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On April 22 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:56 Ace wrote:
so instead of looking at the people currently here, you're waiting for lurkers? awesome plan you got there. I already said I think most of the people posting (Rayn, Sharrant, Giygas) seem town. You, on the other hand, are worth looking at.
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On April 22 2013 13:05 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 06:23 Ace wrote:
Palmar what do you think our main plans of action should be right now? Besides what seems like posturing and prodding by some people, I think waiting on Bill Murray to get back is our best option.
Agree/Disagree/Don't Care? Seems like you wanted to do the same thing, Ace. Wait and see. Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 08:09 Ace wrote:On April 22 2013 07:24 Sharrant wrote:On April 22 2013 06:45 Ace wrote:
@Sharrant: RN looks like a noobie to me. I see. I am assuming this to be you saying he looks like a noobie town then, yes? Or are you saying he seems new, and null? Is there someone you would be comfortable with lynching right this second (aside from Bill Murray)? Is there someone you would recommend looking into? newbie and null. Not interested in lynching anyone specific at the moment. I'm just sitting back reading and will see what happens. You apparently aren't even interested in the game enough to have reads worth mentioning. Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:39 Ace wrote:On April 22 2013 12:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 22 2013 12:14 yamato77 wrote:On April 22 2013 12:13 kushm4sta wrote:On April 22 2013 12:04 yamato77 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:58 kushm4sta wrote:On April 22 2013 11:51 yamato77 wrote:
I don't like that TRN seems to fail at reading you, nor that he doesn't seem to understand how most games are started.
But meh, aside from that, most of the people posting right now seem town enough.
People that HAVE irked me so far include CC, VE, and Oats.
BM is also sketch for his claim thing. He "soft claimed" last game, too, and was mafia. This could be the same sort of play. Is yamato super scummy or is it just me? I mean I know he has some sort of IRL excuse (which I dont recall reading about myself actually) but dear lord he is scummy. He "doesn't like" that a noob is being a noob... WTF does that mean? Then he lists off some easy targets who haven't been here and say they "irk" him. Then BM is sketch. these words are very wishy washy. Also his comment on BM is really dumb reasoning compared to his usual town reasoning. TLDR, no conviction behind anything yamato Look up a dictionary and tell me where "sketch" and "irk" imply indecisiveness and I'll take this post seriously. In the context of forum mafia they do. what do they imply? Suspicious activity has been detected in the vicinity of the Oats/CC/VE/BM area. Proceed with caution. explain in one sentence for each player, what makes them scum? I'm also interested in seeing an explanation so repeating this for emphasis. Yamato I get a wishy washy vibe from you too based on that post. Are you just dropping a FOS or do you think they are legit Scum candidates? But yet you seem to like +1ing posts that imply suspicion on people + Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 05:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 04:52 Ace wrote:On April 22 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 01:11 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.
That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one? Vivax could you answer this? I don't think there can be two self-aware millers. Don't see much point in discussing that atm, why does it concern you at this point? BM didn't even answer yet. Because the OP clearly states there can be multiple number of same roles, so discussing if there are one or more self-aware millers in stupid in the first place. Anyone who claims miller on D1 should be lynched. ##Vote: Bill Murray Bill Murray's post wasn't a claim though This is true enough, though one wonders about the motivation for even saying the name. It's not outside the realm of possibility that he wanted to nudge the town causing millers to claim. Doesn't tell me if he is town or scum, either; he could be fishing for mafia to rise to the bait and miller claim as well. Discussion went (without his explicit aid) towards lynching all miller claims and that theoretical concept was shut down. Why don't we just ask him if he's claiming miller and move on until he comes back? His activity in Boardwalk was mostly in the late evening/early morning hours (EST), so we'll see what he has to say about it when he comes back. In the mean time, ShiaoPi why did you want to kill Bill Murray as your first game post? It doesn't exactly jive with your previous post in the pre-game. Explain please. So even more so than me, you don't seem to care what the thread is doing, don't want to talk about reads, and seem content waiting on one person to explain his claim in order to do ANYTHING today. But you're content with your +1 of suspicion on me while repeating the same drivel the people that have already spoken have said. I'd kill Ace. Forreal. ##Vote Ace
I'm a pretty patient fellow. I'm interested in the game - I just don't post my reads every second of the day. That's pretty much my standard operating procedure. Seems like your entire case is me not throwing around suspicions but instead, asking people to clarify stuff other people have pointed out.
How is that scummy again?
