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On April 13 2013 02:13 Restraining Order wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 02:10 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 02:05 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 13 2013 02:00 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote: Wat about shelvocke?
PS: M_Z is hard confirmed green unless godfather because SnB/M_Z is too many scum (assuming one is BM/Caller) and they both have roles that aren't traitor. Maybe I'll check Shelvocke instead. Also, it should be noted that any red check should be lynched tomorrow, no questions asked. If that person ends up not flipping scum, that means that RO is using framing and therefor is scum. Lynch him the next day. Well, red checks can also mean the checker is scum but that is fine because we know who he is as well. This game is so nigh-unloseable that I want to invent KP just to speed it up. KP is the "faster" option. But really, its almost always better to play it safe. Right now its either 12-1, or 11-2. Assuming scum still has an active KP role to use (which might not be the case), at most 3 people should die tonight. Which gives us 2 more lynches and nights (at least) before LYLO. No need to get hasty, especially when we apparently have so many investigation roles. Every extra KP used at this point just makes us that much more likely to lose because people are impatient. I don't think a compuslive day-justicevig gun would be a bad invention. Maybe, if it was given to a suspect that we aren't checking tonight. Like Shelvocke? And as long as he listens to town on who to shoot.
I still think its silly to throw away townies just for a check though. Why not just have a check? :o
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On April 13 2013 02:16 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 02:10 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 02:05 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 13 2013 02:00 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote: Wat about shelvocke?
PS: M_Z is hard confirmed green unless godfather because SnB/M_Z is too many scum (assuming one is BM/Caller) and they both have roles that aren't traitor. Maybe I'll check Shelvocke instead. Also, it should be noted that any red check should be lynched tomorrow, no questions asked. If that person ends up not flipping scum, that means that RO is using framing and therefor is scum. Lynch him the next day. Well, red checks can also mean the checker is scum but that is fine because we know who he is as well. This game is so nigh-unloseable that I want to invent KP just to speed it up. KP is the "faster" option. But really, its almost always better to play it safe. Right now its either 12-1, or 11-2. Assuming scum still has an active KP role to use (which might not be the case), at most 3 people should die tonight. Which gives us 2 more lynches and nights (at least) before LYLO. No need to get hasty, especially when we apparently have so many investigation roles. Every extra KP used at this point just makes us that much more likely to lose because people are impatient. There is actually a disaster situation where BM is scum "injustice vigi" who shoots town, Sinani is scum vote rigger covered by godfather, and yamato/shelvocke are BOTH traitors. Then we lose to 2x NK, then Vote rig, then 2x NK. Buuuuut thats not likely. Still, inventing KP does prevent it  TBH inventing KP seems fine to me, so long as BC lets me and I can give it to somebody who won't go crazy with it (*cough* geript *cough). I'd say there is absolutely no chance you die tonight Kei given that you can't recieve inventions and you have the weakest cop check around atm (except maybe mocsta). Well, hopefully I don't. But people listen to me, which is just as dangerous, if not moreso, than a check.
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On April 13 2013 02:18 Restraining Order wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 02:15 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 02:13 Restraining Order wrote:On April 13 2013 02:10 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 02:05 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 13 2013 02:00 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 01:56 Sn0_Man wrote: Wat about shelvocke?
PS: M_Z is hard confirmed green unless godfather because SnB/M_Z is too many scum (assuming one is BM/Caller) and they both have roles that aren't traitor. Maybe I'll check Shelvocke instead. Also, it should be noted that any red check should be lynched tomorrow, no questions asked. If that person ends up not flipping scum, that means that RO is using framing and therefor is scum. Lynch him the next day. Well, red checks can also mean the checker is scum but that is fine because we know who he is as well. This game is so nigh-unloseable that I want to invent KP just to speed it up. KP is the "faster" option. But really, its almost always better to play it safe. Right now its either 12-1, or 11-2. Assuming scum still has an active KP role to use (which might not be the case), at most 3 people should die tonight. Which gives us 2 more lynches and nights (at least) before LYLO. No need to get hasty, especially when we apparently have so many investigation roles. Every extra KP used at this point just makes us that much more likely to lose because people are impatient. I don't think a compuslive day-justicevig gun would be a bad invention. Maybe, if it was given to a suspect that we aren't checking tonight. Like Shelvocke? And as long as he listens to town on who to shoot. I still think its silly to throw away townies just for a check though. Why not just have a check? :o Because there's a dude that flipped having "gf" as a role extra. Nothing to say other mafia can't get that addition too. Imagine you end up with 10 people and greenchecks on all of them. Then you suddenly wish you had a gun. The reason I'm not quite as worried about this is that I think there's a decent chance our last scum is between one of Mocsta and S&B. Why, you ask?
