EPTso 3 confirmed scummers dead
Question is whether BM actually shot scum or not.
If he did, then Deconduo was town
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so 3 confirmed scummers dead Question is whether BM actually shot scum or not. If he did, then Deconduo was town | ||
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Im pretty keen on a MZ death next cycle with the massive AFK. | ||
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================== Mocsta -> (Cap) ->Deconduo OO -> (CPR) -> ??? (Palmar/Rayn) BM -> (JV?) -> Caller Scum -> (1 KP) -> ??? (Palmar/Rayn) ============== So all KP is accounted for; so if BM is town; scum only have their factional 1KP left. If BM is a scum night vig; scum still only have 2KP. *I guess this doesnt take into account a scum thief role* hmmmm theres quite a few role checkers left + the inventor; so I still think we can strategise checks without much fear. | ||
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so far we only got Vivax = Parity IIRC? On April 12 2013 11:57 Sharrant wrote: I'm going to say this again: Lynch StrongAndBig tomorrow. He showed up tonight not to help town on the lynch, but to see if he was on the chopping block, and when he realized he wasn't he left. He's not trying to figure out alignments because he's the last scum. Lynch StrongAndBig. This guy needs to hard claim like NOW. | ||
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On April 12 2013 14:03 geript wrote: Right now I'm having second thoughts about caller being scum. this has been my line of thought actually just had a massage so plenty of time to reflect safest assumption is that 2 scum r still at large the only reason we considered caller scum was because bm said he was justice noone actually reviewed caller filter post-mortem im gonna do a bunch of filter dives be back later | ||
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On April 12 2013 14:05 yamato77 wrote: READ: That's what I've been saying since BM claimed he shot Caller >_> so u havent believed BM all game? y have u been pushing mz all the time then? | ||
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who is jv then.... | ||
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lets say Rayn was JV.. and died because he hit a townie Great... why is BM lying? Is that lie enouhg to justify a lynch? | ||
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On April 12 2013 14:21 Keirathi wrote: The thing about BM's claim, like I've already said multiple times, is that is self-fulfilling. Either S&B dies tomorrow and flips scum, BM dies tomorrow and flips town JV, or both are still alive and we have probable cause to lynch BM. Yeah I get that. We are having conversation to solve the game, before the night ends. To be frank: If the last three people were scum; sinani; and (a town) RO. Im not sure if town would win. *Yes, thats both a dig @ RO. and a genuine comment about end gaming with people like Grush etc* | ||
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On April 12 2013 14:26 Keirathi wrote: Also, this is part of the reason I wanted sn0 to invent the Autopsy thing. I don't think rayn picked JV in slot 2. Very, very unlikely, imo. Emperor is a possibility, or something else entirely. Palmar: his insistence on his part in the VE lynch makes me think emperor. JV is a possibility though. The point of the item is to check the corpse of rayn for his role. If he's anything other than emperor, then we know that Palmar was emperor, which means that BM has to be JV because yam also tried to pick it. Or that yam is lying and is something else entirely. I agree on the palmar tell for emperor, which was the consensus back on Day2. Kei, this seems to be a convoluted way to just burn a check on JV. Why burn an invention? | ||
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On April 11 2013 07:59 Keirathi wrote: VERDICT: INNOCENT (Yes, that means he's town) [Explanation]Sorry, all this was just RP for funsies. The Lie Detector isn't really a Lie Detector at all. It's just a day DT check, with a few conditionals. It could only be used on the person leading the vote count, and it could only be used if that person had at least 5 votes. I decided to check sinani since he's borderline unreadable, and doing it now gives the thread plenty of time to discuss an alternate candidate if he is town. If he's scum, then awesome. day "DT" check. That implies role + alignment, is this correct? | ||
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and the game isnt over Then we need to reconsider Sinani; as all we have is a green check. Reclusive Traitor - You are the traitor who wants to win with the mafia. However, you are scared about being tricked and won't join up easily. You can join with the mafia if you can correctly guess >50% of their team (i,e 4 players alive, you make a 4 person list with 3 mafia on it), or if they guess you. Each side has 1 guess each. You show up as Vanilla Townie to Detective checks both before and after recruitment. Its prob being paranoid and not worth further discussion. | ||
