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On May 10 2013 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:
Also do you guys believe in balance? I do. And what that means is even though hosts like you to think scumteams are random, they aren't. A scumteam in a big game like this is never full of newbies.
According to balance, either Palmar or BC must be scum.
This is not true whatsoever.
Hosts all balance differently and perceive player skill completely differently than other people do.
Keep in mind Bill Murray is as experienced if not more so than myself and has been playing for just as long pretty well. He is more experienced likely than Palmar. Yet is completely ignored and overall has done nothing this game.
I have no idea why you are trying to lynch Palmar off setup speculation. If we did shit based off that I would be lynching BM and TRN right now.
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As well as Palmar for setup speculation. Its why you don't use setup speculation as reasons to kill people.
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On May 11 2013 04:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 03:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 10 2013 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:
Also do you guys believe in balance? I do. And what that means is even though hosts like you to think scumteams are random, they aren't. A scumteam in a big game like this is never full of newbies.
According to balance, either Palmar or BC must be scum. This is not true whatsoever. Hosts all balance differently and perceive player skill completely differently than other people do. Keep in mind Bill Murray is as experienced if not more so than myself and has been playing for just as long pretty well. He is more experienced likely than Palmar. Yet is completely ignored and overall has done nothing this game. I have no idea why you are trying to lynch Palmar off setup speculation. If we did shit based off that I would be lynching BM and TRN right now. Outside of speculation, do you think BM is scum?
he could be. He was warned for inactivity and seems to appear to post a bunch of stuff in response to stuff on pages and pages before, and doesn't seem to post on a ton of current stuff then vanishes again. Or at least thats what I have seen when I am around when he posts. I will have to more closely filter him. However he really has 0 thread presence and is being ignored almost universally which is weird given how few players are left.
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.................... what the hell is happening
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Seriously, can anyone whos not kush respond to why kush isn't a good shot? His responses to it were bad, as well as his reason for wanting to kill Palmar on balance.
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Can we seriously stop fucking derping and lynch kush tommorrow please. This is getting retarded -_-
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On May 12 2013 03:21 kushm4sta wrote:
I was real sad over lynching yamato, but at least I thought he was town.
Anyone who ever ever wants a reason as to why I want kush lynched? This shit.
He says he was sad about lynching yamato but he thought he was town? WHY WOULD YOU LYNCH A TOWN READ EVER.
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On May 12 2013 14:30 kushm4sta wrote:
i mean how superficial are your reads that you think I am scum?
if i was scum I think my play this game would be quite amazing. basically my scumgame is not good enough for me to be scum this game.
Or town play is astonomically bad. It is a common trend. I could be wrong, but what have you done at all that proves that your town? You actively play against town interests.
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On May 12 2013 14:23 kushm4sta wrote:
u lynch a town read for the lolz.
u lynch a town read for the day to end.
u lynch a town read because you are bored.
not sure exactly why I did it but i regret it like I said. Sorry if you don't understand that BC> If you are town I guess that makes me better than you? Since you can't even townread me lol.
as a note, this is a reason why you should be lynched/shot/banned from all mafia games if you flip town.
This is in no way trying to the win the game and is actively playing against your win con as town. Given that most of what you have done / said around lynches is this sentiment over and over and over. There is no way in hell you are town.
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On May 14 2013 00:30 Palmar wrote:
proposition (going to attempt this myself):
Try to read the game ONLY from the yamato lynch to today, and pretend whatever happened before that did not happen. The days before that were basically stupid autolynches that left very little to be analysed, whereas yamato was the first real lynch we had. The game became more manageable a this point.
I have a feeling this will help.
tbh this just makes me more certain of my read of kush.
I will do this with the remainder of the players alive and hopefully it bears some fruit.
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On May 14 2013 06:42 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 04:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 14 2013 00:30 Palmar wrote:
proposition (going to attempt this myself):
Try to read the game ONLY from the yamato lynch to today, and pretend whatever happened before that did not happen. The days before that were basically stupid autolynches that left very little to be analysed, whereas yamato was the first real lynch we had. The game became more manageable a this point.
I have a feeling this will help. tbh this just makes me more certain of my read of kush. I will do this with the remainder of the players alive and hopefully it bears some fruit. what makes you more certain?
because youve done nothing remotely town aligned since that lynch or just around it
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On May 15 2013 04:29 kushm4sta wrote:
give me until the no lynch plz. that gives me time to find the scum.
You promised reads that could help us win the game to help show you are town aligned. Instead you gave us random town reads with basically no reasons. You then stated you only read half their filters.
You are putting 0 effort into the game but are obviously around to post. You want no lynch to give you extra time to perform but you have had a ton of time already to do this. If you were serious about helping you would have done so already.