Because Sharrant had a good point. Why did scum pick Assassin without a way to check roles? Did they just hope to get enough roleclaims to keep shooting? That is possible, but it seems like a poor picking strategy as scum to rely on town to do something that it doesn't necessarily want to do.
Also, I have no reason to believe that different theme character classes can get the same bonuses. At least not at this point. Assassin was probably the "gangster" archetype. Neither capitalist or DT would be. *MAYBE* they would for some reason get a GF bonus, but I kind of doubt it.
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On April 13 2013 02:21 geript wrote: Look, I've made this point all day 2. People have been treating Sn0 as confirmed town for doing fuck nothing all game. But because he got a "green check" that makes him confirmed town... Fuck that. I caught and outed VE on D0. Before we could even vote. Of course I want to be considered confirmed town for that. Of course I'm pissed that people have denied me that. As Scum is there any serious reason for my D2 play? Has my play fit my town meta? Has my play in any way resembled the last game?
It's obvious that I'm pissed off towny. There's no reason for me not to blend D2 as scum. None. I could likely have made weak cases and got ignored all game. I wish I were NRA agent so anyone dumb enough to check me would get the fate they deserve for stupidity. I've given you like 10 reasons why sn0 is town. And it has nothing to do with the green check, that was just icing on top of the cake.
You just keep harping that he isn't treating you like confirmed town so he must be scum. It doesn't work like that. Get over it.
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Anyways, I have to take off for a few hours. Don't self destruct while I'm gone please.
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Confirming that I got invited to mason circle. Still afk, can't read it yet.
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MAfia, whoever you are, please grant me a wish. Let me live tonight so that Herriot can compulsive vig me. Please, I have never wanted anything more in my life.
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On April 13 2013 04:50 Sn0_Man wrote: I await your concession. If you wish to waste everybody's time that is your prerogative.
If you are actually town that will be revealed decently shortly (since I assume you will use the invention almost immediately).
I actually wish I hadn't mentioned that it was going to you on the off chance that you are town and scum shoots you to prevent the invention from being used, but your posting recently has precluded me from believing that possible.
As I said, town geript is much better than this. That's the problem. Town geript isn't better than this, because I'm almost positive this is town geript.
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On April 13 2013 04:50 Sn0_Man wrote: I actually wish I hadn't mentioned that it was going to you on the off chance that you are town and scum shoots you to prevent the invention from being used, but your posting recently has precluded me from believing that possible. . This actually a big concern. I recommend you WIFOM who to give it to between RO/yam/shelvocke/whoever.
If geript dies and I stay alive, they can shoot me. Otherwise it's their choice.
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On April 13 2013 05:06 Ace wrote: this is almost as good as the TV show Hi shelvocke <3
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On April 13 2013 07:10 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 06:31 strongandbig wrote:On April 13 2013 06:29 geript wrote:On April 13 2013 06:07 yamato77 wrote:On April 13 2013 05:53 geript wrote: Why isn't anyone commenting on my points against Scumrathi? Because if Keir is scum, he's playing the scum game OF HIS LIFE. If that's the case then why not try to give me a better target or convince Sno to do a different invention? Why not give reasons for me being wrong? because you are fucking retarded you ignored everything anyone said all day yesterday we no longer have any rational expectation that you will listen to us therefore it is no longer worthwhile to engage you If that's how you feel be prepared to read cases on yourself and Keirathi all next cycle. It's totes gonna happen. I thought you were just going to shoot me?
Make it easy.
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On April 13 2013 09:53 Bill Murray wrote: i sent in a kill on geript hope you all dont mind ^^ Please, please, please change it to S&B.
Sn0 is giving a justice vig gun to geript tomorrow.
You shooting S&B gives us information about 4 people and maybe ends the game.
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Something I've been pondering:
BM says his role was renamed to Injustice Vig. What does that imply?
A justice vig can only shoot scum, or he dies. Can an Injustice Vig only shoot town, or he dies? If he's town, that's a terrible "character theme" power. But it could make the JV role pickable for scum, if they were thorough enough to ask about it before the picking phase ended.
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On April 13 2013 11:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 11:08 Keirathi wrote: Something I've been pondering:
BM says his role was renamed to Injustice Vig. What does that imply?
A justice vig can only shoot scum, or he dies. Can an Injustice Vig only shoot town, or he dies? If he's town, that's a terrible "character theme" power. But it could make the JV role pickable for scum, if they were thorough enough to ask about it before the picking phase ended. Thats the biggest bunch of WIFOM malarkey I have read this game. It's not WIFOM, it's speculation.
Something is weird about BM, you can't deny that.
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On April 13 2013 12:02 geript wrote: Ok, so Kei, can you understand why I could be suspicious of you? Of course I can.
I said so in my filter like 2 days ago.
But you only got suspicious of me because I refuse to call you confirmed town and argued with you about sn0. So lol.