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On April 22 2013 13:10 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 13:10 Ace wrote:On April 22 2013 13:05 yamato77 wrote:On April 22 2013 06:23 Ace wrote:
Palmar what do you think our main plans of action should be right now? Besides what seems like posturing and prodding by some people, I think waiting on Bill Murray to get back is our best option.
Agree/Disagree/Don't Care? Seems like you wanted to do the same thing, Ace. Wait and see. On April 22 2013 08:09 Ace wrote:On April 22 2013 07:24 Sharrant wrote:On April 22 2013 06:45 Ace wrote:
@Sharrant: RN looks like a noobie to me. I see. I am assuming this to be you saying he looks like a noobie town then, yes? Or are you saying he seems new, and null? Is there someone you would be comfortable with lynching right this second (aside from Bill Murray)? Is there someone you would recommend looking into? newbie and null. Not interested in lynching anyone specific at the moment. I'm just sitting back reading and will see what happens. You apparently aren't even interested in the game enough to have reads worth mentioning. On April 22 2013 12:39 Ace wrote:On April 22 2013 12:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 22 2013 12:14 yamato77 wrote:On April 22 2013 12:13 kushm4sta wrote:On April 22 2013 12:04 yamato77 wrote:On April 22 2013 11:58 kushm4sta wrote:On April 22 2013 11:51 yamato77 wrote:
I don't like that TRN seems to fail at reading you, nor that he doesn't seem to understand how most games are started.
But meh, aside from that, most of the people posting right now seem town enough.
People that HAVE irked me so far include CC, VE, and Oats.
BM is also sketch for his claim thing. He "soft claimed" last game, too, and was mafia. This could be the same sort of play. Is yamato super scummy or is it just me? I mean I know he has some sort of IRL excuse (which I dont recall reading about myself actually) but dear lord he is scummy. He "doesn't like" that a noob is being a noob... WTF does that mean? Then he lists off some easy targets who haven't been here and say they "irk" him. Then BM is sketch. these words are very wishy washy. Also his comment on BM is really dumb reasoning compared to his usual town reasoning. TLDR, no conviction behind anything yamato Look up a dictionary and tell me where "sketch" and "irk" imply indecisiveness and I'll take this post seriously. In the context of forum mafia they do. what do they imply? Suspicious activity has been detected in the vicinity of the Oats/CC/VE/BM area. Proceed with caution. explain in one sentence for each player, what makes them scum? I'm also interested in seeing an explanation so repeating this for emphasis. Yamato I get a wishy washy vibe from you too based on that post. Are you just dropping a FOS or do you think they are legit Scum candidates? But yet you seem to like +1ing posts that imply suspicion on people On April 22 2013 05:09 Ace wrote:
+1 to ObviousOne's post + Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 05:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 04:52 Ace wrote:On April 22 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 01:11 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 00:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 22 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Not sure what to make of BM "claiming" snape like that. If I were to make a crazy guess, he's checking whether the real snape shows up contesting the claim, then say he posted some random shit cause he was drunk (cause that's what his posts look like ). And if the real snape doesn't show up, he will claim he's snape.
That'd be pretty ballsy, but effective scumplay. Let's see what BM has to say regarding this. What's in your opinion the point of doing this as we can't know how many of each roles are in the game? If there is someone who claims snape, why can't BM be another one? Vivax could you answer this? I don't think there can be two self-aware millers. Don't see much point in discussing that atm, why does it concern you at this point? BM didn't even answer yet. Because the OP clearly states there can be multiple number of same roles, so discussing if there are one or more self-aware millers in stupid in the first place. Anyone who claims miller on D1 should be lynched. ##Vote: Bill Murray Bill Murray's post wasn't a claim though This is true enough, though one wonders about the motivation for even saying the name. It's not outside the realm of possibility that he wanted to nudge the town causing millers to claim. Doesn't tell me if he is town or scum, either; he could be fishing for mafia to rise to the bait and miller claim as well. Discussion went (without his explicit aid) towards lynching all miller claims and that theoretical concept was shut down. Why don't we just ask him if he's claiming miller and move on until he comes back? His activity in Boardwalk was mostly in the late evening/early morning hours (EST), so we'll see what he has to say about it when he comes back. In the mean time, ShiaoPi why did you want to kill Bill Murray as your first game post? It doesn't exactly jive with your previous post in the pre-game. Explain please. So even more so than me, you don't seem to care what the thread is doing, don't want to talk about reads, and seem content waiting on one person to explain his claim in order to do ANYTHING today. But you're content with your +1 of suspicion on me while repeating the same drivel the people that have already spoken have said. I'd kill Ace. Forreal. ##Vote Ace I'm a pretty patient fellow. I'm interested in the game - I just don't post my reads every second of the day. That's pretty much my standard operating procedure. Seems like your entire case is me not throwing around suspicions but instead, asking people to clarify stuff other people have pointed out. How is that scummy again? You're calling me scummy for the same thing, bro.
