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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 11 2013 18:27 GMT
#2924
Vivax.

All that means is that NOBODY knows you are gonna nuke. Which is the case.


Launching nuke doesnt mean LANDING the nuke dude .
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 11 2013 18:32 GMT
#2930
On April 12 2013 03:29 Vivax wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 12 2013 03:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax.

All that means is that NOBODY knows you are gonna nuke. Which is the case.


Launching nuke doesnt mean LANDING the nuke dude .



I know, I said what I mean in sufficient detail in one of my earlier posts. I found it odd that MZ claimed his first nuke.

HE NEEDED TO POST IN THREAD TO LAUNCH IT.

You understand english right?

Launching the nuke does not equal the nuke landing right?
Or is it the same for you?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 11 2013 18:33 GMT
#2931
On April 12 2013 03:32 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 15:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I am not dead?

Shevlocke that was a dickish thing to do.

Ok so here's the story, I have really no motivation to defend myself atm for rather obvious reasons. In the mason group we had discussed austin a fair bit and I just wanted to get him out of the way and have a productive day not spent with the three of us having to herd the cats in this thread in order to get the lynch. Obviously this didn't work out. I'm fine dying to prove my alignment, I'd rather not but I understand that to certain people who can't see through multiple layers of this game I'm still somehow a good lynch and I don't feel like spending a lot of time changing their minds.

I will spend the following section on my defense: austin would have been an excellent shot had the check not proved us wrong. He tried very hard for artanis not to get lynched, in fact he was one of the only people who actually made a decent argument against it, he acknowledged VE but instead latched onto my posts about shevlocke and pushed them hard. with the flips, austin looked incredibly bad, and rather than try and fix his reads during the night phase he instead chose to mostly lurk. So I wanted to quickly render him irrelevant at the start of the day so we could have a more productive lynch. That obviously failed. To address the people who want me dead; you have no case on me, you've never had a case on me, and you never will have a case on me. A mistake doesn't make me scum and your attempts to kill me for a very transparent mistake which I've explained just display your own ignorance of the game as a whole. I will remind you all that I was the first person to call out artanis and I never backed away from that read when the heat started to pick up on him. Similarly, I was evolving on my position on VE without any scum motivation to do so; i.e. I did so before it became obvious VE was scum.

That's all I'm gonna say in my own defense. Moving forward I'm going to continue to without addressing this issue anymore. If people want me dead that's fine, this post is all I have for a defense and it would be pointless for me to spam about it. From here I really need to do some revaluation, I was only looking as far forward as artanis/shevlocke/austin/decon but since 2 are dead, 1 is dying, and the fourth I'm pretty sure is town, I have to spend some time to figure out the remaining 2-3 (probably 2) scum. I will not promise to never use the America role again, however if I do use it again, it will be after much more consideration and consultation with the thread.

That's all, it's late, I'm somewhat surprised to be alive, I will resume scum hunting tomorrow.

Is this really what we're going to take as valid explanation for a clearly anti-town action today?

I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but if people are going to FAWN over lynching null reads, why aren't we lynching into M_Z? No one but the two people he's masoned with can come up with a decent reason for him being town, and we aren't even getting the logs that apparently make him unassailable.

What the fuck else has he done? Who is he lynching? Questions without answers, folks. Right now, this is his largest contribution to the thread, and NONE of it is scum hunting. Will he do something today? I highly doubt it.

IRL kinda takes priority you know, all the fake shots really take it out of a person.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 11 2013 18:47 GMT
#2944
Austin, the point I was getting at, was the Personality 2 was recent enough so that his meta would be similar.

Look at his play, is it scum play or irritated town play?


Yamato, why do you think we dont want to post logs?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 11 2013 19:02 GMT
#2950
Ok,
Something useful for you to do.

Explain what is scummy about my play, disregarding the obvious 180 on Sn0 unless you can tell me why that is scum motivated/something scum would do.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 12 2013 05:18 GMT
#3191
BC is somewhat slow on this masoning thing.

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 12 2013 06:46 GMT
#3202
On April 12 2013 15:45 Bill Murray wrote:
Why the fuck are you all talking about my role at night which has KP?
I'm not vigging until we have confirmation about who is scum. I'm not dying and creating an earlier LYLO/MYLO when there are like 12 town players left. I wish the host would keep the list updated. I slept the day away, so ObviousOne flipping scum changed my mood a lot, considering I've been neglecting my responsibilities as a man... and I WILL be looking into him... but if mafia weren't going to kill me tonight, WHICH I WAS TRYING FOR, you all are fucking that all up. I mean, when someone doesn't want the thread SHIT UP with their role, which I HAVEN'T CLAIMED OTHER THAN IN ACRONYM, That should be UP TO THEM, Don't you all think?!?!?! ....................

