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I thought u were town, until you went bat shit stupid and 180'd blatantly without a discrete flow of logic to back it up. Its pretty clear what I said. 10min you were dead set on artanis. Then you set him up to give you a read on sinani. He gives you a carbon copy of someone elses case. you unvote artanis based on sharing the same read. wtf type of shit is that. so yeah, my read is evolving as new context comes to bear. | ||
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On April 08 2013 19:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Artanis is being reasonable, let him talk Mocsta. Mocsta, NOTHING IS PERSONAL. try and step back and not PISS EVERYONE IN THE GAME OFF. How about Mocsta, you give a lynch target that hasnt really been bounced around and we talk about it? Didnt you notice i tried to arrange a time to talk to him? I am open to changing my view; the difference with yam is that there is no flow from how he went gung ho art, to dropping it all together. His willingness to lynch Shevlocke, has got be at loggerheads. Both can't be scum; and the top two candidates I believe were Artanis/Shevlocke. If you want someone else to talk about, its difficult, many have skated by without posting. E.g. BM has done bugger all; and Vivax is worse in that regard. Yeah, they seem scummy; but do we actually have enough to give a proper case vs a policy lynch. Would you consider a policy lynch; on your favourite from last night: Vivax/Ghor. | ||
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On April 08 2013 20:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Is yam scum? Or would you prefer him not to do those things again? What policy lynch? I think he is scum. I dont care what reasoning you use to lynch him(Vivax) Mocsta. BM has been so retarded. I dont have a read on him other than 'too retarded to me mafia' which might be wrong. Also Palmar called him scum, and Im not feeling Palmar's townieness. What do you think about Palmar? Im ok with Palmar right now; if im alive day 2, and he hasnt changed - different story. Remember in nomination, you put some marv quote about palmar and his activity day1 - its simply not indicative of alignment for him. After dinner, I am going to review Vivax/Shevlocke/Artanis/Sinani. The lynch should probably be out of those 4. I want BM in there, but its too many ppl to deeply filter, and your right, maybe hes just a troll. As for yam; i dunno.. i would prefer him to not do those things again.. I dont have a problem him wanting to change lynch to Sinani; its that he did it because Artanis supported it *AND* there was no progression of him thinking Artanis was town. Thats just blatantly odd. Its enough for me to revert yam back to null or weak town. ===== Oats You have wanted Vivax lynched, but have only said passing comments "he is scum" can you please put together a couple points on what makes him a better contender than others. | ||
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On April 08 2013 21:07 Restraining Order wrote: People scared of claiming, when the assassin has already shot.. And since with mafia already having the assassin, they'd also pick one of the numerous rolecop options. So, he'll be able to shoot every day regardless of your claiming. Just saying. I still want to lynch Artanis, more than ever. Fuck the stupid wifom defenses some of you guys come up with. VE also still scum. I'm not sure how good the reasons to think he's NRA are, but I'd worry about that tomorrow. Today is Artanis-day. Im not sure if knowing you are DI, is affecting my judgement. But i really dont like this post. We dont know for certain they have a role cop. If you want to go ahead and give us your role; go ahead. I certainly will not share what I am; nor do I recommend other members of town to share. | ||
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On April 08 2013 21:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I looked up Vivax' meta, Oats. I don't think he's scum. His OMGUS on you and the fact that he didn't put any pressure on anyone in the early game other than that rubs me the wrong way, but he's been picking it up since then and showing the stream of consciousness that I'm used to seeing from a town Vivax. In his LX scum game he had a lot of small posts with no real meaning and large posts whenever he thought it was time to make it look like he was contributing. His posting style in this game is very different from that. Artanis if you have the time for meta reads. Perhaps the best game to flick through is "The Game". Vivax was a blue vig; but in particular took on a completed revamped play style with more focus in general. Its also worth considering he is smurfing as "Ghor" in "Ego Mani or Noir, i cant remember. Obviously alignment is not known however. =============== Let me know when your ready to chat, and I will muster a couple questions for you. | ||