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On May 15 2013 05:33 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 05:29 getmoript wrote:
No, I'm saying I'd rather lynch Palmar. No you're not. You garner no support for your lynch on Palmar, I'm sure as hell not switching right now; you know exactly that this will end up in a no-lynch unless BM changes his mind or Palmar votes.
by outright refusing to vote It is almost clear hes banking on the no lynch to win. No lynch is not advantageous to town in this situation. If we no lynch it becomes 5v2 after night, if we misslynch or no lynch again, 4v2 or 5v2 then night shot.
Basically it means all active players will be killed and no lynches can be forced over and over, or town will get modkilled via inactive / not caring.
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geript, town has played horribly to the point of appearing as scum. Given that + how quickly the first few days went with auto raping of scum its no surprise we are in this state -_-
One of WoS and palmar is likely mafia. The other is geript/giggles.
Now I say this for one simple reason. Given how many flipped roles we have of fucking with our dts (which we seem to have a bunch of) it seems unlikely to have 1 framer, 1 unaware miller, 1 aware miller, and a paranoid dt. That screams bastard hosts far to much. As such one of the two is likely mafia (having 3 roles to fuck with dts not as asshattish).
Given that I know I am town. I also think the removal of marv seems unlikely if he was mafia. As such I am inclined to say giggles mafia.
Of WoS and Palmar I would need to take a closer look at their filters.
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On May 16 2013 10:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 10:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
geript, town has played horribly to the point of appearing as scum. Given that + how quickly the first few days went with auto raping of scum its no surprise we are in this state -_-
One of WoS and palmar is likely mafia. The other is geript/giggles.
Now I say this for one simple reason. Given how many flipped roles we have of fucking with our dts (which we seem to have a bunch of) it seems unlikely to have 1 framer, 1 unaware miller, 1 aware miller, and a paranoid dt. That screams bastard hosts far to much. As such one of the two is likely mafia (having 3 roles to fuck with dts not as asshattish).
Given that I know I am town. I also think the removal of marv seems unlikely if he was mafia. As such I am inclined to say giggles mafia.
Of WoS and Palmar I would need to take a closer look at their filters. Except how can you be sure? I found myself doubting the fact that TRN was town simply because I don't understand why you'd have 2 town masons and no scum mason (The Game's mason roles were balanced). I refuse to go on host bullshit any longer, and I'm going to be real pissed at the town and real pissed at myself for believing them if Geript is scum for letting him go on for so long doing absolutely dick all because 'modconfirmed town u guise.'
Geript does nothing as town basically ever. I also just can't see marv getting modkilled as scum over something stupid as refusing to use a host made qt. He can just refuse to post in the scum qt anyway if he just wanted to talk to geript. This seems completely like a marv was happy talking to his hydra buddy in his own qt and the hosts gave him one later and said he had to use it. He was like "wtf no yo"
In a situation where he was on a team I think he would be less likely to get himself modkilled as it fucks his team. Obviously its speculation but its also based on how he has interacted with me in the past.
As such I can only conclude of him and giggles giggles is the scum.
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On May 17 2013 01:38 getmoript wrote:
@BC could you explain your separations (me/Giygas, WoS/palmar) more?
Given the Palmar / WoS claims and with the roles we have already seen flip I find it very hard that the hosts would give
1 framer
1 aware miller
1 unaware miller
and a paranoid dt
with an insane dt, and a parity cop.
Factor in the only other blue roles we have seen is a jailer and 2 masons. Mafia have had a vig, framer and a jailer as well.
Given that a framer can fuck with checks, millers fuck with checks and can confirm mafia as town / town as mafia to dts, millers can lead to dts getting town lynched, + sanities means that the hosts would have actively been balancing this game in gross favour of scum.
Why have two fucked up sanity dts when you have that many other ways to screw with dt checks? Paranoid dt and self aware miller given the flips we have screams 1 has to be a fake claim. I highly doubt both are though as again, I find it hard to believe mafia would fake two claims. So 1 of them is town, 1 is mafia.
That leaves you + giygas as the remaining one. As such Given performance as a whole this game as well as everything else considered I have you a more likely to be town than he is, thus him mafia you town.
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On May 17 2013 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 10:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 16 2013 10:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
geript, town has played horribly to the point of appearing as scum. Given that + how quickly the first few days went with auto raping of scum its no surprise we are in this state -_-
One of WoS and palmar is likely mafia. The other is geript/giggles.