Or you are bullshitting about your claim which means you are scum.
Back your shot on Caller up.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 12 2013 08:11 GMT
#3227
I dont want anyone to listen to geript, please dont.

Thanks for your cooperation.

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 12 2013 08:25 GMT
#3229
On April 12 2013 17:21 geript wrote:
Look dude, if you want to be an asshole and get me to shit up the thread even more, then please continue. I have no qualms about getting you lynched/nuked.

But do you have qualms about playing badly? that is the question.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 12 2013 08:49 GMT
#3231
On April 12 2013 17:27 geript wrote:
I don't consider catching a good scum player on D0 playing badly. Would you? Obviously so... by the way, how many scum have you caught this game?

I dont consider catching scum a metric for good/bad play.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 12 2013 08:53 GMT
#3235
I really like that actually.

I wish Palmar was alive
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 12 2013 08:57 GMT
#3236
I really like that actually.

I wish Palmar was alive
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 12 2013 08:59 GMT
#3237
BM
Answer this properly please.
You must shoot every night that you are alive.

You said you didnt need to, expand? Did BC phrase the role wrong? Or what?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 12 2013 11:32 GMT
#3245
On April 12 2013 20:21 Mocsta wrote:
No it wasnt clear and a policy lynch with only 2 confirmed scum flips on day2 is silly to advocate.

if u want to shit on geript for
"I have no idea why you guys need to make this game so incredibly annoying to read."

Why dont you show us how its done, and let us all know who the remaining scum team is.

You fucking fakeclaimed a shot, for no reason.

Vivax still scum, I dont know why he wants a big case written against him though, seems like that would be harder to defend.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 12 2013 11:52 GMT
#3250
On April 12 2013 20:43 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 20:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 12 2013 20:21 Mocsta wrote:
No it wasnt clear and a policy lynch with only 2 confirmed scum flips on day2 is silly to advocate.

if u want to shit on geript for
"I have no idea why you guys need to make this game so incredibly annoying to read."

Why dont you show us how its done, and let us all know who the remaining scum team is.

You fucking fakeclaimed a shot, for no reason.

Vivax still scum, I dont know why he wants a big case written against him though, seems like that would be harder to defend.

I haven't re-read his filter; but to be honest, hes not a priority read to me.

I havent found him to be overly disruptive; and I think that scum Vivax likes to be disruptive in a variety of ways.

Thoughts om cameltoe77?

I could see BM being JV now actually, the reason he said that thing about 'I cant even see if caller flipped scum' was because you get your shot refunded if Caller is targeted by other KP which could happen.
So Yamato isnt bullshitting.
I would like to see BM flipped before yamato honestly, if you think that yamato is scum cause of that.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 12 2013 12:16 GMT
#3254
On April 12 2013 21:04 Mocsta wrote:
Yeah OK Oats.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 10 2013 11:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Day 2
Caller as Andrew Mellon

On April 10 2013 12:25 Bill Murray wrote:
I killed Caller btw

On April 10 2013 12:30 Bill Murray wrote:
Considering mafia killed Palmar, and Deconduo, Caller was scum bro

On April 10 2013 12:32 Bill Murray wrote:
Why is everyone mad I killed Caller? He was quite likely scum.

On April 10 2013 12:33 Bill Murray wrote:
We know a maf died last night since the janitor power was used. The other 3 kills will be mafia, in all likelihood, so Caller was scum.

On April 10 2013 12:39 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 12:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
On April 10 2013 12:33 Bill Murray wrote:
We know a maf died last night since the janitor power was used. The other 3 kills will be mafia, in all likelihood, so Caller was scum.


The janitor doesn't know in advance who was going to die. This logic is flawed.

I know for a fact caller was scum.

I will be patient.

As it is possible; he could be someone who writes posts before looking @ PM.

In review of the above: the chain of posts before he talks to Sno "knowing caller was scum" doesnt logically flow to me that he was aware.
But then again, he coulda been trying to protect the role/identity.

hmmm; I will be patient and wait the 24hrs.

Still reviewing filters of VE/OO/Artanis for leads.


Huh? I dont think Caller is scum but I dont see what this has to do with his claim.

BM is BM, who knows what he does.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 12 2013 12:39 GMT
#3257
On April 12 2013 21:30 Mocsta wrote:
Oats

Can you u give me a quick run down of points that stick out to u with Vivax?

Artanis makes some weird reasons for Vivax being town in his "final list" post.
Its a lot more justified town read, than what he did for deconduo (who im thinking is town currently). So its raising an alarm bell.


Well first he proposes a plan that doesnt actually help town all that much and he shits on me for criticizing it. Also he says he agrees with Rayn's list of townie dudes but in the end, Rayn is the only dude in both groups. Also n1 isnt him. Why not? WHO KNOWS.