eh? I didn't do anything of the sort. I just said you were wishy washy for stating you got an itchy feeling about players. Oats asked you to give reasons for every one of them and I agreed. I don't see what you're getting so scared of here. Why not just answer the question?
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On April 22 2013 13:27 Bill Murray wrote:
hi, ace. how are you?
awww shit it's B to the M ez in the heezy. What's goody yo?
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On April 22 2013 13:30 Bill Murray wrote:
chillin. macaroni n cheese. gotta read this game after skimping on my astrobiology.
yea man do dat. Lotta people unhappy with the stunt you pulled. Keep ya head up playa (lol , get it?! keep your head...I'll see myself out).
@Sharrant: I think you're stretching it on rayne there. If he originally convinced you with his defense of TRN then why can't you take it as a possible Town tell too? He puts effort into reading the guy's posts and denying the lynch because he is Town and not Scum trying to secure future town cred - especially on a guy that no one even tried to lynch.
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On April 22 2013 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote:On April 22 2013 12:56 Ace wrote:
so instead of looking at the people currently here, you're waiting for lurkers? awesome plan you got there. I already said I think most of the people posting (Rayn, Sharrant, Giygas) seem town. You, on the other hand, are worth looking at. Mafia is a game about finding mafia not town + waiting on lurkers for more reads? How about you analyze whos already here. Also still catching up but this is the single worst post ive seen to this point of reading
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jesus yamato is bad at this game
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I dont understand why people are just letting him skate by.
Rayne is guilty for being a tunneler, not being Scum. I don't see anything he's done that warrants a legit case against him.
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On April 23 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ace or BC, is there anyone you guys would like to lynch?
come on you're already doing good on the activity front. Don't fake question me 
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grush, rayne, cheescakes - you dont want to vote for yamato?
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On April 23 2013 05:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:21 Vivax wrote:
Or to put it differently, your conclusions are quick, have rather poor reasoning, little doubt, and your filter looks overall shit. I die d1 / n1 virtually every game where towns typically overall have terrible play / doing really wtf. Its to the point that anything I view as extremely easy to understand logically I will likely not explain fully. Why? Because I am not here to teach you how to play. Also anyone who bases reads on a player exclusively on a filter without the context of posts should be ashamed.
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On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 05:22 ObviousOne wrote:On April 23 2013 05:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 23 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 23 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is OO scum by the bolded part you quoted BC? I mean, i also think he is scummy for throwing questions around and not doing anything with the answers, but why that exact comment makes him scum? There are like ~10 other people who think the same, what differs them from OO? I already answered that question on the previous page Sorry, question worded badly. What differs OO from the other people who think the same? Hes good enough to know better. He dropped the opinion in a giant wall of useless text, and used it as a way to marginally work in a reason to vote for you. Given that it is an absolutely wrong opinion, and one that only a scum could stand behind to lynch someone (unless hes extremely bad) he must be scum. Wat. I am extremely bad. Who told you I was good? Did you make that assumption to support your conclusion? I'm good enough to know better? That miller claims should be auto lynched? When we can just lynch people who are acting like mafia? You are telling me that lynching probable town is better than lynching probable scum and in trying to wrap my head around that, I just decided I need to smoke. Thanks for the gesture of good faith, I guess? The fuck am I reading? What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. As for extremely bad? Sorry I've seen you play. You aren't that bad and should be able to follow the logic I just outlined. Its straightforward and extremely basic.
self aware millers should claim if the role counts are known, and should be expected to get policy lynched if the game goes on long enough. Otherwise not claiming can be brutal as Scum can claim it first and skate off.
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On April 23 2013 05:46 Vivax wrote:
I'll tell you who I want to lynch the most today:
##Vote Oatsmaster
His play differs a lot from his town play, where he can be disruptive, but is also ballsy and involved. In Boardwalk empire he played an aggressive early game, not afraid to tunnel players, or to be annoying with his aggression.
