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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
March 26 2013 00:42 GMT
#161
Lets put it this way: the only people with any reason to lie about not having read their role PM are scum. However, given my experiences, the 2 previous times I encountered this phenomenon, the player had in fact not read his role PM. Once was Drazerk, so good luck figuring out his motives. And the other was Ver in Personality 2, who was trying some new and improved way of playing, which failed miserably due to time constraints.

In both cases, lynching them would have been equivalent to a random lynch. I don't feel like random lynching, so lets find scum instead and IGNORE OO until he starts playing the damn game like a normal player.

I don't think ANYTHING that has happened so far says anything about anybody's alignment... except Marv, whose very existence proves he's scum.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 00:44 GMT
#162
stop talking about the role pm
if he really didn't read it we can argue about it in the banlist postgame.
as of right now it's no different than claiming "I AM AMERICA AND SO CAN YOU" and typing ##Nuke Kurumi in the thread. it's stupid and stop talking about it and start talking about prplhz
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 26 2013 00:44 GMT
#163
On March 26 2013 09:36 sinani206 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 09:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Sinaniplz:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256&currentpage=7#140


I didn't mean that I believed he didn't read his PM.


Then what did you mean?
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sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
March 26 2013 00:46 GMT
#164
On March 26 2013 09:42 Acrofales wrote:
Lets put it this way: the only people with any reason to lie about not having read their role PM are scum. However, given my experiences, the 2 previous times I encountered this phenomenon, the player had in fact not read his role PM. Once was Drazerk, so good luck figuring out his motives. And the other was Ver in Personality 2, who was trying some new and improved way of playing, which failed miserably due to time constraints.

In both cases, lynching them would have been equivalent to a random lynch. I don't feel like random lynching, so lets find scum instead and IGNORE OO until he starts playing the damn game like a normal player.

I don't think ANYTHING that has happened so far says anything about anybody's alignment... except Marv, whose very existence proves he's scum.


I agree; didn't really mean to choose a day 1 lynch target with my first post. One suspicious intro post =/= instalynch.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
March 26 2013 00:47 GMT
#165
On March 26 2013 09:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 09:36 sinani206 wrote:
On March 26 2013 09:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Sinaniplz:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256&currentpage=7#140


I didn't mean that I believed he didn't read his PM.


Then what did you mean?


I meant that there was no point for him to say that.
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 00:49 GMT
#166
Is your case serious, s&b?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
March 26 2013 00:50 GMT
#167
Fine. SnB: I don't see why prplhz's opening post is anything other than fluff... and a criticism of the trend that recent games have to create about 90 pages of fluff filters on D1.

Why do you feel prplhz's posting is scummy?
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 00:52 GMT
#168
On March 26 2013 07:39 prplhz wrote:
Yo ho ho lets play some mafia shall we?

Just a little reminder to some people and all people, something that was brought up in the latest podcast and that I agree with: it's a bad idea to have a 150 page thread after day1. Especially for a guy like me who probably doesn't even have 3rd grade reading level, it's really exhausting and it burns me out. So lets consolidate and not screw around too much. Yay!


this doesn't sound like something prplhz would say

and i think "not following your own advice for creating a good town atmosphere" is quite a strong scumhunting heuristic
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 00:53 GMT
#169
so @marv, yes.

that said there's obviously a reason that days are 48 hours long instead of 2. if prplhz shows up and starts posting again, i'm not gonna be like "you scum i ignore you booo". but as things stand now, prplhz should hang.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 00:55 GMT
#170
On March 26 2013 09:53 strongandbig wrote:
so @marv, yes.

that said there's obviously a reason that days are 48 hours long instead of 2. if prplhz shows up and starts posting again, i'm not gonna be like "you scum i ignore you booo". but as things stand now, prplhz should hang.


So you're genuinely calling someone with 3 posts right at the start 'spammy'.

Also prplhz often comes into the thread with generalised advice as town. In fact it's what he usually does as town. I know this because I researched a billion (yes, a billion) of prplhz's 'openers' in LIX when I was pursuing him as mafia.

