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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 02 2013 18:07 GMT
#266
To make good question: Ghor would like risk to tell him about sylencia and hopeless.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 02:04 GMT
#304
Ghor in conflict, ghor not sure what make of risk. ghor also like hopeless and sylencia as lynch choices.

On April 03 2013 07:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless who even said anything about you saving Sylencia? What are you talking about?

What do you believe my motive to be? Trying to put myself in your shoes, I'd suspect (Scum-Hopeless) of being disruptive and/or trying to save (Scum-Sylencia).

by the way, inherent in reading two people as scum is everyone else is town.


ghor wonders, why you say you saving scum sylencia (cause you probably want to imply your motive is not being disruptive).
ghor very curious why say scum sylencia. not simply sylencia, or town sylencia.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 04:14 GMT
#309
Ghor not think Cheesecake scum.

If risk town, Cheesecake could keep vote on risk, agree on cases. Por ush easy lynch.
If risk scum, unlikely Cheesecake early vote scumbuddy in instant majority.maybe crazy play.

That connection based, maybe bad. but not think CC scum based on gut.


Ghor think Sylencia become more scummy, he always delay contribution. Many excuse, no push for direction. No pressure when Cheesecake here. Only justify himself.Ask others if they have question. Sylencia goal survive, not hunt scum.

Ghor think sylencia better lynch than risk or hopeless, cause ghor conflict read between two, maybe they opposite alignment, not think D1 bus. want wait, see how play. Lynch sylencia first.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 05:27 GMT
#312
Ghor think Axle need decide if lynch sylencia or hopeless. ghor not think lazer and himself good candidates.

ve want hopeless, not sylencia.
risk want hopeless. not say anything about sylencia. ghor waiting for risk to say something, but he not.ghor need risk opinion for decide.
ghor also see hopeless attack me when i attack sylencia.and hopeless say he either disruptive or he scum defending scum sylencia. ghor see strange lexical choice, strange explaining of motivation. wait for hopeless to explain.
sylencia only defend himself, no interact with scumread, no push. Only busy.

we at important point da
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 05:34 GMT
#313
ghor actually decide to give risk townread for now.he not lurky, he sound better lately.

ghor kill hopeless, people wait for sylencia to answer.
ghor want hammer. and sickle. da.

##Unvote
##hopeless1der
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 11:49 GMT
#325
ghor want kill sylencia very much, ghor think he look more scummy with each post.

So pretty much, I'm willing to hammer Hopeless here, but if it's town I still see this as looking horrible on Ghor. Not that he wasn't looking horrible to me anyways.


this look terrible terrible from sylencia. ghor facepalm, this more than just connection read, this connection justification for later bad push against ghor. whole play look terrible. ghor not need make case, sylencia filter is case. but ghor maybe try to make good case later, if town not convinced.


##Unvote
##Vote Sylencia
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 15:52 GMT
#352
Ghor very curious why hopeless never ask scummy sylencia why he want vote him. scummy sylencia only skating by hopeless lynch. and hopeless hardly mention sylencia or comment on what ghor said.look like not exist for each other in thread, maybe only in qt.

sylencia not ask scumread CC question.sylencia not ask hopeless question. sylencia fake scumhunt. no hunt for information. he only try discredit ghor cause ghor close scumteam.

Look in filter, what ghor say true. sylencia not interested in scumread, only passive say he lynch people. goes for ghor cause ghor look like troll, that initial reason. now only give other reason to stay on easy target. but ghor can stop troll if he want and sylencia very likely not stop tunnel. that cause sylencia scum.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 15:54 GMT
#353
ebwop:
he only try discredit ghor cause ghor close scumteam.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 15:55 GMT
#355
On April 04 2013 00:54 Ghor wrote:
ebwop:
he only try discredit ghor cause ghor trolls.


ghor serious mental block now.make double mistake he not understand.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 16:01 GMT
#357
Ghor remembers, ghor meant he close to scumteam. ghor not understand own strange language at times, cause left away to.
writing strange = hard. forget fast

ghor will resume:

hopeless -> risk, ghor
risk -> hopeless
sylencia -> hopeless, ghor.

risk no comment on sylencia, but ghor asked to. he delay. no comment yet. ghor pissed.
hopeless no comment on sylencia. he attack ghor when ghor question sylencia.
sylencia no comment hopeless, scummy defense of risk.

