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On April 30 2013 05:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Something tells me based on what im reading I would be yelling as much as you Ace -_- Palmar has a guilty on you tho - thoughts? @stutters: what exactly are you referring to is being based on assumptions and should be done another way? | ||
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On April 30 2013 05:55 Stutters695 wrote: I'm in my phone now so can't pull the exact quote but I remembered a detailed post about how people on the oats &ships wagons probably had a scum among them. Then your posts about cop claims and what they mean is all dependanrt on assumptions and thus could just be conjecture to appear active without giving out as much as you would with your earlier play which felt more solid to me. Since I'm a prime vig target and could easily die before or with Shiao i felt it worth bringing up because you're clearly able to pull off such a play. you have to start with some assumptions and go back to read each cops' posts. I dont see what else you expect us to do to figure this out - just take every claim at face value? You are like 4 days late with the Oats wagon analysis. It's been done to death and generally accepted by now. When you get off your phone just point out where the assumptions dont hold up and if it hasn't already been addressed I'll be here to talk about it. | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:00 Blazinghand wrote: Parity cops are affected by everything regular cops are. A parity cop checking a framed target gets the reverse of what would happen. Examples: Parity cop checks Qatol the Goon, who is framed to be Green, then checks a Incognito VT. returns SAME. Parity cop checks Qatol the Miller, then checks a VT. returns SAME. Parity cop checks Qatol the VT, who is framed to be red, then checks a VT. returns DIFFERENT and so on shouldnt Miller + VT = different? | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:04 WaveofShadow wrote: It's pretty simple isn't it? If Shiao and Clarity both scum then any wagon analysis you did comparing the Shiao/Oats wagons when you did are useless. we already said shiao could still be scum. We covered this like 20 times - go back and read it. Shioa WAS on the Oats wagon. Thats how we brought him up in the first place. It came down to which of the 2 was more likely Scum - Clarity or Shiao? Clarity flipped Vigilante Scum. Shiao is still alive and was on the wagon. Multiple players on the wagon are also still alive. Hence, the analysis holds. read it carefully. | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:13 Stutters695 wrote: Sorry I'm not making myself clear and I agree assumptions are necessary, but in addition to more question based analysis (and I do think your assumptions hold up as reasonable). It's more if Shiao flips red that kills a pretty major point of your contribution n2/d3 and it feels like your posting lacks the quality of your earlier posts in regards to discovering stuff in favor of theorizing which cop is lying instead of trying to determine which one/two are lying. This is probably just me being paranoid but it's something I've strongly considered when thinking what i I would do in scums shoes. I think you're confusing what I did with scum motivations I dont have. I acknowledged both could be scum. It came down to which is more likely scum. Before CC's claim and Sylv's flip: If I'm scum why would I take that path? why defend Shiao and have our Scum vigilante flip and drop our KP? hence Shiao being red = the analysis holds. Make sure you read the entire thing correctly. I think you're mixing up the Oats/Vivax stuff with the "whos the better lynch" between Clarity/Shiao parts. Remember: Shiao flipping scum means there indeed was Scum on Oats wagon which is what started the analysis. I dont understand the bolded: I am trying to determine who is lying. Or do you mean something else? | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:22 GiygaS wrote: But Shiao wasn't on the wagon, he voted VE, not clarity. I'm talking about the Day 1 wagon, not Day 2. | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:26 GiygaS wrote: Anyway, on Ace: Acted disinterested on day 1, and I still think what he said was a contradiction. His day 1 was anti-town. Since then, he's been a pro-town force. For his day 1, I still think he's 3p (not scum) for his day 1, but he could easily be town as well. Definitely not worth a lynch or vig at this point when we have the whole triple cop claim caper going on. what did I do anti-town Day 1? can you point this stuff out? !wos: what slip? im not scum I cant slip | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Ace, you compared the D1 and D2 wagons though in the middle of Day 2. Was Shiao on the Clarity wagon at any point during the day? quotes so I know exactly what you are talking about. and Shiao didn't vote for Clarity, he voted for VE which is why the whole "he isn't reading thing" came up. | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:29 GiygaS wrote: I've said this before, you only seemed to be interested in town discussion to post memes, and there was that contradiction I brought up a while ago that everyone seems to disagree with me on (the one where you told everyone to take their time and then 30 minutes later got everyone to get their votes on oats to hammer him, right after he actually started cooperating). I always post