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On April 08 2013 21:56 Restraining Order wrote: It's not about NEEDING more. But if there ARE more, a mafiateam would gladly take it. In the end, this is a horrible point. I understand why you want to argue it, since it goes against you strongly, but that doesn't make it a good one by any stretch. Au contraire. DI, I much preferred your posting before you smurf was revealed. It reads now like you have defaulted back to normal DI. Which is a shame. Can we stop this line of discussion. Its all WIFOM. We dont know when the kill order was submitted; so its pointless continuing this. Traditional scum hunting *will* bear better results. Let's talk about who you want to lynch instead of yourself. I believe the reasoning for Artanis vote from you solely, was ##SheepYou only defending yourself, it's getting boring. Why are you not pushing Shelvocke hardcore yet? Prior to that, you said you agree with Geript that VE is scum; and that you would be happy to shoot Sn0_Man. Walk me through why you are more adamant that Artanis needs to go since the assassination | ||
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Lets put the past behind us, and have a fresh start. The questions I wanted to ask prior, for whatever, I dont want to ask anymore. So hopefully these ones are still of value. (1) RO was the person who introduced the concept of VT claiming. In more detail: it was claim what role you tried for, if you became a VT. - the idea was to determine scum power roles. With hindsight (i.e. assassin in the mix): Does this alter your perception of RO? (1 Corollary) I supported RO idea of forced VTs(At the time) Does this affect your opinion of me? (2) You posted prior that you like a Sinani lynch. Is this a lurker "stab in the dark" lynch; or do you think there is enough content in the filter to warrant a justified scum lynch? (3) Is your Vivax town read founded purely on that you expect him to be disruptive; but he isnt? Hence, are you applying Vivax specific heuristics - is this the case? Are you familiar enough with Vivax to even consider having specific heuristics? (4) Blanket question. 5 scum. At least one typically will have an active-ish presence. With the current game situation: Where do you prefer to look for first scum lynch. The 3-4 typical lurkers/blenders? Or the 1-2 actives trying to get influence? (5) Can you please reconfirm who your #1 scumspect is. You have identified several as scummy; but it isnt clear, who you would bank on. | ||
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On April 08 2013 22:40 Palmar wrote: + Show Spoiler + Alright people, I'm going to contribute so you don't think I'm scum. Sn0_man obviousone Raynpelikoneet Sinani206 Visceraeyes One of these people is the NRA, assuming geript's claim is true. Let's look at who wants to pick NRA. a) Mafia who wants to avoid townies going after him b) Townies who thinks mafia is going to go after him. I'll be perfectly honest here, I thought about picking NRA. The reason being I'm shot night 1 very often when I'm town. It's as simple as that, it's the best self-protective role in the game. Now the reason (aside from my position in the draft) I actually did not decide to go for the role was that I wasn't going to be posting the amount or content required to clearly paint myself town. It would actually be an anti-town role if I took it, because of the possibility that someone unsure of my alignment would decide to check me or something. So, we can safely assume that the person who has the NRA role either thinks he's doing a splendid job of looking so townie that mafia wants to shoot him and town does not want to do anything to him, or he's scum. My problem is that none of these top 5 players look like they're putting in the effort to be a town-sided NRA, so I am almost certain that whoever picked the NRA role must be scum. Assassin is another role I really wanted, but meh. Here's the thing, whoever holds the assassin role is almost certainly scum. The reason for this is that if I had the role I would DEFINITELY shoot on day 1. Worst case scenario is that I shoot a townie who doesn't die and gets mod-confirmed town, it also looks great for me since mafia assassin would almost certainly never pull that powerplay. so yeah, shooting day 1 worst case = 1 confirmed townie and a very likely townie in the assassin. Lose power best case scenario = kill scum So why not? Because our assassin (assuming someone took the role) is scum. My o My In Nomination mafia, you went from low cred, lurker-bait to high cred, near-confirmed townie in a handful of posts. In Red Teams Prize, you were clearly town from your first couple posts. What im hinting at is: I am fully aware Palmar has the communication skills to be confirmed town, if he wants to be. And so far, we aint getting any of it. Was the above meant to have a conclusion? P.S. Im leaving this post intentionally as vague, as how you left yours. | ||
