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Celtics and Knicks game started so my activity gonna die down. Dont forget about yamato. He is gone once again while we talk about other stuff. Above all else he should be vigi target #1 tonight.
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my bad Wos, I thought I answered everything. Point it out to me again.
@getmoript: that makes everything even simpler. Just let clarity get modkilled and we vote ShiaoPi based on the flip.
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On April 27 2013 07:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 07:18 Ace wrote:On April 27 2013 07:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ace you make an interesting point but I just don't feel good about a Clarity lynch. How many of those 6 matching voters would you say are scum, and what would it mean if Shiao does turn out to be scum? *nods at the conclusion BC has drawn WoS I honestly don't know yet. I've got a few players I'm leaning Scum on but I won't say because I'm not 100% sure and it doesn't make sense to start more wagons and finger pointing. Lets solve one thing at a time. if Shiao does turn out to be Scum AND clarity doesn't then the matching voters look real townish and I'm just wrong. Why does a clarity lynch feel uneasy to you? For reasons I explained here: Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote:Alright I read through Clarity; I have to ask, is he a new player or has he been around a while? His play of 'posting something so I get something in before the hammer' seems like the kind of thing I did when I was knew; self preservation when none was necessary at all, and I was called scum for it multiple times when in fact I was town. Like...his posting is awful and after having been around a little while I see exactly why now: On April 24 2013 00:09 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 23:49 Vivax wrote:On April 23 2013 11:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 11:34 Bill Murray wrote:On April 23 2013 10:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am here now and catching up, did not expect this game to start so soon, sorry. one hour later has read the entire game and made a case on sharrant? his case is really tunnely, and reaching, as well FoS Clarity Yeah okay I might have started reading and then figured I would read the last two pages and see palmar talking about possibly being the hammervote so figured I'd show my face. interested why you think my case is reaching, though. I find this quote interesting. Clarity apparently was afraid of not posting anything before the hammer fell, and here he is admitting that his case on Sharrant was something done in haste, and to "show his face", not cause he found the reasons good enough to post them so quickly. Hi Vivax. When you say interesting, what do you mean? Because pointing out something as interesting and seeing if anyone else jumps on it is interesting. Erm, yes I wanted to get a couple of posts in before day 1 ended, and I didn't just want it to be "I'm here guys", I do possess some self preservation. I figured if I showed my face maybe people would hold off on hammering and give me a chance to catch up. Turns out palmar wasn't even close to hammering but w/e, I wasn't sure. And I did find reasons, maybe the case isn't well worded or convincing but it is in essence why I believe he's scum. Just weak as hell case which I called him out on to start and he admits at the same time he did it 'self-preserve' but also to prevent people from hammering? Just seems so fishy but knowing my own play I can't necessarily call it scummy per se. On April 23 2013 16:02 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 23 2013 12:16 Clarity_nl wrote:On April 23 2013 12:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Why is there a case on Sharrant by some guy that randomly got into the thread.... Why not? Maybe instead of asking a question that has no answer you could comment on the case I made? I'll comment on it. I already forget who said it but it screams to me of reaching. I have a very strong townread on Sharrant right now and nothing you bring up in your case on him strikes me as scummy at all---how is providing 'easy outs' as you call them an anti-town thing to do? What is inherently scummy about the way he has presented himself? I will agree that his methodology isn't necessarily great but it certainly doesn't look scummy. For example in the first example you gave he provides Rayn with an out because they had already been arguing for fucking ages and shitting up the thread; it's entirely possible that he wants the argument to end as well and just wants to get a clear read, which certainly seems likely as he encourages Rayn to continue the discussion on another subject. I don't see anything wrong with his asking questions of others; everybody in here does that and you're really reaching with his talking about how he has to go eat makes him look insecure. You say that he just asks shallow questions to look involved? He's been plenty involved and has had plenty opportunity as scum to just blend it or let something go and make it seem as though he has contributed. Your case is bad and I urge you to look over something else if YOU want to make it seem like you're contributing. Providing easy outs isn't anti-town so much as it is pro-scum. It's very easy to say "do this or I'll lynch you!!!!" because your target will do what you ask. This is fine if you are asking for something that may result in anything but when you ask a question with only one possible answer regardless of your targets alignment then it is just a waste of space. If you are town and you are scumhunting you do NOT want to give whoever you're pressuring the "how-to-get-rid-of-me guide" Asking questions is fine, it generates discussion even when you do it as scum, but when there is no clear motivation NOR follow-up behind the questions then I begin to wonder why the question was asked at all, and I can only see it as feigning to contribute which is obviously a scum trait. Although I don't agree with defending a townread day 1 at all unless they are at risk of being lynched (which he is clearly not) you do make a valid point concerning the first post I addressed. I still believe I am on to something but I can see with the current thread sentiment and the fact that I am in no strong position (showing up way late >.<) that this lynch isn't happening. A weak case is still a case and it could have sparked some discussion that's not centered around oats and yamato which are as far as I'm concerned both policy lynches at best. He calls this rebuttal to his case a hard defense of Sharrant later on (which it may well have been) but aren't hard defenses in general seen as a little bit scummy? Why just accept it not call me out on it? Why back down so feebly in the end if he believes in it so strongly? It just screams to me of my play in like the first couple games I ever played where anyone could make me back down from my own cases and I was completely unsure of myself. Again, objectively his posting looks awful and somewhat scummy, but knowing the kind of stuff other people called me out for in the past when I was town I just don't know if I can see it as such. Including the stuff BM thinks Clarity is flat-out lying about. The post where he says "I don't care" seems more out of frustration than anything else....ugh. I REALLY want to hear more from him and don't like the idea of a Clarity lynch....yet.