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On April 12 2013 16:03 Keirathi wrote: Yeah, I just did a full parse through BM filter looking for this JV stuff.+ Show Spoiler + EBWOP: actually, I'll make it simple. Either you claim before night ends, or you get lynched tomorrow. Your only claim to townieness was that we all thought you were justice vig because of how sure you were that Caller was scum. My conclusion is actually not what I expected at all. Let us proceed ========================================== (1) + Show Spoiler [Soft Claims to JV] + On April 06 2013 11:48 Bill Murray wrote: ok Ver/Mason PM me I have a powerful role that people wouldnt think is powerful On April 10 2013 12:33 Bill Murray wrote: We know a maf died last night since the janitor power was used. The other 3 kills will be mafia, in all likelihood, so Caller was scum. On April 10 2013 12:38 Sn0_Man wrote: The janitor doesn't know in advance who was going to die. This logic is flawed. On April 10 2013 12:39 Bill Murray wrote: I believe this is the exchange, where people starting *assuming* BM was soft-claiming JV.I know for a fact caller was scum. Which is exacerbated here: On April 10 2013 12:39 Keirathi wrote: No, it doesn't make you confirmed town. But think about this setup. Scum has to pick their roles in a way to use them together as a team. Why would they use Showtime! in that situation? Hint: they wouldn't. Not on the Assassin, one of the strongest roles in the game. And, on top of that. And you didn't even read the thread before you killed him? Seriously? ........................................................ I'm going to go watch TV or something for an hour before I get modkilled for raging. On April 10 2013 12:40 Bill Murray wrote: talk about this after the game. Caller was 100% scum. & On April 10 2013 12:41 Bill Murray wrote: i KNOW Caller was scum... and I Can thank Geript... I looked up the Emperor role, and I thought something was a little different with MY role, but unless some weird string of events happened Caller was 100% scum & On April 10 2013 12:43 Bill Murray wrote: The supposition is that JV is a role only town will take, correct?If you all want to use the lie detector on me, I'll claim my role, and it will clear me as town. I better get some protection if that happens. More innuendo On April 10 2013 12:44 Bill Murray wrote: I have an easily clearable role. & On April 10 2013 16:18 Bill Murray wrote: Yeah, no. You're not directing the town. I am killing you tonight, unless you prove to me you are town. & On April 10 2013 16:22 Bill Murray wrote: but hey if you're town you have nothing to worry about More innuendo and very interesting stance on ObviousOne On April 11 2013 20:09 Bill Murray wrote: is austin alive? On April 11 2013 20:10 Oatsmaster wrote: for now. Are you justice vig or not? On April 11 2013 20:13 Bill Murray wrote: Hes trying to keep up this innuendo charade by teasing us *JUST* the right amount we think he is JV; but not get pissed off enough to lynch him.I am too busy to be messing with plebians at this time I will not roleclaim. I may have been lying about my kp, I may not. We'll talk about that when I want. Your votes are on OO, and Vivax. Care to explain your thought process behind that for everyone? Because I am completely fine with your vote on Vivax, but I'm failing to see why you voted OO... Was it his post last page? He looked pretty town to me BM barely commented throughout the cycle; but took the opportunity to ensure that we knew he thought ObviousOne was town. Conclusion Many of the comments BM are making are highly ambiguous. If I wasn't looking for a role; I would personally think the guy is trolling about // expressing confidence in his reads // looking for scum, by saying if you are town we don't have a problem. One of the main pushers of BM = JV, is a confirmed townie (via Austin check) On April 10 2013 23:33 Sn0_Man wrote: + Show Spoiler + Anyway, BM has now basically claimed justice vigi. I find it pretty hard to believe that he justice-vigged Caller and is still alive, but it might not interact the way I think. So I think the concept that BM is JV was to fill in the gaps post-janitor flip. ==========================================The question now is: why did BM run with it? (2) + Show Spoiler [BM Day 1 peculiarities] + (Before Gonzaw case on Artanis) On April 07 2013 11:11 Bill Murray wrote: Setting himself up to having shot Caller. Could be valid town transparency.I was just thinking about a case on Caller. He, in the past, has been one to skirt deadlines as scum. Him claiming that has me raising my eyebrows. (After Day1 post) On April 10 2013 12:25 Bill Murray wrote: I don't get to see if I killed scum last night? gay On April 10 2013 12:25 Bill Murray wrote: This completely goes against BM being a JVI killed Caller btw On April 07 2013 01:43 Bill Murray wrote: Mocsta I don't give a shit if you vote me or not Not like I've played a game in the last 7 months I'm going to bed at 1pm At least I'm not a townie fuck it On April 10 2013 12:49 Oatsmaster wrote: BM. Lets take it slow. Why would Caller(scum), use showtime(good power), to lynch Artanis(scum), with a really really really great power, assassin(good power)? For towncred? No towncred is worth that shit. On April 10 2013 13:06 Bill Murray wrote: He is obviously aware of the benefits of bus play; and henceforth; I believe (if town) this is his predicate for the Caller shot.Let's say I'm scum and I kill scum town loves me On April 09 2013 14:21 Bill Murray wrote: Odd defense. I dont recall him using a meta argument to check if Caller is a bus type player....why the fuck are people listing me as mafia? are you all forgetting that I was on the Artanis wagon? Check my meta, I don't EVER bus. + Show Spoiler [BM