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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 02 2013 20:02 GMT
#276
Risk, may I hear your thoughts on Sylencia? Or anyone else?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 02 2013 20:03 GMT
#277
EBWOP

Risk, may I hear your thoughts on Sylencia? Or anyone elses thoughts on Sylencia?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 02 2013 21:34 GMT
#278
So silent... I feel like going to bed . Someone talk to me!!!
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 02 2013 21:43 GMT
#280
VE, still not convinced regarding Sylencia?

Also, regarding hopeless, my impressiom after reading his filter is that he is a very silly player, a hypocrite and not reading the thread. I am however not sure how that makes him scum. Mind explaining to me like I was 5 years old?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 02 2013 21:57 GMT
#285
On April 03 2013 06:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
here`s my question, considering people accuse me of being a hypocrite. Do you think I`m just trying to be disruptive or that I`m trying to save sylencia? It should be a minimum of one of those, right?
I don't know. You being a hypocrite is actually not alignment indicative imo. What I do know is that you are calling out Ghor for stuff that you are doing yourself. So stop that.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 02 2013 22:09 GMT
#291
On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else.
isn't this like exactly what Ghor did? or am I missing something? You don't seem to think that he is scummy.

Your other point is quite good though,I must admit. But Syl looks far worse still.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 02 2013 22:12 GMT
#292
EBWOP: And to clarify I don't actually agree with your first point!
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 02 2013 22:41 GMT
#295
I'm going to bed now! will be seeing you tomorrow...
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 03 2013 09:14 GMT
#316
Hopeless is a decent lynch at most. But while that is the case, my last 2 games I played town with town Hopeless. Both games ended up with hopeless misslynched or vigi killed. Hopeless were making several basic errors in those games as well. These games were:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946 (mafia LVIII)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955 (dessert mini)

To be fair, I don't see a clear diference between Hopeless play in those games and this game. This obviously doesn't make Hopless town but I really don't see how you are voting him over Sylencia at this point. And reading the thread doesn't exactly help me...

Axle: I have no idea why you think hopeless is scum.
Risk: You reasons for voting Hopeless is partly meta and partly the fact that he isn't scum hunting. The meta part I disagree with and the scum hunting part is something that Sylencia does far worse at. Also, why do you continously avoid taking a stance on Sylencia despite promising to do so?
CC: You are voting hopeless for poor logic but guess what? That isn't alignment indicative.

VE and Ghor I think have decent reasons to be on him atm.

The reason I didn't say anything about this earlier is because I wanted Hopeless to defend himself rather than me do it for him, but since we are one vote away from killing him atm, my strategy has indeed failed.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 03 2013 09:17 GMT
#317
Sylencia: Explain WHY hopeless and Ghors actions make them scum.

Also, how did CC become town,suddenly? -.-
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 03 2013 09:18 GMT
#318
Also, don't hammer yet...
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 03 2013 10:22 GMT
#320
I think you are using meta in the wrong way, Axle. No, I haven't actually gone back to the games to find specific posts that match with this game but I don't feel I have to.

You have displayed that you don't think his play this game matches his town meta (first and foremost you only quote 2 posts, but lets ignore that for a sec) however, this is quite irrelevant. What we do want to know is if his meta matches his scum games, not if it doesn't match his town games.

My point is that hopeless have a history misslynches and I think there are better alternatives than him atm.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 03 2013 10:55 GMT
#323
Thinking of what axle wrote earlier about players most likely to get shot...

I think it's important to mention that we DO have a medic and scum DOESN'T have a RB. Thus scum might aim for a slightly suboptimal shot in order to get a guaranteed kill. Therefore it is of great importance that everyone have given out a couple of reads before we hammer because we cannot speak at night. Everyone (probebly not hopeless tho) may get killed.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 03 2013 10:56 GMT
#324
@Axle: that should read better alternative!
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 03 2013 12:46 GMT
#327
They are indeed hypocrites in that regard but why does that make them scum? Does scum apply bad logic more so than town in your opinion? Because I actually think the opposite ( though it would be terrible to call someone town because of him applying bad logic...).

And wtf happend with your CC read? You still haven't answered yet.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 03 2013 13:24 GMT
#338
On April 03 2013 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 22:09 AxleGreaser wrote:
On April 03 2013 22:09 Hopeless1der wrote:
On April 03 2013 22:08 AxleGreaser wrote:
On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding


No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game.

Who is your top scum read?

risk > ghor at the moment, but I haven't re-read ghor yet. working on a risk case now.


How did your case on Ghor get started?

Hes a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills. Also, relatively insistent that risk.nuke is scum, but wont hammer in order to find the "other scum". Upon finding said scum (sylencia), doesn't want to hammer risk.nuke anymore. Granted, I'm sailing the same boat but whatever..
So you confess that you are looking scummy or what?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 03 2013 13:34 GMT
#341
On April 03 2013 22:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 22:24 Lazermonkey wrote:
On April 03 2013 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
On April 03 2013 22:09 AxleGreaser wrote:
On April 03 2013 22:09 Hopeless1der wrote:
On April 03 2013 22:08 AxleGreaser wrote:
On April 03 2013 21:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
Axle, if you're around, do you seriously believe I think there are 3 scum? You devoted a decent section of your case against me to something that literally cannot be true, unless Hapa is bastard modding


No I don't seriously believe you think there are 3 scum in 9 player game.

Who is your top scum read?

risk > ghor at the moment, but I haven't re-read ghor yet. working on a risk case now.


How did your case on Ghor get started?

Hes a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills. Also, relatively insistent that risk.nuke is scum, but wont hammer in order to find the "other scum". Upon finding said scum (sylencia), doesn't want to hammer risk.nuke anymore. Granted, I'm sailing the same boat but whatever..
So you confess that you are looking scummy or what?

I always look scummy, you're the one who's been defending me on that concept.
Yes, I was just slightly suprised to see you defend yourself in that matter...
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 03 2013 13:53 GMT
#346
On April 03 2013 22:20 Sylencia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 21:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
They are indeed hypocrites in that regard but why does that make them scum? Does scum apply bad logic more so than town in your opinion? Because I actually think the opposite ( though it would be terrible to call someone town because of him applying bad logic...).

And wtf happend with your CC read? You still haven't answered yet.


The read disappeared when CC came back? I told you my point on him was that he left a vote and disappeared, he's come back, he's made points and he's not that high on my radar at the moment.

To your other questions, scum don't necessarily apply bad logic, they would more likely use actions others have done to justify something they didn't intend to do, run with it and hope it convinces enough people. So it's not really logic that I'm talking about there, just twisting other's actions would probably make for a better course of action. The problem I'd see with scum wanting to use logic is that it's easily backtracked and exposed, and that's why I don't see it being used as much of a point of attack as scum.
Lolwtf.

So you vote CC and say "Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here." because of how careless he throwes around his vote (which I think is a shit reasoning but that is quite irrelevant) but when he just unvotes, you just say "yhea, he is town NP". That makes 0 sense.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 03 2013 14:30 GMT
#347
Owell, I'm leaving now a few hours.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 03 2013 18:39 GMT
#388
I am back! Ghor, we are you not speaking russian anymore? You were hillarious bro!
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