Here he started like that, to turn defensive when threatened by me and Palmar, and his involvement seems to be very low afterwards, he rather trolls or talks about irrelevant stuff, and doesn't post much. Scared Oats.
seriously, lets not do this. No meta cases please. We need 13 votes to secure a lynch by deadline - how about we not bring up lynching people with no context in THIS game whatsoever? You aren't going to convince many people with this, and you're just stalling the yamato wagon. Dont do this bullshit.
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oh ok. Infinite days are possible. Ignore the part about wasting our time then, even though you still need a more convincing case than "he plays different from this one time I saw him". That's just utter bullshit and won't convince anyone. No effort at all.
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On April 23 2013 06:02 Vivax wrote:Don't worry, I'll deliver some context, slow and steady, hot and juicy: Show nested quote +On April 22 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 22 2013 10:33 GiygaS wrote:On April 22 2013 10:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is me being 'wrong' make me scummy giygas.
Also was me asking VE what made Palmar town trying to dissuade a town read, or trying to solidify my read?
What is the difference and why does that make me scummy? You being 'wrong' isn't really anything against you, I just figured I might as well add it in. Actively trying to spread suspicion by stopping town reads is what scum wants to do. When I read it it seemed to me that you wanted to dissuade a town read. On April 22 2013 10:21 kushm4sta wrote:
Giygas as your self appointed lawyer I must remind you that you do not have to answer any of these questions, as you have not yet been charged with a crime. Thanks kush, haha. Right, so Im scum because I questioned VE's town read on Palmar off 1 post when VE offered no explanation other than, 'only town palmar does this'. Makes a whole lotta sense. OO I explained why I found the first post of Palmar scummy earlier, short summery was that he asked the thread to discuss a townread rather than a scumread and I found that pointless and useless this stage of the game. Palmar day 1 either lurks like a fucker or is useful. So far not useful but I like his responses after that. Also VE has decent reads and Im feeling like town VE although I apparently cant read him. DONT CARE. Bleh, Dont really feel anyone is particularly scummy other than yamato for showing up and fucking off without doing ANYTHING.
Possibly Sylencia but he does this shit every game town or mafia. Although his last town game he posted longer stuff. So really really superficial read on his post length makes him SCUM. Then yamato isnt. But whatever. Facts about the bolded: - Oats says VE has good reads - Oats found Palmar's post scummy, VE said Palmar would be town for that + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while. I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. I think Palmar would never make this read as scum. Discuss - VE had geript as scumread before Oats posted this, but when Oats posted this: 1. Geript was basically modconfirmed 2. Nowhere do we see that Oats is agreeing on VE's scumread on geript. Wishywashy post with lots of unconfirmed and incorrect stuff. Add the meta to it and you have a tiptop D1 lynch. /summon Palmar
Having a bit of trouble with this. Are you saying Oats is initally trusting VE's reads and then contradicting himself? If Oats finds Palmar's post Scummy, then VE says scum Palmar wouldn't post that is the problem then that Oats no longer trusts VE's read?
I'm not sure how the geript thing ties this together. Can you clarify that for me?
my train of thought: I'm guessing VE doesn't have many scum reads at this point. So Oats goes: VE has good reads. One of VE's few reads is geript as Scum. Oats never agrees with it. Since Oats calls VEs reads good, he never points out which ones -> he's just sheeping? therefore most likely Scum. With geript being possibly modconfirmed Town Oat's reasoning fails and since he's just sheeping and not being aggressive -> more likely Scum.
Is that it?
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I'm trying man. But my gifs aren't convincing enough.
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That is a rock solid case thats shows the Oats wishy washyness. If enough people get that wagon rolling I will switch Vivax. That's a stronger case than the current, albeit solid one on yamato77.
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On April 23 2013 06:30 Vivax wrote:
If he had a townread on VE, who cared at that point? If he had scumreads, why does he only mention them as answer to pressure, even though no one asked him about them? Cause he posted them to look like he was doing something, figuring out the game.
Does it look like he tries to pursue these reads outside of this post?
naw. It does answer my earlier question about if he's supposed to be sheeping his townread (VE) then why doesn't he push em also. Giving information no one asked for in a fake attempt to answer questions is just icing on the cake.
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To all you people lurking the thread lets get some consensus going. Right now I've got my vote on yamato but Vivax's case on Oats looks like an even better lynch. These are our top two suspects at the moment and imo, our best 2. do not stall these fucking wagons unless you've got a really good case of your own. Else wise the discussion should be focused on these two for now. Arguments for/against either of them will be greatly appreciated.
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