He then does NOTHING during the drafting phase, post right after the drafting list is released is
On April 05 2013 20:07 Vivax wrote:
Not really, I think the current game is a mess and a pain to read, and the game could have been much better if people followed the d1 plan. I'll just let the big boys fix that while swimming in this ocean of mental excrements.Not feeling motivated to do much currently. I might take a look at the numbers and try to riddle which people were "too lucky to be town", and correlate it to their attitudes towards each other.

@ mocsta


Didn't agree with all of rayn's list, sharrant for example. But yamato, you and geript were good calls imo. And I don't think scum would play like rayn did, it's that simple.


Yeah which is a really lazy attitude to have and doesnt fit with town Vivax's "I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE ALL WRONG MENTALITY.

I dont see that at all in this game.

Basically Vivax having no impact is scum vivax.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 12 2013 12:56 GMT
#3261
On April 12 2013 21:51 Vivax wrote:
Yes I'm scum who started to hardbus OO during N1, now that you didn't lynch me to expect a check it's time to shoot me

clap
clap
clap

Hard bus OO means this?
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 11 2013 10:08 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 09:53 Mocsta wrote:
On April 11 2013 09:41 Vivax wrote:
On April 11 2013 09:39 Mocsta wrote:
o vivax thats a twist of events

austin wasnt the strongest scum.cndidate going forward.today

to release the check is protown as its meant to remove an option from discussion so we can focus better


What if I fakeclaim, oh look I tried to pick cop it wasn't available sowwy I'm just a VT.

Nothing going to change if I claim. Scum can lie, and it doesn't make anyone town. I'd rather show I'm town through my actions, not help scum choose their NK targets.

Thats not a response to what i said.

I commented that u think austin and kei and sno doing a power play.

U talkjng about the claim. Im not asking u to claim. Im just saying u r the hold up.


I don't leave any stone unturned. I don't have enough base to claim they're doing powerplay, but I have a base to say hat MZ and OO look really really really scummy.

On April 11 2013 01:39 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta let's lynch ObviousOne.
That'd be real gangsta.

On April 10 2013 07:32 Vivax wrote:
I do agree on ObviousOne though, I noticed that he only spent time bullshitting around after posting his Artanis case. Looks to me like he only posted it to look good.

Here, filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&currentpage=73#1456

He was also the 7th or 8th to vote for him, and the fact he felt the need to post such an extensive case only makes him look worse when he could have simply sheeped or pushed others to vote for him.

If you shoot OO you're the next hero.

On April 10 2013 11:34 Vivax wrote:
I wanna lynch Sno_Man or OO. I'm starting to find Mocsta interesting.

I don't think austin is a good target for nuke, he's talkative enough and doesn't troll.

On April 12 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote:
Question: S & B claimed that MZ is town america, but where's the D1 nuke then?

I can currently just support a shot on OO, he's scum.

Rereading Sharrant and BM now since MZ and S & B seem to be off the hook.

On April 12 2013 03:05 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta is not scum he doesn't do abrasive shit as scum, go read Personality 2, he was nice and reasonable, and he didn't try to jump into your face with what he had to say.

Lynch ObviousOne.

On April 12 2013 03:12 Vivax wrote:
I don't care about mocsta either way. OO best lynch, he scum tryin to look good with his cases but no interest whatsoever in pursuing what he claims to believe.

On April 12 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't want him to get lynched before OO that's for sure. If someone plans to switches to me and Sharrant he might hinder OO's lynch.



Shouting OO is scum isnt a bus, I doubt ANYONE was swayed by your arguments, so cheap town cred to a lynch that already was happening.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 12 2013 13:06 GMT
#3266
On April 12 2013 22:05 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 21:56 Mocsta wrote:
Nice delurk Vivax

What has hard bussing got to do with being town or scum?

I dont recall you having any presence this game to get a wagon started; so your point is moot.

So Vivax. Caller scum or town?


Caller town. I already said that if janitor is used I'd assume every death was a townie to simplify things. They can basically only use it to discredit vigis or let jubjubs argue that 1 scum is already dead.

So there are many scum right?

Where are your reads bro?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 12 2013 13:07 GMT
#3267
On April 12 2013 22:04 Vivax wrote:
Oh, you. Conveniently leaving out my arguments.

Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 21:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 12 2013 21:51 Vivax wrote:
Yes I'm scum who started to hardbus OO during N1, now that you didn't lynch me to expect a check it's time to shoot me

clap
clap
clap

Hard bus OO means this?
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 11 2013 10:08 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 09:53 Mocsta wrote:
On April 11 2013 09:41 Vivax wrote:
On April 11 2013 09:39 Mocsta wrote:
o vivax thats a twist of events

austin wasnt the strongest scum.cndidate going forward.today

to release the check is protown as its meant to remove an option from discussion so we can focus better


What if I fakeclaim, oh look I tried to pick cop it wasn't available sowwy I'm just a VT.