this constellation leave ghor unsure and conflicting. ghor rethought risk again, townread he gave spontaneously maybe wrong, but rethinking also good scum candidate. but ghor need compromise on one of them. and ghor knows he prefer sylencia most, but would compromise on other two.

hopeless, need opinion on sylencia, too.
need opinion on sylencia from risk.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 16:03 GMT
#358
ebwop: sylencia no question hopeless, no question cc. but drive-by comments on hopeless without push.he did comment.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 16:07 GMT
#359
Ghor no stop trolling. Ghor is the shit, capitalist swine are the flies.ghor only attack from people who look scummy. attack troll easy contribution, not possible be attack back for attack troll. maybe other town waste time pressure townie. ghor attractive target for scum.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 16:19 GMT
#363
Hopeless say what you think of sylencia instead of derping? Your reading mistakes made you look terrible, but not only, and I'm trying to get a scummier dude than you lynched, so stop martyring and start cooperating if you're town.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 16:50 GMT
#372
I already wrote stuff about sylencia, not really motivated to requote things from my own filter. Most of it revolves around his early post, his strange defense of risk (=risk did odd things, but scum risk too good to draw attention early, and many votes on risk make him feel bad about the push) and his denial to talk with me about risk at the timing where hopeless attacks me and sylencia slips away

His disinterest in milking his scumreads.
He never asks hopeless or cc a question or interacts with them when they are his scumreads.

His posts looks like he cares a lot about his image in the thread, he answers most people that mention him in negative ways, he looks very defensive, tries hard to not have a bad image instead of convincing others to lynch his scumreads.
He does not seem to make an effort in taking control of thread direction, only says who he wants to lynch, mostly not with much reasoning.

These are things not easy to make a case with. I could dissect his posts, but I think it's better if others checked it for themselves. Especially the timing stuff is hard to gain from the filter alone. You have to have developed a feeling of context for this, and you only gain that with involvement and reading everything, not just filter.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 16:57 GMT
#374
You missed that Sylencia is a guaranteed red flip.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 17:09 GMT
#378
He plays very defensively. Talks a lot about what he does and why he does it, even when talking about his scumreads. The "look, I am doing this and that cause of this and that" type of thing.

I think townies are less self-centered, sylencia seems to be very concerned about his own image. His disinterest in lashing out at scumreads is another point that confirms that. Wants to lynch hopeless without interacting with him, ever, and says in advance that I still look bad if hopeless flips town, which is a strange thing to say. He already reevaluates the read on me before a flip that would give information, that sounds to me like he wants to push me no matter what.

I don't know if he's lynch bait, but I do not think that should be a barrier to lynch people who look scummy.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 17:48 GMT
#385
I've actually started to doubt hopeless is scum when I saw that quote from syl, and also when he martyred right after Axle announced he would move vote to L-1. Maybe those aren't the best reasons, but there are better reasons to vote for syl in my opinion.

I also think I'll pull back my townread from risk, it was a rash decision cause I couldn't choose between risk and hopeless at that moment, and I don't see them being scum together, especially since I'm sure syl is scum.

I'm back to risk or sylencia for the moment. Those are my two candidates I want to hammer. I should be back shortly before deadline, if my vote will be needed on risk, else it's on syl anyway. If not, it looks like hopeless is the preferred hammer candidate by most of town currently.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 17:53 GMT
#386
I would also like to add that I'm aware of risk's lurky scum meta. But this is a mini and scum is required to be active, and risk has been forced to do so early (thus committing himself to keep up to that), so I will not put too much credit into his activity like he wants people to. I'm not too happy about his mono-scumread and null-everything-else.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 21:11 GMT
#417
On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.

That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY?


This isn't majority lynch. If there are 4 votes on syl, would you hammer him to ensure a lynch even if you say you don't want to lynch him?

I would also like to correct you. I didn't say activity is a reason you're town, I said it's not a reason to think that. Lurking as scum in this active town is pretty dangerous, so you are forced to not play to your scum meta. Hence not alignment indicative, and you have been put under pressure early.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 03 2013 21:19 GMT
#420
I read that. But the point is, there is no need for risk to ensure a lynch on someone he doesn't believe to be scum since it only needs 5 people. I think that is fishy. I would not hammer you, VE, to "ensure a lynch", cause I don't think you are scum.

I read that as scared from risk. He doesn't think he's scum but he wouldn't not vote for him.

As for convincing you, I'll try to make a quick case. But I have low battery power so I might have to push it out incomplete.
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