Ok I assume this is it. Thought I replied.
I'm guessing you want more time from clarity since he appears new player like to you? I mean I dont agree with it since he's been gone so long, and ShiaoPi showing up atleast gives explanation to a possible town flip. I can't promise that there wont be a mislynch, no one can. it is entirely possible clarity is just new, but there is no explanation for him being new + not scum yet. ShiaoPi at least has one.
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I always try to show my work VE. why should that make you uneasy
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No thats you being guilty of not reading. The only times I dont "show work" is when I'm afk and cant respond or vote - which led to me being mislynched in my last 2 games.
"Showing my work" is one of my biggest claims to fame. And my activity levels are high in a bunch of games. I dont see why that would make you uneasy right now as it is not indicative of my alignment.
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keyboard went bad. vigilante Yamato77. re-read VisceraEyes filter. med me.
cops--->
Oatsmaster: kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia,
ShiaoPi: VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Hopeless1der
ShiaoPi-->temp green.Sharrant--> green
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On April 28 2013 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sorry guys had to take a shower. I'm going to explain soon why VE and yamato are probably scum. Third scum i'm not sure of yet, leaning on Sylencia/WoS/Hopeless. I also strongly think Palmar is third faction. Sharrant & Ace kinda confirmed town, doc/jailer on them kthxplz.
On April 27 2013 07:13 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 07:02 yamato77 wrote:On April 27 2013 06:59 Ace wrote:
no prob VE. I just think you're on the wrong path with respect to Shiao. But lynching Clarity and viging yamato looks like a real option right now. Why do people act like I should be vigged? If you can't push for my lynch, stop saying dumb bullshit. didnt you promise cases vs BC and VE? if you were town wouldnt you go write them instead of arguing about shit that doesn't matter?
re-read VisceraEyes from ShiaoPi arrival ---->b4 Clarity flip--> paranoia
On April 27 2013 09:06 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm saying he's not reading the thread. How would he know that I'm a viable lynch candidate if he's not scum getting information from his team (i.e. townShiao as you posit). But you disagree that I've been a viable lynch candidate. I'm basing it on thread sentiment, you're basing it off votes. I think they're equally indicative in games, you must not.
But it doesn't even matter anymore because I'm through wasting energy trying to argue with you about it. I think they both look really bad (all this time I've been rereading Clarity's filter/Sharrant's case) and I want the rest of town to provide opinions rather than scream over and over that one piece of shit is smellier than another piece of shit, so to speak. Where does he call you a viable lynch candidate? if he says this and is not blatantly sheeping Palmar again your point stands. Notice I AM basing it off thread sentiment. I think you're either paranoid or overblowing how much people wanted you dead. I may have missed it but I never got the vibe you were really going to be lynched today over the other 2.
On April 27 2013 09:12 Ace wrote:
You weren't getting lynched, stop it. 3 of those guys are voting on whims. You said there was some thread sentiment out to get you and it never happened. I remember because hours ago we all talked about temp clearing you to look at the Oats wagon. You were not going to go down.