memes. and yes, there was no contradiction on the Oats lynch - pretty sure I answered this before. | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote: You're talking about this post I assume? I'm talking about THIS one. ok? what exactly are you asking about it? | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote: You spend the entire rest of that night derailing the Shiao lynch and use this vote count analysis as evidence. If Shiao turns out to be scum that's an awful lot of effort you put into derailing a correct train of thought, and also trying to implicate people who are on both vote trains at the same time. I derailed it because I thought he had a better chance of being town than Clarity- who did flip Scum. We also acnknowledged that yes BOTH could be scum. The vote count analysis IS evidence: If shiao flips scum it holds. I dont see what your point here is. Especially with clarity flipping Scum Vigilante - why would I save Shiao over him and drop Scum KP by 2 that night? whatever you're getting at doesnt hold up | ||
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quickly: How did clarity and ShiaoPi get brought up? | ||
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Use your head. | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Go ahead and tell me how they got brought up, my computer is slow. I vote Shiao Day 2. Ask Bill Murray what he thinks of him. Sharrant's case on clarity comes up, I switch to clarity. I also say the people voting for VE want him dead just because, and not because they think he is scum. <---this is important. If I'm Scum and would know ShiaoPi and clarity are on my team this is prime time to push VE. I then ask getmoript if he agrees clarity, ShiaPi and VE are our wagons for the day. pay attention. Once again - if those 2 are my scumbuddies why would I be the only person to narrow the wagons down and bring heat where 2 of 3 the players to get lynched are my allies? this is the analysis posts that kicks everything off: On April 25 2013 14:16 Ace wrote: Ok so check this out from my notes. We know Oats was a Town mislynch. The person who started the case was Vivax who also flipped Town. We know this wasn't a Scum started lynch but with a hammer of 13, I doubt it's possible that 0 Scum were on Oats' wagon. This is the list order: Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, Vivax, raynpelikoneet, kushm4sta, Ace, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar,getmoript, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi I'm going to remove myself and Vivax obviously. Ignore rayne for now because of his activity levels, and clearly yourself. Oatsmaster: Palmar, kushm4sta, GiygaS, kushm4sta, WaveofShadow,yamato77,VisceraEyes,Palmar, Mr. CC, Hopeless1der, Sylencia, ShiaoPi Almost this entire remaining list is full of low activity players. I highly doubt out of all remaining 11 names here not 1 is Scum and I think this is where we should start paying attention. A townie is getting lynched and just too many people that lurk are on here and not all of them can be Town. It also just so happens that VE and ShiaoPi are on this list too. With vigis waking up tonight I'm all for them clearing out the lurkers on this voting list, while we potentially lynch from here. Of course one suspect (Clarity) isn't here but we can discuss that too. Thoughts? the nrext page of my filter is going back and forth with people on why I believe ShiaPi over Clarity. Once again, pay attention - there is NO mention of VE here. In fact I end up arguing with VE too. If these 2 are my scum buddies why am I not pushing VE here and arguing over which of my 2 scum buddies should die, and push the vigilante and drop our KP by 2 that night. My entire analysis combines looking at the thread from multiple angles and I still acnknowledge at the end ShiaPi can be Scum. It isn't till later I start saying he is temp green. And thats exactly what it is: temporary until more information becoems available, like today. There is nothing here that supports your idea of me being Scum. | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:48 GiygaS wrote: Clarity got brought up by Vivax (sure of this one), I think Shiao was sort of everyone having similar suspicions at around the same time. I don't think there was one singular person that sort of spearheaded Shiao, but Clarity originated from Vivax for sure. vivax mentioned him. Sharran brought up a different case on clarity altogether. I showed up and pushed clarity based on sharrant. later I made the analysis also using Vivax's call out against him. That was the VE+clarity+Shiao trinity we got down to. | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:55 Palmar wrote: This is a great game. I'm just going to do nothing and let the hilariousness happen. I really have a bad case of the cba this game. action packed for sure. | ||
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On April 30 2013 06:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I think I'ma check Ace tonight instead. What do you think guys? you could, but why would you run away from checking Palmar? | ||
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On April 30 2013 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not running away from anything - but given everything, I think we should just lynch Palmar to check him. He doesn't even fucking care. Palmar cares. just in a different way. | ||
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