Please also elaborate on 'suspicious interactions'.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 26 2013 00:58 GMT
#171
Yea, I agree with marv. I went back and actually looked, because I remembered prplhz doing something similar when I played scum with him in GSL 1. But, he's done the same thing as town in the past. Not always, but he has.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 26 2013 01:02 GMT
#172
I love how everyone:

Actually believes that OO hasn't read his role pm.

and

Is now going to talk about meta reads even when Ace just posted a thread saying meta reads should not be followed.

-slow claps-
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 01:04 GMT
#173
Here's a post I made in LIX, s&b:

On January 21 2013 09:46 FiveTouch wrote:

Ok, I can roll with this read. I looked up two of his recent town-games, and in one he lurked and got lynched Day 1 (Mad Men Mafia). In both games (Rock Band, Mad Men) he opened up by asking people to consolidate and not spam, whereas in his mafia games he opens in a more trolly style - in Dwarf he came in laughing that he hadn't read the thread, in Normal mini mafia 2 he spammed votes down. Similar with GSL Open.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
March 26 2013 01:05 GMT
#174
On March 26 2013 10:02 cDgCorazon wrote:
I love how everyone:

Actually believes that OO hasn't read his role pm.

and

Is now going to talk about meta reads even when Ace just posted a thread saying meta reads should not be followed.

-slow claps-

1. Do you believe OO read his role PM? If you don't believe it, then how can you see anything townie about it?

2. Ace is not god and I disagree with his opinion about meta.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 01:06 GMT
#175
On March 26 2013 09:55 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 09:53 strongandbig wrote:
so @marv, yes.

that said there's obviously a reason that days are 48 hours long instead of 2. if prplhz shows up and starts posting again, i'm not gonna be like "you scum i ignore you booo". but as things stand now, prplhz should hang.


So you're genuinely calling someone with 3 posts right at the start 'spammy'.

Also prplhz often comes into the thread with generalised advice as town. In fact it's what he usually does as town. I know this because I researched a billion (yes, a billion) of prplhz's 'openers' in LIX when I was pursuing him as mafia.

Please also elaborate on 'suspicious interactions'.


Content per post ratio was low, they came in quick succession, and when you have just told the thread that the current state of the game is too spammy and bad for town, there's a different burden for what constitutes "spammy."

When prplhz comes in with generalized advice as town, does he often explicitly disregard it almost instantly?

Suspicious interactions - I don't like how that one guy was so quick to effectively retract his vote by implying it was not serious. Especially when he didn't unvote.

This is obviously a really shitty reason to say prplhz is scum. You should focus on the real reason. But I wanted to mention it as it did influence my thought process.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
March 26 2013 01:07 GMT
#176
I disagree with his opinion about meta as well. Hell, meta might be the one thing in mafia that I am actually above average at.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 26 2013 01:08 GMT
#177
How do you expect content to be high when he's the first person posting? There's also a pretty significant and large difference between making a couple of posts at the start of the game and spamming in general (how Dandel plays, how I played in Personality). I'm just genuinely staggered you believe in what you're saying here. But do carry on.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 01:08 GMT
#178
On March 26 2013 10:02 cDgCorazon wrote:
I love how everyone:

Actually believes that OO hasn't read his role pm.

and

Is now going to talk about meta reads even when Ace just posted a thread saying meta reads should not be followed.

-slow claps-

What is a meta read and why is this particular thing that you claim constitutes a meta read a bad piece of information to use?
Why does your comment on OO help town or advance discussion? We've moved past that point, why try and drag us back?
Y u so bad?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2013 01:14 GMT
#179
On March 26 2013 10:08 marvellosity wrote:
How do you expect content to be high when he's the first person posting? There's also a pretty significant and large difference between making a couple of posts at the start of the game and spamming in general (how Dandel plays, how I played in Personality). I'm just genuinely staggered you believe in what you're saying here. But do carry on.


If he was going to be true to his ideal, he should either have apple posting and waited until someone said something he could comment on in a worthwhile way, or he should have made an effort to do some legitimate analysis on something that was in the thread. You should always be making the best case you can make, even if best isn't very good yet.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 26 2013 01:15 GMT
#180
S&B: I never said i wasn't serious with my vote. I asked marv why does he assume i am serious. Something he also failed to answer.
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