On April 27 2013 09:59 Ace wrote:
I always try to show my work VE. why should that make you uneasy
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On April 28 2013 06:55 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 01:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
I could lynch BM or a lurker or something. Everyone talking is sounding more or less town to me. parroting an earlier thread sentiment says the word sounding as if he could know they are not "more or less" town really ambiguous wording fos ve
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On April 28 2013 06:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Wait he claimed miller? Shoot him instantly
???y
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@BloodyC0bbler:Yamato77??vig him?
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On April 28 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mafia down to 1 kp for factional kp no?
Also TRN, stutters and sylencia would make good checks/vig targets.
So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum. My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him.
Wos--->filter--->alibi!!!!!!
re-read! no vig yet till that.
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On April 28 2013 07:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:02 Ace wrote:On April 28 2013 06:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Wait he claimed miller? Shoot him instantly ???y Why wouldn't you kill him? WoS at that moment was in no danger to being auto killed IMO and he claimed self aware miller. We already had this talk day 1. I believe my stance is straight forward. Although I can think of a few reasons not to
Wos--->filter--->alibi!!!!!!
re-read! no vig yet till that.
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On April 28 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:What does that mean?
On April 28 2013 06:19 Ace wrote:
keyboard went bad. vigilante Yamato77. re-read VisceraEyes filter. med me.
cops--->
Oatsmaster: kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia,
ShiaoPi: VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Hopeless1der
ShiaoPi-->temp green.Sharrant--> green
On April 28 2013 07:42 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:On April 28 2013 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mafia down to 1 kp for factional kp no?
Also TRN, stutters and sylencia would make good checks/vig targets.
So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum. My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him. Wos--->filter--->alibi!!!!!! re-read! no vig yet till that.
look @OP!
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D1, Oatsmaster the Sirius is Lynched
Sirius Black (Un-Self-Aware Miller)
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Snape (Self-Aware Miller):
On April 28 2013 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Haha knew this was coming. You're welcome to vig me if it will clear up your suspicions; it appears I've been wrong a lot of this game. Just make sure you vig me and don't waste the lynch I suppose. Oh and don't bother not vigging and trying to DT check me because I'm self-aware miller. You guys need to decide if you don't trust me and want me gone or not.
Crumbs?-->alibi
On April 22 2013 02:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
HEURISTIC
Ok hai guise I'm awake. Bill Murray has gone and done a very interesting thing and I'm not so sure I understand his line of thinking in millerclaiming so early. Waiting on dat Palmar explanation.
CC you're so town-looking this early you've gotta be scum. Jes' sayin'.
Also Getmoript I didn't realize you guys were hydra-ing. Is it Geript/Mocsta? If so I think my earlier comment about you finding me scummy every game still pretty much applies since you both do it, really.
Um...real talk don't have much by way of reads yet, but VE looks to be town to me. Let the Day 1 shitfest continue and let's all learn something fun! Remember to swish and flick!
On April 22 2013 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 05:20 grush57 wrote:Also hello everyone! STARSENSES (not again :O ) On April 21 2013 17:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
At this point I need to come with something like Starsenses since I roll town every single fucking game. Grush help me come up with something! abyssal passion? Idk why we let ppl waste time with setup discussion and millers. like ITS SCUM DISTRACTIONS BRO. However d1 is stupid so, hopeless? Millers totes important, bro. Hey Marv/Geript, still looking for an answer to my question you've so conveniently ignored.
On April 22 2013 08:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:08 Sharrant wrote:On April 22 2013 08:04 getmoript wrote:On April 22 2013 07:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 22 2013 07:41 Vivax wrote:
Rayn, how's it going read-wise? Picked up anything else besides BM? I currently have 8 candidates as possible scum, you? lol what is this, a penis measuring contest? Either way I'm not impressed unless you have actual information to back it up. I'm really curious as to who you've come with especially considering most people's filters are too small to analyze; are you calling everyone with a filter worthy of analysis scummy? Personally the fact that geript has been pretty much avoiding me all day is enough for me for now. ##Vote: Getmoript So the fact that I've been avoiding you is scummy? Explain or die. Geript, WaveofShadow, both of you get on target here. You can return to your little slap fight afterwards if you want, but read the last few pages. Look at the cases on Rayne, and look at his filter. Then put your votes where they belong, and comment. To be fair, I'm sort of curious myself as to what exactly BM's play means and am hesitant to comment too much on the state of Rayn's tunneling until I really understand if it makes sense or not. Your case is good but as far as I'm concerned it's too early to focus entirely on just one person and try to garner everyone's town votes. Still waiting on a response Geript; nice to see a vote on you actually was enough to cause some sort of a reaction. And I don't go for that 'mod-confirmed' shit either. I'll keep it in mind but I refuse to ignore him just because of it. Especially since 3p is still quite possible (and imo, likely with 3 possible 3p roles). ##Unvote: GetmoriptI want to hear more from CC or kush at the moment.