Now I say this for one simple reason. Given how many flipped roles we have of fucking with our dts (which we seem to have a bunch of) it seems unlikely to have 1 framer, 1 unaware miller, 1 aware miller, and a paranoid dt. That screams bastard hosts far to much. As such one of the two is likely mafia (having 3 roles to fuck with dts not as asshattish).
Given that I know I am town. I also think the removal of marv seems unlikely if he was mafia. As such I am inclined to say giggles mafia.
Of WoS and Palmar I would need to take a closer look at their filters. Except how can you be sure? I found myself doubting the fact that TRN was town simply because I don't understand why you'd have 2 town masons and no scum mason (The Game's mason roles were balanced). I refuse to go on host bullshit any longer, and I'm going to be real pissed at the town and real pissed at myself for believing them if Geript is scum for letting him go on for so long doing absolutely dick all because 'modconfirmed town u guise.'
Masons are not the same as shit that fucks with checks. After talking to TRN it was pretty clear the guy was town. The biggest wtf on him maybe being scum is that mafia left him alive while shooting players like artanis. Seriously though, It on average will take you 3 checks to confirm your sanity as a dt. Unless you are sane / insane and someone you checked is lynched before your third check.
Average 3 days to confirm your sanity, + 2 millers + framer that means your dt is basically a non factor til day 3 if your lucky, 4 at best. If they checked a miller ever, thats a dead townie, if they checked a framed target thats a dead townie / confirmed mafia as town. If its a dead townie (and the dt claims hes figured out his sanity and the not) that is potentially a dead dt to town lynches.
The sheer level of stacking a game in favour for one side is huge with the existence of 3 millers + two cops with fucked sanities. Especially when one of those sanities is paranoid. It just leads to horrible levels of misslynch or clusterfuck of thread.
Yes talking balance can be a shitty slope. As someone who has hosted a ton of games, I make sure I don't do crap like this unless I balance the blues in another way. We have had 0 vig shots to date, 1 jailer and 2 masons. 1 jailor and 2 masons does not fix the issue of how unbalanced the dts + framer + millers is.
I just cannot believe both of you are town. If things stay as they are currently in the game for another few hours I will know if im off my rocker or if I am right.
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On May 17 2013 02:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Are you absolutely certain that BH didn't throw all these roles into the game? Because unless you are I see no reason to risk losing the game on that kind of a gamble.
Why do you have geript as more likely to be town?
A few things.
He was masoned with Marv.
I know Marv respects my town play even though I think its shit (and i think ive proved im shitty as it this game)
Marv shoots me n1 if he knows im town and hes scum. Geript would be told to off me not rb me.
Marv would not risk a modkill that could fuck both him and Geript if he was scum. He has a bigger team to think about.
Geript overall IMO has done more to at least attempt to help the town this game than giggles.
I cannot recall a post of gigyas that actually looked like it was an attempt to help town. As such Geript town, gigyas scum.
And am I 100% certain? No, however he has 3 co hosts. Do you think none of them would go "thats fucking unbalanced as fuck"
Besides, given the last 16 hours I am 100% sure of my read on gigyas. That means one of you/palmar/geript is scum. I am pretty sure geript isn't which leaves you and Palmar.
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On May 17 2013 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
I see you removed your vote, I appreciate it.
One of the only people I was absolutely sure was town was Gigs and due to the jailing BC is supposed to be town as well. I can technically vote into your pattern BC but I disagree with you on the Gigs/geript side of things, and i still have to re-read a bunch of things before I make any decisions.
I guess you probably won't answer but what do you mean 'if things stay as they are?'
Simply put.
You, geript myself have all been in the thread since I voted. Palmar has been online on skype this entire time as well as being in the thread after my vote.
I know I am town. Every player in the game has been around since I put my vote where it is. Game is still going. If i was not on mafia they would have ended the game already. Shitty reason to you maybe, but game hasn't ended so I am using it as a confirmation practice.
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On May 17 2013 03:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
So you think Gigs and Palmar? Simply due to inactivity when it counts? Hmm.
Again I'm uncomfortable just throwing a vote out until I've done what I want to do so you may have to wait a little while. It will happen tonight though. I am tempted to wait until Gigs shows up again as well just to see what he has to say.
To be honest dude. Part of my reason for doing this now is simply this. Im gone virtually all weekend. I leave tonight in 5ish hours and might be able to get on tommorrow and then at most, voting / 1 post a day to avoid modkill via my phone. I am out at the gfs cottage for the long weekend for her moms bday and cell reception is spotty at best. I knew this and knew if I "rush" voted that either Id catch a scum or game would end. Again, all 5 players have been active, and if gigs is town game would be over by now. Palmar, you, geript have all been around since i voted and game would be done.
In my head I just need to catch the last one, and I think thats likely Palmar.
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