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On April 08 2013 22:51 Palmar wrote: also I'm not sure we should back off artanis. Gonzaw made a pretty good case against him and paid with his life. The least we can do is make sure we don't let the mafia change our minds. I'm going to have to be very convinced artanis is town before I back off this. Thats an interesting comment. By mafia: do you infer due to the actions of gonzaw death Or do you infer, the words out of Artanis mouth? ================ You asked me for 2 names before to give opinions on. I would like to add a 3rd name. Please give me thoughts on Restraining Order. | ||
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Please give me thought on below On April 08 2013 22:49 Mocsta wrote: (1) RO was the person who introduced the concept of VT claiming. In more detail: it was claim what role you tried for, if you became a VT. - the idea was to determine scum power roles. With hindsight (i.e. assassin in the mix): Does this alter your perception of RO? | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:20 strongandbig wrote: VE is the only one of the list above geript who is a likely check or vig target but not a likely early lynch. Plus, if you look at his play it's like he's trying to draw vig shots or dt checks. He is most likely the scum NRA member.. I agree with this. I also have been liking Artanis recent relpies, they are a lot more well thought out. Im not sure if I consider Artanis town yet; but Im willing to prioritise VE. ##Unvote ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:37 Caller wrote: thats nice vivax. artanis you have 8 minutes. and what is his claim going to prove? | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:40 Caller wrote: because he's going to be bloody lynched anyways. Who knows, we might have interesting revelations ^_^ Nope VE is getting lynched. | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:41 Caller wrote: artanis i REALLY dont care if i die if i kill you. At. All. so you better claim, because your reasoning earlier didn't actually address the claim issue. If u dont care Shoot VE then. | ||
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i saw your vote for VE. Lay it out for me hunny | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:48 Caller wrote: too late, your fate is sealed. Are you admitting to be "showtime' or soemthign lol | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:58 Ghor wrote: Giving out your opinion on Artanis after Caller seemingly shot him is pretty useless, and scummy. Will you lynch Caller if Artanis flips green or not?That's what matters. Nope VE lynched today.. hes basically unkillable day or night (if NRA.. which as SnB pointed out seems likely based on his playstyle of trying to draw that attention) | ||
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This is a whole bunch of terrible posts from you in a row. He begged to be killed.. i dont see artanis doing that. very poor assertion here. | ||
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On April 09 2013 00:18 Restraining Order wrote: You are becoming a Vivax. It's really sad to see how many people decide to be Vivaxes. Nope. Your comment was incorrect; and miscontrued a point. Artanis is nothing like the Kurumi in personality | ||
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On April 09 2013 00:28 Restraining Order wrote: I can practically feel Vivax/Mocsta typing up a furious post about how this post I just wrote is supposed to make me scum. I can feel it coming. Nope; im not furious at all. Frankly, it wasnt clear to me you were referencing "anonymous vig making noise"; but regardless, there is no parallel with Personality 2. Personality2: Yamato killed kurumi and *then* claimed the kill. PYP: Caller decided to make a spectacle of the apparent death/showtime before apparently sanctioning the kill. I repeat there is no correlation between what yam did in personality 2 and this game. I stand by that. Fact is: Caller has retreated on any move he has made this game, citing "trap" I dont see how this is any different. So you can call me a Vivax or whatever; but when I see misconstrued statements trying to pass off as a contribution.. I am going to call that person out; just as others do to me. It has nothing to do whether you are Dandel Ion or not. | ||
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