On April 22 2013 13:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 13:26 Bill Murray wrote:On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Sup guys. On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.
That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one? TRN and Palmar are probably town. i was making a joke about his stupid sounding name it wasn't a serious claim whatsoever this is why the internet is not good for tone. Well that was pretty anticlimactic.
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On April 28 2013 12:44 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 12:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 28 2013 12:38 Ace wrote:On April 28 2013 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 28 2013 12:26 Ace wrote:
Wos-->alive.notshoot What does that mean? On April 28 2013 06:19 Ace wrote:
keyboard went bad. vigilante Yamato77. re-read VisceraEyes filter. med me.
cops--->
Oatsmaster: kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia,
ShiaoPi: VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, yamato77, GiygaS, Mr. Cheesecake, WaveofShadow, Stutters695, getmoript, Hopeless1der
ShiaoPi-->temp green.Sharrant--> green On April 28 2013 07:42 Ace wrote:On April 28 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:On April 28 2013 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Mafia down to 1 kp for factional kp no?
Also TRN, stutters and sylencia would make good checks/vig targets.
So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum. My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him. Wos--->filter--->alibi!!!!!! re-read! no vig yet till that. look @OP! Can you just say what do you mean? I don't understand. RED TEXT he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before
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On April 28 2013 12:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone who is mafia could make those "crumbs" in case they had to claim something. Why are you only looking at this and not how and when WoS claimed, what does this mean if he is mafia and why the fuck would he claim if he was town?
rare. showed interest in resolution!
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On April 28 2013 12:56 ObviousOne wrote:THIS GAME IS HARD TO PLAY WHEN PROLEAGUE IS STREAMING ARGH SO MUCH DELAY THIS WILL TAKE INORDINATELY LONG TO PUT TOGETHER WoS said he tried to breadcrumb miller without claiming OP says role numbers are unknown TRN asked why there was no counter-claim Ace says look at WoS filter so we look (not quoting with timestamps page loads are taking FOR FUCKING EVER): Show nested quote +Ok hai guise I'm awake. Bill Murray has gone and done a very interesting thing and I'm not so sure I understand his line of thinking in millerclaiming so early. Waiting on dat Palmar explanation. Show nested quote +Millers totes important, bro.
Hey Marv/Geript, still looking for an answer to my question you've so conveniently ignored. - SENSITIVITY TO MILLER ROLE BM did not claim, but WoS was willing to take it as a claim because he is aware that there can be more than one. - FIRST LINE OF SECOND QUOTE Why is miller totes important? It's not. It shouldn't be IMO. So this stands out. Reads as soft claim.
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my laptop keyboard is broken thats why I was typing like that.
@rayn: earlier I said self aware millers should claim with known role counts. but seeing people call him to be shot WoS claims. So I was saying go back to the beginning of the game and see if he said anything regarding Millers. He was clearly interested in Bill Murray's situation. If he is Scum he is running a long con, and sticking with it nicely. Being as I view WoS as kind of incapable of making such a play - based on my run in with him in Ego mafia and him not understanding something I deem basic - I doubt he's doing it. If he is he has experienced Scum on his team, and with Clarity and tube flipping I dont know how much we can trust that route. He might still be scum, but I dont think his claim puts him that way. If enough people want him shot - list those players and their reasons. How many of them are people you trust to be Town and have legit reasons?
Look at yamato and VE. VE looks bad when clarity flips because of his resistance. re-read that interaction! yamato has been promising cases on BC and VE for over 3 days now and has never delivered. Both are paranoid of me being Scum which is absolutely dumb since I would have just killed my Scum vigi and drop our factional KP by 2.
On April 28 2013 13:07 Sharrant wrote:
Ace, what are you feeling on Hopeless? He's been on the wrong side of both lynches so far in the worst way possible. Unlucky town, or mafia?
Very scummy looking or just dumb. Like VE seems super paranoid about me being Scum even with all that just went down to secure clarity's lynch. Not even pretending to read the thread. His entire reasoning rests on "some Vets must be scum" which is a ridiculous line of thinking, and a pretty poor place to start off of considering we have voting lists and 2 Scum flips.
Now I wont have access to this computer all the time so I'll be back on my laptop playing charades and shit with you guys.
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