Something in the way GiygaS refers to his Ace reads (and feel free to consider this tunnelly/biased) as Anti-Town, whereas he has no qualms calling Shaio/Clarity scummy looks slippy to me.
When he puts his vote on Ace initially, it was for the switch from "anti" to "pro" town, which drew this exchange with rayn (read the spoilers for some context):
On April 26 2013 02:55 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 26 2013 01:47 GiygaS wrote:On April 26 2013 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Re: lynching into Ace/BC/Palmar
Ehhhhhhhhhhh....I don't know if there's a case on BC somewhere that I'm missing, but is the fact that he's inactive right now a part of the case? And Ace is looking more town in this game than I've ever seen...but frankly that is a little disconcerting. :/
Ugh. I don't like the idea. I mean I'd lynch Palmar sure...but BC/Ace? Today? Seems silly. Scum will want them dead if they're town. In my opinion the fog should clear a little bit by tomorrow. I think tomorrow is a better time to make a lynch like that.
Your point on Ace could be disturbingly true. Anti town play that caused suspicion may have made him play more pro town today, which explains his behavior.
##Vote Ace You are voting for Ace because he looks town? And you just said at the last page BC is red and Ace is null. Can you explain the logic?
Basically, I would say Ace is scum based purely off his day 1 play in my eyes,
but his day 2 sort of redeemed him in my eyes. However, it seems to me that Ace could just be looking pro town purposefully because accusations started going on him. That's my logic.
On April 26 2013 03:16 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why not let him be pro town and judge him if he gets scummy? Why not lynch someone who has been scummy the whole game in your eyes?
The place and even more the way you dropped your vote is really fishy. Why don't you want to lynch one of your red reads?
It's hard to explain from my phone. Day 1 Ace urged us to take our time, and then rushed the hammer and lynch on Oats. What I'm saying is that upon further reflection,
Ace is a red read for me based on his day 1 play. Not a contradiction per se, but scummy nonetheless in my opinion.
On April 26 2013 09:49 GiygaS wrote:Palmar:
- Starts off the day my declaring to the world that Vivax is town because of that "strange heuristic". Could be that he already knew Vivax was town, or it could be that this was his actual read. I'm leaning on the latter.
- Goes on geript, who we now know is modconfirmed. At the time however, the case was pretty dang solid, and it seems like it was good scumhunting.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote:
List of probably town:
Bill Murray
getmoript (QT thing)
Vivax
slot machine dude
hopeless
list of maybe town:
Ace
grush
cheesecake
kush
Sylencia
TheRavensName
list of who knows:
WaveofShadow
Tube
Drazak
Clarity_nl
Sharrant
Yamato77
ShiaoPi
list of bloodycobblers:
BloodyCobbler
list of somewhat scummy fuckers (based on absolutely nothing):
DoctorHelvetica
ObviousOne
Oatsmaster
giggles
The bolded here disturbs me a bit (or maybe it was just the name he gave me
)
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Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 00:48 Palmar wrote:
also being inactive in this game is unusally scummy because BH sent a pm to everyone in the game 24 hours before the game started which required a response to be in the game.
So everyone here is fully aware when the game started and reminded of it very close to the start of the game. So being afk or saying nothing is almost inexcusable.
Said it before, I'll say it again. This is wrong, Blazinghand's pm was to ask to drop out, not to confirm. No influence on scum or town though.
- Jumped on VE 2 minutes after he omitted VE purposefully (from what I got from it he meant it as a null read)
Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 10:16 Palmar wrote:
am I the hammer? Cause I fucking love hammering
##unvote
##vote Oatsmaster
Not as bad as Ace pushing for the hammer because he didn't stress to take our time, but he was the hammer(1), and still really didn't post an explanation for his suspicions on oats up until this point. He later jokingly ealaborated that he lynched oats cause oats accused him of being mafia. This is his way of shifting away from the fact that he had no explanation.(2)- Now he's sort of tunneling on VE, whom I have a town read on.
- And of course the thing I already brought up (being that he called out inactives for modkills but not tube, who was the most inactive)
(1) Palmar wasn't the hammer
(2) This "joke" came up pretty goddamn early in the thread. All the justification Palmar ever had for his Oats vote was here:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 20:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 19:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while.
I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today.
Discuss.
oh god palmar rolled scum
There are two ways of looking at your post. First option is that you're town and legitimately think I'm scum. The second is you're scum and know I'm town and thus want to discredit me.
Since you didn't present any arguments to back up your conclusion, I am inclined to think you must be scum.
So until you present a believable motivation for your accusations...
##vote Oatsmaster GiygaS twists the following post to serve his scumread while ignoring what I just quoted:
On April 24 2013 04:14 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 04:12 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax, don't fool yourself. Lynching town is never a good thing.
I beg to differ, I think it's hilarious that we killed Oats.
Hopefully other people will take notice what happens when people call me scum.
This analysis of Palmar from GiygaS is lackluster and neglects to tell us whether his read is town or scum until later:
On April 26 2013 09:56 GiygaS wrote:
Oh and my reading on Palmar is not town anymore, but scummy, but not as scummy as Ace or ShiaoPi
But wait, pop over to his filter and just skim a couple posts from that
last one. He goes from Ace/Shiao to clarity and shortly thereafter has completely dropped Palmar. I'll concede I fucked this up already with Sharrant and his read on Rayn, but I still find the way his reads seem to conform to the thread sentiment to be scummy.
If he is scum, it looks horrible to back off of a scumread when that player flips scum.
By process of elimination my top 3 scumreads are GiygaS, Palmar and BC, so my reads are liable to be confirmation biased. I'm trying to spin the most convincing story that makes my target out to be scum and determine what seems most likely. I'm headed out now so I'll finish up my bias read when I'm back tonight.
Also I got diddly from vote-count analysis so far. I blazed through Day 1 and nothing jumped out at me, considering the lynch came down to two townies. I guess you could say kush is useless as usual but I really do think he's town so I disregarded that aspect of things.
Random BC speculation-like thoughts:
+ Show Spoiler +
Artanis' case on BC is sitting in the back of my mind. I can follow where the logic in the roleblocking "clears" him. However, I am almost 100% certain I've seen a scumteam withhold a block for towncred and also BC is a decent target for 3P to take out early to keep themselves safe, assuming scum shoot at Palmar/Ace first. This is N1 speculation, not considering Ace was 3P.
EPT