Day2 peculiarities] + On April 10 2013 13:22 Bill Murray wrote: I don't find this comment out of the norm in general. But consider; in Day1 he had no qualm "shooting" Caller for bussing Artanis. So with that context; this is indeed an "out of the norm" query regarding scum flipped ObviousOne.MOCSTA, why are you voting ObviousOne? He was on the Artanis wagon. Are you proposing that he bussed him? Repeated quote that is another defense of ObviousOne On April 11 2013 20:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Are you justice vig or not? On April 11 2013 20:13 Bill Murray wrote: I am too busy to be messing with plebians at this time I will not roleclaim. I may have been lying about my kp, I may not. We'll talk about that when I want. Your votes are on OO, and Vivax. Care to explain your thought process behind that for everyone? Because I am completely fine with your vote on Vivax, but I'm failing to see why you voted OO... Was it his post last page? He looked pretty town to me Conclusion Given the quality of his filter; if anything, there is too much transparency/follow through with Caller. ==========================================The double standards that apply to Caller, and not ObviousOne are weird; but by itself could be townie tunneling. The big issue is that post-janitor flip, he acted as if he didnt know the alignment of caller? Sure a JV would know that being alive = killing scum? It is not until 20minutes later when talking to Sn0; that BM displays the confidence that could suggest he is JV. (3) + Show Spoiler [Scum WIFOM] + On April 06 2013 20:55 Palmar wrote: @Mocsta: BM is scum. he adds nothing at all with his posts which (surprisingly enough) is actually very uncharacteristic for him if he's town. Just based on content alone he's really not doing much except giving out a townread on VE based on meta for whatever reason. In order to see whether there was a difference or not, I went to BC's arkham city, an old game but one with mechanics to deal with and BM playing town, and his posting there couldn't be more different from what he's doing here, or well... it could, but then it wouldn't be BM anymore. On April 06 2013 21:14 Bill Murray wrote: complete and utter bullshit coming from someone who normally posts and ISNT that I have called out Conclusion We now have BM giving out free town reads on VE & ObviousOne when they fall under pressure. ==========================================For WIFOM (an assumed town Palmar) gave a scum read on BM. Personally, I was surprised Palmar was shot; as he did fuck all. Maybe not everyone had a scum read on him; but certainly almost no one thought he was probably town. Hence, I think scum could have safely kept him around. However, this scum read could be a valid reason for a shot. TL;DR BM has refused to give out his role; but has held no reservations stringing the JV assumption along. BM has had odd defenses for flipped scum members; and in general a few odd comments. Townies dont often say "At least I'm not a townie. Fuck It" Further. I dont believe he is Justice Vig. Purely based on one post. On April 10 2013 12:25 Bill Murray wrote: ------------------------I don't get to see if I killed scum last night? gay I tried to write I think BM is scum. But I just cant see scum doing something so stupid like fake claiming JV. I actually think the guy is a *town* Night Vig; or BloodyCobbler. Leaning towards Night Vig; and thus, has another shot tonight. I think the secrecy has been in the same vein as me: keep scum guessing (i.e. they would leave him alone, as high chance he would shoot town and thus die) The corollary is: The belief that BM was JV was so high; Yamato took a chance to claim an easy VT. i.e. Yamato is scum | ||
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See post above: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=162#3232 ============================================= I tried to write I think BM is scum. But I just cant see scum doing something so stupid like fake claiming JV. I actually think the guy is a *town* Night Vig; or BloodyCobbler. Leaning towards Night Vig; and thus, has another shot tonight. I think the secrecy has been in the same vein as me: keep scum guessing (i.e. they would leave him alone, as high chance he would shoot town and thus die) The corollary is: The belief that BM was JV was so high; Yamato took a chance to claim an easy VT. i.e. Yamato is scum | ||
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On April 12 2013 16:20 Bill Murray wrote: yes im the damn justice vig. it's a role scum can't take. it would be irrelevant for them to have it, because if they hit town, they would die This makes me look stupid. | ||
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On April 12 2013 16:35 Bill Murray wrote: Geript, you may have everyone else fooled, but you don't have me. I don't want to lose another player for us tonight, and you're pretty much guaranteed that. Your faction lost one of its last 2 KP, and you're probably something like a Politician, the way you're playing. Is this a slip? On April 12 2013 16:35 Bill Murray wrote: Your faction lost one of its last 2 KP, I dont know how much KP scum actually have? I just know the KP for night1 has been accounted for..... | ||
