Hopeless very dull. here, for dummies.ghor pissed at dull hopeless.wastes ghor time, lets sylencia slip away, no interest in find out what sylencia want to do with risk. not able to read properly.
So you think Risk and Syl have the highest chances of being scum, possibly together? Isn't this based upon the assumption that Syl was deflecting attention away from his scumbuddy? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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You're quite all over the place. Give me something to work with here. Who should we lynch today, based on current posts? Make a stance, because I can't seem to understand what exactly it is you're thinking. You ask a metric fuckton of questions, but they don't seem to be furthing your reads at all. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Doesn't seem all that legit to me. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On April 03 2013 01:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi guys I'm reading. I have a feeling I'm not gonna like something I read, anyone wanna tell me what it is to lessen the impact reading it has? Posts that have "Ghor" at the top of them. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On April 03 2013 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Psh try again Cheese Ghor a badass. But I thought I was your designated badass? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On April 03 2013 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Found it. Cheese you unvoted and said "Gee golly guys I never really wanted to lynch risk and I'm confused by the extra votes that aren't mine" when reading could have told you everything you needed to know about the extra votes. You don't comment on any of the content against risk, simply discredit the wagon by saying the other votes were merely "+2" to your vote...which is very obviously not the case. And so I ask. Why do you not want to lynch risk today specifically? Ughhhhhh making me type things. The vote on Risk was basically to make him post after he said hi. Worked, cool story. The only evidence against Risk is that he was 'looking like he wanted a kenpachi rule wagon'. Other than that, he's a bit floppy poppy on some things but not that candidate I was to lynch right meow. I'm more concerned with Lazerman, hopeless, and RoL right now. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote: I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. It's that type of post I hate, Hopeless. I call it a Clarity. Clarity_nl did that in a game as scum, it was like he was bolstering a case without actually committing. I think that's what you were doing, prodding people to vote with no committal. And look, you can back out of it easy :D How do the intentions behind voting sylencia not match with a scumread on risk.nuke? Both of them could be scum, according to him? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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[QUOTE]On April 03 2013 01:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: [QUOTE]On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote: [QUOTE]On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hopeless... [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: ##unvote: VE ##Vote: Risk.nuke It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you?[/QUOTE] Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote: VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant.[/QUOTE] If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule?[/QUOTE] No I don't.[/QUOTE] Doesn't seem all that legit to me. [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: [QUOTE]On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote: Worst vote ever.[/QUOTE] On the contrary, best vote ever.[/QUOTE] I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal.[/QUOTE] Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town.[/QUOTE] At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post?[/QUOTE] I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch.[/QUOTE] It's that type of post I hate, Hopeless. I call it a Clarity. Clarity_nl did that in a game as scum, it was like he was bolstering a case without actually committing. I think that's what you were doing, prodding people to vote with no committal. And look, you can back out of it easy :D How do the intentions behind voting sylencia not match with a scumread on risk.nuke? Both of them could be scum, according to him?[/QUOTE] Yes, but by that logic any two players could be scum. ghor seemingly had a limited read on sylencia and was trying to develop one based on sylencia's response to risk's filter and the surrounding discussion. Sylencia "failed" whatever Ghor's criteria was, but during the whole process, ghor isn't really pushing risk nuke at all, he's needling away at sylencia, someone who maintains that he can see both sides of the coin and is hesitant to commit. Calling them both scum would involve tying the non-commital stance to a scum motive, something that ghor has neglected. Its a very straightforward thing to say, but he doesn't do it. I don't think he's legitimately trying to push for risk's lynch because I believe ghor and risk.nuke are the scum team. His pushing sylencia as risk`s teammate doesnt make sense because we should just lynch risk in that case, theres enough support for it. Why bother introducing a new candidate?[/QUOTE] Okay I see what you mean. But we need to stop the association cases pre-flip. Now. You're pushing Ghor as risks teammate... why bother introducing another candidate? That's hyporcritical. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On April 03 2013 01:49 Hopeless1der wrote: CC, the difference is I've presented them as teammates, not Scum A and Scum B I thought the connection between syl and risk was implied in Ghors post. Scum Risk under pressure ---> scum syl deflects said pressure by voting me. Is it not the same thing you are implying about ghor? Scum Risk under pressure ---> Scum ghor deflects said pressure by voting Syl. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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This post asserts that he is suspect of Risk, and thinks he could be scum. + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Doesn't seem all that legit to me. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. These posts ask for Ghor's opinion of Risk. + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2013 00:11 Hopeless1der wrote: ghor, do you think risk is scum? On April 03 2013 00:25 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Vote: Ghor Do you think risk.nuke is scum? Here's where it gets interesting: -snip- Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. Nowhere in this post does Hopeless assert that Risk is scum, he just pushes Ghor for the lynch. He doesn't meditate on scumteams, or why Ghor was doing what he was doing as scum with risk. Yes, but by that logic any two players could be scum. ghor seemingly had a limited read on sylencia and was trying to develop one based on sylencia's response to risk's filter and the surrounding discussion. Sylencia "failed" whatever Ghor's criteria was, but during the whole process, ghor isn't really pushing risk nuke at all, he's needling away at sylencia, someone who maintains that he can see both sides of the coin and is hesitant to commit. Calling them both scum would involve tying the non-commital stance to a scum motive, something that ghor has neglected. Its a very straightforward thing to say, but he doesn't do it. I don't think he's legitimately trying to push for risk's lynch because I believe ghor and risk.nuke are the scum team. His pushing sylencia as risk`s teammate doesnt make sense because we should just lynch risk in that case, theres enough support for it. Why bother introducing a new candidate? Now, Hopeless believes that calling Syl/risk both the scumteam would be the town thing to do by ghor, but instead he tiptoes, and that's why Ghor and risk are the scumteam. However, in the second bolded, he asserts that Ghor and Risk are the scumteam... Why didn't Hopeless tell us this prior?. Pushing Ghor as risks teammate makes no sense, and he never came right out and said it (which would have been the townie thing to do, according to him). Hopelesses logic is full of holes because he is saying Ghor is scum for the exact same thing he is doing. Breaking it down: > Ghor calls out Syl for deflecting pressure off Risk. >Hopeless calls out Ghor for believing they (both syl+risk) are both the scumteam and not just voting Risk instead of bringing up a new candidate. >Hopeless pushes Ghor for this. >Hopeless then asserts that Ghor and Risk are the scumteam. ^ Logic is so messy. If Hopeless believed Risk was scum -> why not just lynch him, do what you advocated and not switch targets? Instead, he decides to fling shit at Risk but not vote him, and then vote Ghor when he thinks Ghor / Risk scumteam. I'm still confused by it. He pulls this out of his ass under pressure. I want to hear from Risk first. He's a pivotal person in this entire business. | ||
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