Nothing going to change if I claim. Scum can lie, and it doesn't make anyone town. I'd rather show I'm town through my actions, not help scum choose their NK targets.

Thats not a response to what i said.

I commented that u think austin and kei and sno doing a power play.

U talkjng about the claim. Im not asking u to claim. Im just saying u r the hold up.


I don't leave any stone unturned. I don't have enough base to claim they're doing powerplay, but I have a base to say hat MZ and OO look really really really scummy.

On April 11 2013 01:39 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta let's lynch ObviousOne.
That'd be real gangsta.

On April 10 2013 07:32 Vivax wrote:
I do agree on ObviousOne though, I noticed that he only spent time bullshitting around after posting his Artanis case. Looks to me like he only posted it to look good.

Here, filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&currentpage=73#1456

He was also the 7th or 8th to vote for him, and the fact he felt the need to post such an extensive case only makes him look worse when he could have simply sheeped or pushed others to vote for him.

If you shoot OO you're the next hero.

On April 10 2013 11:34 Vivax wrote:
I wanna lynch Sno_Man or OO. I'm starting to find Mocsta interesting.

I don't think austin is a good target for nuke, he's talkative enough and doesn't troll.

On April 12 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote:
Question: S & B claimed that MZ is town america, but where's the D1 nuke then?

I can currently just support a shot on OO, he's scum.

Rereading Sharrant and BM now since MZ and S & B seem to be off the hook.

On April 12 2013 03:05 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta is not scum he doesn't do abrasive shit as scum, go read Personality 2, he was nice and reasonable, and he didn't try to jump into your face with what he had to say.

Lynch ObviousOne.

On April 12 2013 03:12 Vivax wrote:
I don't care about mocsta either way. OO best lynch, he scum tryin to look good with his cases but no interest whatsoever in pursuing what he claims to believe.

On April 12 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't want him to get lynched before OO that's for sure. If someone plans to switches to me and Sharrant he might hinder OO's lynch.



Shouting OO is scum isnt a bus, I doubt ANYONE was swayed by your arguments, so cheap town cred to a lynch that already was happening.



Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 02:06 Vivax wrote:
On April 11 2013 02:00 Sn0_Man wrote:
On April 11 2013 01:39 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta let's lynch ObviousOne.
That'd be real gangsta.


What would be gangsta about it?

Why do you wish to be gangsta?

How will it help town win this mafia game?


He expressed interest into VE when he got under pressure, promised to look into him, never did.But was fine with throwing around his other two reads.

+ Show Spoiler +

VE: I've been aware he's in two games since I am/was on the replacement list for his other game (Noir Mini I) so I expect this game to suffer more due to the nature of Noir being instant majority. I'll review him as we approach the midpoint of day so there's hopefully something more there.
Keirathi: I'm more green than null on Kei, but that's more bias based on how I perceive him as a person than a player so now that he's finished jerking off for 12 hours straight [lol take a nap, dude] should be able to identify if my bias is clouding my perception of him.
RO: He's another one I will want to review before the midpoint of day. I believe I mentioned earlier his D0 was more helpful/proactive than he was all game in LX [my opinion, didn't review LX] so he's at least Null.


He started summarizing inconclusive meta points about Artanis when he got under pressure

+ Show Spoiler +
@Gonzaw:

Artanis[XP] mafia meta highlights based on his one recorded scum game in the database: Haunted Mafia
- Replaced into game at P64
- GG out P116
- Total of perhaps 8 "useful" posts over 50 pages

Characteristics I picked out from Haunted [2010]:
- Makes summaries {conglomerations of players posts} with blanket statements regarding alignment - I used to do this all the time especially in my earliest games
- Feigned/Real inactivity/unavailability - not necessarily a scum tell but a useful scum tool
- Offers to be "helpful" for a period of time - not taking the initiative and doing something useful himself
- Defensive stance - possibly a product of being under suspicion when being replaced in, but in this game was used to misdirect suspicion on lurkers to non-mafia faction

I'm looking for something more recent, but Artanis tends to host games rather than play... search filter only went back to March 2012 and the database shows no scum games other than Haunted.


to show up the day after as 8th to vote for him with an extensive meta case, but barely considering what had been happening in the thread, and never pushing for any lynch despite posting such a huge case (which was at a weird time cause Artanis was already dead, basically, and imo he only posted it to look good after flip.


Oh my apologies, but apparently you agree with my point. That was easy
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