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On May 07 2013 00:46 WaveofShadow wrote: What if I told you I don't care what you have to say at this point? Then you're an idiot. If you're town, have read all my contributions, and still think I'm scum I don't think you can be helped. | ||
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Do you think that makes me scum? | ||
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On May 07 2013 02:02 yamato77 wrote: I expect you to not be the second worst cop I've ever seen, yes. I admit, not realizing I could be insane is pretty bad, but again, that's not alignment indicative. Explain to me how that makes me mafia rather than town. But the other thing isn't that bad at all, except for I overestimated the ability of a few people, most notably Ace, who was third party (I was pretty sure he wasn't scum), of arguing based on cop sanities. 1. I think BC is scum 2. I get guilty on BC 3. I claim and try to get BC lynched. the key point being 1. I actually think BC is scum, and I did not expect a bunch of people to step up for him and other cops to claim to make it a bit of a mess. I expected town to quietly lynch him, thus accelerating the process of me figuring out my alignment. I would've been okay pushing BC's lynch WITHOUT any kind of a check. So, since the BC thing was alright, and hell, in your own words: On May 01 2013 14:58 yamato77 wrote: So back to Palmar/BC; I find it more likely that Palmar is town than BC. Palmar, while relatively inactive, has attempted at times to push his own agenda in lynching VE, good or bad. He's also had a believable narrative in checking/claiming a red check on BC. Is he capable of this sort of play as mafia? It's possible, but I feel it likely that Palmar is actually telling the truth that he simply cba to do anything. It's an illness that often strikes Palmar. So given that you actually understand this narrative, what has changed your mind must be the fact that I did not send in a check last night. Now, explain how that, specifically, makes me mafia. If you cannot, you're full of shit. | ||
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On May 07 2013 02:24 yamato77 wrote: If I take away BC as a possible scum candidate, I have to reassess why I think you could be town, because the logic that says you're town previously included BC actually being mafia. No longer do I have faith in you being town. Your cop claim is alignment null AT BEST, and so is the rest of your play. At worst, it's pretty fucking scummy. You checked OO, supposedly to confirm your own sanity, and then VE, I suppose in the same pursuit? It seems convenient that you checked VE the night he gets shot by mafia. But as I said before, you've constructed a possible narrative to you not being mafia; you're just bad at cop. Why should I believe you? I have no reason to trust the word of Palmar this game. My cop claim is null, that is exactly what it is. You should go back and read some of my scum games, just for enlightenment. I'm sure you'll find them interesting. I checked VE because why not. Also I was pretty sure he'd flip if he was town so might as well. You should believe me because of everything else, because there is absolutely nothing objectively scummy about my play, it's a perfect match to what it actually is, lazy Palmar. Yes, lazy Palmar is less readable than super-active mega-town Palmar, but that doesn't make me scum. When I'm scum I do scummy things, like not re-reading the thread and not offering any explanations to whatever I do. I think I've been fairly detailed on what little I have done this game. | ||
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On May 07 2013 03:05 yamato77 wrote: I highly doubt that you're town. Just because you're not objectively scummy doesn't mean you aren't mafia. "I don't think you've done anything like mafia would do, or acted like mafia, but you're probably mafia anyway" I don't even know how to argue with this. | ||
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On May 07 2013 04:22 yamato77 wrote: No, it means you haven't given me any reason to think you're town, and lategame, that's a fucking gigantic problem. In the games I have played with you when you lived past night 1, I could easily read you as town. Most day 1's I can read you as town. I haven't had a solid town read on you the entire game. That's a problem, Palmar. It's enough for me to want to hang you this late in the game. So by extension you must think at least 10+ players or however many we have left you with a solid town read, since your number one scumspicion is someone who is "not solid town". Please list 10 town reads you think are solid with reasoning. This'll also make it harder for you to backtrack when I flip | ||
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On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: Stutters I think is town because of a meta read. Until he gives me reason to think he's scum, I will treat him as town because he's never played scum. There's little reason for me to believe that anything he's done is outside of what I expect from town Stutters, which admittedly isn't much to begin with. I would expect scum Stutters to be easy to pick out, because it owuld be his first game and he'd likely be horrible. Stutters is town because I say so, I think I would think he's scum maybe if he's scum so probably town idk? On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: WoS would also be first time scum, and he's too active for that. He's too involved. He's claimed miller within a reasonable context. Not what I'd expect from first time scum. Look guys, I actually have a legit reason for thinking someone is town, I mean, anything less vague than "he's too involved" is of course too much, but at least he claimed miller! On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: Sharrant is highly involved in the game. and seems genuinely interested in figuring out the game. He's also the only person mafia Clarity ever talked about, which would be weird for his scum mate. I believe Sharrant would be another first-timer, so unless he's a prodigy, he's town. No need for interpreter here, this is actually correct, if lacking in detail. On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: TRN is a mason, and I have little reason to be suspicious of him. When he masoned me, he seemed to want to figure me out, as he had apparently done with geript. Town. yeah, probably true. On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: Geript is town because I understand how he thinks. I was just in a Hydra with him not long ago. His perspective on the game is similar to what I saw there. He's a little tunnelish, and genuinely doesn't understand my play this game. I believe it. No, geript may be the scummiest person in the thread, he just skates by on the modconfirm thing. On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: Artanis is also likely town (unless my conspiracy theory comes true) because of how involved he's been in the game since yesterday. He's attempting to figure the game out in a rational way. I have little real reason to suspect him outside of interfering with me wanting to lynch you. Artanis is town because I say so, I'll just dash in some fancy words. "rational.... and involved" that'll do it. means I don't have to read or cite specific trains of thought. On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: BC is town because either you or him is confirmed town, because of what I've talked about his game, and right now I'm working under that assumption. BC is maybe town because Palmar is maybe confirmed town eh... I mean.... yeah sure, he's maybe scum and Palmar is maybe scum? So right guys, I got this, Palmar is maybe scum and BC is maybe town. Yeah that's why BC is solid town read of mine. On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: BM is town because he's still playing the game. In Boardwalk, his activity fell off a cliff and he stopped trying later in the game when he realized the scum team's chances were shot. In a similar situation this game. he's still trying. Not to mention, day 1 he tried to talk sense to me in my trollish state. Easily town. BM is town because he posts a lot... I guess. I also forgot that period where BM left the game. On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: Giygas is town through sheer effort. He's tryharding to figure out this game. I don't even have to explain this, it's so obvious. Shit, I have no reason here... hmm... tryhard? I'll just tell the guys they're stupid if they don't agree. I mean they'll totally agree the guy with the shortest filter is town on sheer effort? On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: Kush I might be wrong about, but he seems genuine when he just wants a lynch. His accusation of me felt like an accusation town Kush would believe in. He's also not hardbussing, as far as I can see, so he's not mafia. Real heuristics, applied realistically. I guess Kush is town because why not? On May 07 2013 04:49 yamato77 wrote: That leaves you and Hopeless, Palmar. Without your claim, there's nothing to point toward you being town, and the claim is ass. rofl, good job yamato ##Unvote ##Vote Yamato | ||
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I certainly agree with many of his reads, although he seems fairly flippy floppy on for example kush who is one of my strongest town reads. The BC point is the worst, he literally has no reason to think I'm scum above BC. Let's kill yamato guys. | ||
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On May 07 2013 14:07 yamato77 wrote: That was day 1 when I was trolling. Lol, excuse me for not having 1 scumread the whole game like you, I guess that's how the pros do it. Oh, and never push the lynch until Palmar does it for you, either. Good play. Try to antagonize only one person at a time. | ||
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