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On April 13 2013 12:04 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 11:59 Keirathi wrote:On April 13 2013 11:42 Mocsta wrote:On April 13 2013 11:08 Keirathi wrote: Something I've been pondering:
BM says his role was renamed to Injustice Vig. What does that imply?
A justice vig can only shoot scum, or he dies. Can an Injustice Vig only shoot town, or he dies? If he's town, that's a terrible "character theme" power. But it could make the JV role pickable for scum, if they were thorough enough to ask about it before the picking phase ended. Thats the biggest bunch of WIFOM malarkey I have read this game. It's not WIFOM, it's speculation. Something is weird about BM, you can't deny that. It is, but I investing time to ponder that situation is ridiculous. I put in a lot of time yesterday going through his filter, to come to the conclusion. If BM wasnt JV; as town, he would call out Yam as lying. So either, both are town; or both are scum. So i find the endeavor pointless because we all know, the JV role is self-fulfilling. We will know Day 2 which of the above 2 possibilities is validated. It becomes less self-fullfilling when he claims he doesn't have to shoot every night. And claims that he isn't called a Justice Vigilanted, but is called an Injustice Vigilante. I wasn't making that shit up, but you apparently missed that part of the thread because you came back AFTER HE CLAIMED wondering why he didn't claim yet.
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Oh, I misremembered exactly what you said:
On April 12 2013 20:40 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 11:19 Caller wrote:Alright guys just kidding we kill ObviousOne. I threw the vote on artanis because mafia love bandwagons. Now that we've gotten one, it seems pretty obvious to me that people we should be looking for are on the lower parts of the bandwagon list. But not the last one. Given that, who we we have? + Show Spoiler + Oatsmaster ##Vote: Artanis As a rule I usually try to lynch the 3rd or 4th person on the bandwagon. Since I was the 3rd person on the bandwagon, that leaves Monsieur Oatsmaster as a rather fishy hanger-on to the bandwagon. I already made a case on why I wanted to lynch him, but I don't see him as a threat right now. Still keep dis in mind plox. Meapak_Ziphh Vote: Artanis[XP] Meapak_Ziphh? Who knows. I don't care enough right now to find out. deconduo ##Vote: Shelvocke Null tell. Vivax ##Vote Sno_Man Null tell. Artanis[Xp] ##Vote: Shelvocke I don't really know what Artanis is due to lack of effort, but this follow-on vote to deconduo is pretty scummy. Palmar ##Vote Artanis[Xp] :| Shelvocke ##Vote Artanis[Xp] ah, the typical OMGUS. Normally could be a townie war, except that this is a bandwagon. Very Scummy. Keirathi ##Unvote Hmm. You want to make my life interesting, do you? 8 times out of 10 that I see this, it is a mafia trying to get town cred for not voting for obvious day 1 townie lynch. Vewy Intewesting. ObviousOne ##Vote Artanis[XP] Ah, and we get to the core of the matter. This guy has done nothing but throw ambivalency around. Yet now he's so sure that he will hop-on the bandwagonn. If you were really not sure about this and you were town, you'd be like "HANG ONS GUYS I THINKS HE MIGHT BE OKAY" and then watch helplessly as the bandwagon gains infinite momentum and lynches innocent townie #1. But nope, instead you're like "but wait guys i read his meta and came out with some random conclusions that don't actually mean anything because meta is stupid especially among players that have played this game more than three days." I actually went ahead and read his filter for those games, and I think that your conclusions are bullshit that can easily be construed as whatever you want.. Given that he explicitly stated that as mafia he would be "next time" more involved, but that he simply got lost due to large amount of posts, do you expect any credence that his behaving similar to the previous game is any true indication of his alignment this game? No. You shouldn't. And it's a dumb reason for going on a dumb bandwagon, but it makes you look nice! VOTE THIS GUY. yamato77 ##Vote Artanis I'm fairly satisfied that yamato is town as it stands. I'll still jump on him in a heartbeat but I don't think he's mafia. Restraining Order ##Vote: Artanis Strangely enough, I think RO is town. Are you gonna get a reason for it? Nope. Why the fuck would "scum" caller try to divert the lynch from "assassin" artanis to "cpr medic" ObviousOne. The only benefit of assassin is day kill; CPR doesnt need role claim, so its possibly more valuable. Caller was town. Full Stop.BM is certainly not JusticeVig. He still *may* be town. Yamato is 100% confirmed scum. Why?Palmar makes sense as emperor; and Rayn was too high up the draft to risk it all on the dreamflower. Now we know BM is not JV; how is Yam a VT. Simple.. he is not. ]
That was the weird post, because BM already hard claimed JV. I guess you did decide later that he was JV.
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On April 13 2013 12:15 Mocsta wrote: I saw he called himself Injustice Vig.
U want me to burn a check on him instead then?
Mine is role check after all. Not necessary.
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I checked BM.
He is scum.
##Vote: Bill Murray
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