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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 08:09 GMT
#4832
If Palmar is scum, he's going to make up whatever he wants to about his check.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 08:14 GMT
#4836
On May 06 2013 17:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On May 06 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote:
If Palmar is scum, he's going to make up whatever he wants to about his check.

If he fakes a green check, he's claiming insane so he's going to have to actually make up alignments as he goes along, if any of them flip and aren't what they're supposed to be then it'll implicate him. We can choose for him whom we want him to check.
If he's red, we know we can disregard the entire check.

The problem is, he knows everyone's alignment. So he can just keep "checking" townies to stay alive.

I'd rather just lynch him.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 08:18 GMT
#4838
On May 06 2013 17:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On May 06 2013 17:14 yamato77 wrote:
On May 06 2013 17:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 06 2013 17:09 yamato77 wrote:
If Palmar is scum, he's going to make up whatever he wants to about his check.

If he fakes a green check, he's claiming insane so he's going to have to actually make up alignments as he goes along, if any of them flip and aren't what they're supposed to be then it'll implicate him. We can choose for him whom we want him to check.
If he's red, we know we can disregard the entire check.

The problem is, he knows everyone's alignment. So he can just keep "checking" townies to stay alive.

I'd rather just lynch him.

We can choose for him whom he has to check. If he refuses, we lynch him.

In what scenario do you think a scum Palmar is going to lie about his check/sanity in an obvious enough way to get caught?

This, in no way, helps us figure out Palmar's true alignment.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 08:20 GMT
#4839
Also, how are we confirming these checks? Are we supposed to lynch the people he's checked?

This plan is bad. We should just lynch Palmar.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 08:27 GMT
#4841
Knowing which if those four scenarios is the truth is impossible without lynching Palmar.

What kind of cop cares so little about figuring out his sanity in a game like this that he not only claims after one check, but also FORGETS TO SEND IN A CHECK after having not even confirmed his own sanity?

Palmar is not this bad at mafia.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 08:34 GMT
#4844
If you're reading the thread, I'm supposed to be assuming BC is confirmed town.

But hey, who does that nowadays, right?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 09:11 GMT
#4846
Are you scum with Palmar, Artanis?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 16:09 GMT
#4881
I'd rather we not abstain from lynching Palmar until MYLO. There's no one else worth lynching besides Hopeless.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 16:38 GMT
#4884
I'd rather just lynch him today.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 16:49 GMT
#4886
It really doesn't make much of a difference whether we lynch him today or tomorrow.

He's the only person besides Hopeless, and perhaps you, that I would consider mafia.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 16:55 GMT
#4890
Idk dude, it seems like your plan is designed to keep Palmar alive rather than actually figure out his true alignment.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 16:58 GMT
#4892
On May 07 2013 01:54 Palmar wrote:
hey yamato, explain why you want to lynch me please.

I've been talking about reasons I don't like you this game for days.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 17:00 GMT
#4894
On May 07 2013 01:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On May 07 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote:
Idk dude, it seems like your plan is designed to keep Palmar alive rather than actually figure out his true alignment.

He claims to have an information role.
I wish for him to live another day to acquire said information.
...this is scummy how?

Because the information it supposedly gains us is only useful if he's town, and it's not even necessarily that useful in the first place.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 17:01 GMT
#4895
On May 07 2013 01:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also if I'm scum with Palmar why the hell would I want you off the table when Hopeless flips town?

So you look good when everyone else decides to lynch me?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 17:02 GMT
#4898
On May 07 2013 02:01 Palmar wrote:
I've gone back about 5 days in your filter and literally the only reasoning is that you expect me to use my role in a certain fashion and I don't do that.

Do you think that makes me scum?

I expect you to not be the second worst cop I've ever seen, yes.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 17:07 GMT
#4901
On May 07 2013 02:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 02:00 yamato77 wrote:
On May 07 2013 01:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On May 07 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote:
Idk dude, it seems like your plan is designed to keep Palmar alive rather than actually figure out his true alignment.

He claims to have an information role.
I wish for him to live another day to acquire said information.
...this is scummy how?