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On April 12 2013 19:39 Restraining Order wrote: + Show Spoiler + I have no idea why you guys need to make this game so incredibly annoying to read. We're fucking crushing scum, and this is still one of the most shitty threads I've ever read. On April 12 2013 17:27 geript wrote: I don't consider catching a good scum player on D0 playing badly. Would you? Obviously so... by the way, how many scum have you caught this game? Hey, I pushed and/or lynched 3 scum so far, and you still love to call me mafia for no fucking reason. NO REASON AT ALL. You have no fucking place in the world where you can use arguments like this so please kindly shut the fuck up with a cherry on top. Dandel, you need to knock it off. Your argument applies even moreso to me. Yet that didnt stop you casting a vote my direction. You are a very negative person; and you are making this game very unenjoyable. Im also confident you are town; just an idiot town. I think you are town, because, unlike you. who comes in to just shit on people in the thread. I have been reading filters, specifically flipped scum. And VE made essentially one post with effort; a case against you. I think this was a case genuinely attempting to secure a lynch; thus, for me: you are confirmed town. If you think Geript is scum, then pressure him instead of telling him to shut up. If you think Geript is town, then stop shitting up the thread, and making people unwilling to contribute further; otherwise we will have to apply for a restraining order. | ||
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On April 12 2013 19:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Alright so how does this sound to everyone. If BM is alive at the day post and no scum has died I will nuke him. Thoughts? Thats assuming you're alive. But yes; if you are, I find that acceptable. JusticeVig must shoot each night. Not sure what BM was smoking when he said that. | ||
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if u want to shit on geript for "I have no idea why you guys need to make this game so incredibly annoying to read." Why dont you show us how its done, and let us all know who the remaining scum team is. | ||
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On April 08 2013 11:19 Caller wrote: Alright guys just kidding we kill ObviousOne. I threw the vote on artanis because mafia love bandwagons. Now that we've gotten one, it seems pretty obvious to me that people we should be looking for are on the lower parts of the bandwagon list. But not the last one. Given that, who we we have?+ Show Spoiler + Oatsmaster ##Vote: Artanis As a rule I usually try to lynch the 3rd or 4th person on the bandwagon. Since I was the 3rd person on the bandwagon, that leaves Monsieur Oatsmaster as a rather fishy hanger-on to the bandwagon. I already made a case on why I wanted to lynch him, but I don't see him as a threat right now. Still keep dis in mind plox. Meapak_Ziphh Vote: Artanis[XP] Meapak_Ziphh? Who knows. I don't care enough right now to find out. deconduo ##Vote: Shelvocke Null tell. Vivax ##Vote Sno_Man Null tell. Artanis[Xp] ##Vote: Shelvocke I don't really know what Artanis is due to lack of effort, but this follow-on vote to deconduo is pretty scummy. Palmar ##Vote Artanis[Xp] :| Shelvocke ##Vote Artanis[Xp] ah, the typical OMGUS. Normally could be a townie war, except that this is a bandwagon. Very Scummy. Keirathi ##Unvote Hmm. You want to make my life interesting, do you? 8 times out of 10 that I see this, it is a mafia trying to get town cred for not voting for obvious day 1 townie lynch. Vewy Intewesting. ObviousOne ##Vote Artanis[XP] Ah, and we get to the core of the matter. This guy has done nothing but throw ambivalency around. Yet now he's so sure that he will hop-on the bandwagonn. If you were really not sure about this and you were town, you'd be like "HANG ONS GUYS I THINKS HE MIGHT BE OKAY" and then watch helplessly as the bandwagon gains infinite momentum and lynches innocent townie #1. But nope, instead you're like "but wait guys i read his meta and came out with some random conclusions that don't actually mean anything because meta is stupid especially among players that have played this game more than three days." I actually went ahead and read his filter for those games, and I think that your conclusions are bullshit that can easily be construed as whatever you want.. Given that he explicitly stated that as mafia he would be "next time" more involved, but that he simply got lost due to large amount of posts, do you expect any credence that his behaving similar to the previous game is any true indication of his alignment this game? No. You shouldn't. And it's a dumb reason for going on a dumb bandwagon, but it makes you look nice! VOTE THIS GUY. yamato77 ##Vote Artanis I'm fairly satisfied that yamato is town as it stands. I'll still jump on him in a heartbeat but I don't think he's mafia. Restraining Order ##Vote: Artanis Strangely enough, I think RO is town. Are you gonna get a reason for it? Nope. Why the fuck would "scum" caller try to divert the lynch from "assassin" artanis to "cpr medic" ObviousOne. The only benefit of assassin is day kill; CPR doesnt need role claim, so its possibly more valuable. Caller was town. Full Stop. BM is certainly not JusticeVig. He still *may* be town. Yamato is 100% confirmed scum. Why? Palmar makes sense as emperor; and Rayn was too high up the draft to risk it all on the dreamflower. Now we know BM is not JV; how is Yam a VT. Simple.. he is not. | ||
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