Because the information it supposedly gains us is only useful if he's town, and it's not even necessarily that useful in the first place.

Yes, and there's no downside to letting him live for a day more to have a practically confirmed BC in case he IS town. When Palmar flips and he flips green BC is in a whole lotta shit. If we confirm he's insane and not paranoid and he flips cop then we might not actually end up killing BC, saving us a potential mislynch.
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 02:01 yamato77 wrote:
On May 07 2013 01:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also if I'm scum with Palmar why the hell would I want you off the table when Hopeless flips town?

So you look good when everyone else decides to lynch me?

Fair point, but I won't let you get lynched.

I'll have to mull it over.

I guess I'm fine with killing off Hopeless today, but something feels off about the lynch. I don't like how everyone has now invented desire to lynch Hopeless.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 17:24 GMT
#4905
If I take away BC as a possible scum candidate, I have to reassess why I think you could be town, because the logic that says you're town previously included BC actually being mafia.

No longer do I have faith in you being town. Your cop claim is alignment null AT BEST, and so is the rest of your play. At worst, it's pretty fucking scummy. You checked OO, supposedly to confirm your own sanity, and then VE, I suppose in the same pursuit? It seems convenient that you checked VE the night he gets shot by mafia. But as I said before, you've constructed a possible narrative to you not being mafia; you're just bad at cop.

Why should I believe you? I have no reason to trust the word of Palmar this game.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 18:05 GMT
#4907
I highly doubt that you're town. Just because you're not objectively scummy doesn't mean you aren't mafia.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 19:22 GMT
#4920
On May 07 2013 03:53 Palmar wrote:
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On May 07 2013 03:05 yamato77 wrote:
I highly doubt that you're town. Just because you're not objectively scummy doesn't mean you aren't mafia.


"I don't think you've done anything like mafia would do, or acted like mafia, but you're probably mafia anyway"

I don't even know how to argue with this.

No, it means you haven't given me any reason to think you're town, and lategame, that's a fucking gigantic problem.

In the games I have played with you when you lived past night 1, I could easily read you as town. Most day 1's I can read you as town. I haven't had a solid town read on you the entire game. That's a problem, Palmar. It's enough for me to want to hang you this late in the game.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 06 2013 19:25 GMT
#4922
On May 07 2013 03:32 TheRavensName wrote:
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On May 07 2013 03:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 07 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 07 2013 03:25 TheRavensName wrote:
On May 07 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 07 2013 03:18 TheRavensName wrote:
Something opped into my head while I was filter diving artnanis:

Question, why are BC and Palmar even being talked about as suspects still? if they were both RBed night 1 they should both be town. Unless, were assuming ace got hit night 1 or they double stacked Vivax. Consiering no one was really hard pushing Ace in a way that would suggest he had survived a shot, i find this to be unlikely.. No way Mafia defensive jailed before vigis could shoot. So they must hve blocked one and shot the other, which would mean they would both be town.

Those scenarios are quite likely, TRN, as well the fact that mafia may not have had 2 (non-vigi)KP at any point during the game, especially since we don't have town vig.

..... Scum started at 5 which means they could shoot twice night 1.

i think a Veteran would have told them not to double stack vivax, and instead shoot him once and shoot someone else, then just shoot him again if they had to. And I don't think a newer player would have noticed the crumb as anything else other then self martyring after a failed lynch they pushed.

Where does the OP talk about scum KP formula?

Ah found it, ok you're right.
Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though.

Perhaps when someone is actually a threat and likely to get protection. Vivax just lead a mislynch, which made protection quite unlikely. i don't see why Mafia would throw away their only gauranteed night of double shooting with how much of their team was afk/under suspicion.

Just because someone was wrong about the lynch they led on day 1 does not make them a bad shot. Vivax was an unexpected NK, but I don't think anyone was suspicious of him whatsoever.

It's important for scum to keep people like Vivax dead. If town is listening to someone, even if that person is wrong at that time, you should kill them. You never let town form a cohesive group. That's what the Vivax/Rayn/OO NKs were all about. No one suspected them, and they were listened to, to a certain extent.
Writer@WriterYamato
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