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On March 28 2013 06:56 Hapahauli wrote: Mebe. I think I'd kill Yamato over him at this point tbh. Yea he's def still in my top lynch candidates too. I just feel like no one has really talked about S&B at all.
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On March 28 2013 06:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 06:58 Hapahauli wrote:On March 28 2013 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Huh, so even without knowing what Nisani will flip you are discussing tomorrow's lynch targets? What's your point? Based on what he will flip we find a lot of new information. Like about OO who does a weird sinani -> nisani thing with no apparent reason. New information, sure. That doesn't invalidate the old information though.
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On March 28 2013 07:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 07:01 cDgCorazon wrote: Good thing he flipped town because now I can confidently say that Marv has no clue what he is doing. When you've caught a single mafia in your life, you can make sarcastic comments at me. Until then, shut your pipehole. He does have a point. You've been exceedingly useless this game :o
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On March 28 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote: I'm also probably off until tomorrow. Not sure when I'm going to have time to work on the game properly because I have a chess thingy tomorrow evening. There's too many people I'm leaning town on at the moment, which is partly down to the fact that 2 of my 3 orange reads have flipped/claimed. Looking back through your filter, did you really use "Keir is saying ':o; a bunch" as evidence of me being scum?
Like, I talk to you on IRC quite often. I always use stupid emoticons. How was that even relevant AT ALL? Would be like me calling you scum for saying 'dear'.
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On March 28 2013 07:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 07:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote: I'm also probably off until tomorrow. Not sure when I'm going to have time to work on the game properly because I have a chess thingy tomorrow evening. There's too many people I'm leaning town on at the moment, which is partly down to the fact that 2 of my 3 orange reads have flipped/claimed. Looking back through your filter, did you really use "Keir is saying ':o; a bunch" as evidence of me being scum? Like, I talk to you on IRC quite often. I always use stupid emoticons. How was that even relevant AT ALL? Would be like me calling you scum for saying 'dear'. (ok I'm still here temporarily) This isn't IRC, and at least I hadn't noticed/remembered you doing so like you have here in other games, and I thought it was odd, so I mentioned it. You know better than to make stupid ass arguments like that. What gives?
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On March 28 2013 07:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 07:35 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 07:32 marvellosity wrote:On March 28 2013 07:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote: I'm also probably off until tomorrow. Not sure when I'm going to have time to work on the game properly because I have a chess thingy tomorrow evening. There's too many people I'm leaning town on at the moment, which is partly down to the fact that 2 of my 3 orange reads have flipped/claimed. Looking back through your filter, did you really use "Keir is saying ':o; a bunch" as evidence of me being scum? Like, I talk to you on IRC quite often. I always use stupid emoticons. How was that even relevant AT ALL? Would be like me calling you scum for saying 'dear'. (ok I'm still here temporarily) This isn't IRC, and at least I hadn't noticed/remembered you doing so like you have here in other games, and I thought it was odd, so I mentioned it. You know better than to make stupid ass arguments like that. What gives? Like I said, I mentioned it because I found it odd, and it was at most a small detail in my case against you, which didn't revolve around that at all. Anyway I really am off now  It's not about "revolving" around it. It's that you included it at all.
Hell, for the sake of argument, I went back and ctrl+f'd through my games for ':o'. I had a grand total of 1 instance in scum games (when I was arguing BL on the last day of GSL 3), and like 40'ish instances in my town games. And you, better than anyone, should know that I use emoticons in casual conversation.
So, to me, that whole point was 100% an appeal to emotion. It had 0 basis in fact, and was only there to make you case look better.
Do you not see why that is scummy as fuck?
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To be fair, Acro, I have quite a few leaning town-probably town reads myself.
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Scumspects?
You literally haven't mentioned me a single time this game. Explain.
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On March 28 2013 14:47 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Nah. Need some time to make it up? Okey.
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I'm still here.
I dunno, you're questions are kind of broad. The two most important ones are the "Who was strongly opposed to a sinani lynch" (marv), and "Who was the major factor in getting the Nisani thing started?" (Acro).
Acro looks pretty genuine in how his read of Nisani progressed. And he was around pushing it rather than just riding on the vote for the day.
marv's counter to sinani wagon....meh. His point is certainly true. Sinani has <10 posts in all of his last 3 scum games over the last year and a half. Him defending sinani there is null, because he would have used the same defense regardless of his or sinani's alignments.
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And, OO, since you're here:
You were so willing to hop on my bandwagon because I laughed off your post about me earlier in the game. Why did you run off and leave the thread instead of engaging me and trying to actually figure out if I was scum or not?
For reference:
On March 28 2013 05:04 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 04:59 ObviousOne wrote: Just woke up and caught up.
If it's between Kei and Sinani I'll go with the former
Keirathi laughed off my suspicions of him early game and I thought that was related to a conversation we had pre-game where he told me to make silly cases. His response was "I've created a monster" and to me it looked like he was simply laughing it off in an offhandedly way -- as if my suspicions were just completely unfounded and terribly reasoned -- which later convinced me to drop it when nobody really commented on it.
As for Sinani I'm okay with lynching him based on participation level this game, the meta stuff doesn't fascinate me too terribly much in his case when I can barely remember he's even playing the game.
Again, I want to lynch Keirathi over Sinani. I was laughing it off. Because your points WERE completely unfounded and terribly reasoned. Your "case" boiled down to "Keir isn't playing day 1 like he did in Hydra". I literally had a total of like 15 posts in day 1 in Hydra; half of those were spam, and half were getting into an argument with mocsta defending marv/myself.
You just completely ignored me. That doesn't seem like someone who cares if the person they are voting for is town or not.
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On March 28 2013 15:27 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Alright Keir, I want to talk to you about this prplhz thing.
It seems like the only reason you think I'm scum is that I'm better at reading him than you.
What gives? It's not that you're better at reading him than me. It's that he had literally 6 posts that are equally capable of coming from scum or town prplhz, yet you were 100% confident that he was town.
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On March 28 2013 15:31 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 15:13 Keirathi wrote:And, OO, since you're here: You were so willing to hop on my bandwagon because I laughed off your post about me earlier in the game. Why did you run off and leave the thread instead of engaging me and trying to actually figure out if I was scum or not? For reference: On March 28 2013 05:04 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 04:59 ObviousOne wrote: Just woke up and caught up.
If it's between Kei and Sinani I'll go with the former
Keirathi laughed off my suspicions of him early game and I thought that was related to a conversation we had pre-game where he told me to make silly cases. His response was "I've created a monster" and to me it looked like he was simply laughing it off in an offhandedly way -- as if my suspicions were just completely unfounded and terribly reasoned -- which later convinced me to drop it when nobody really commented on it.
As for Sinani I'm okay with lynching him based on participation level this game, the meta stuff doesn't fascinate me too terribly much in his case when I can barely remember he's even playing the game.
Again, I want to lynch Keirathi over Sinani. I was laughing it off. Because your points WERE completely unfounded and terribly reasoned. Your "case" boiled down to "Keir isn't playing day 1 like he did in Hydra". I literally had a total of like 15 posts in day 1 in Hydra; half of those were spam, and half were getting into an argument with mocsta defending marv/myself. You just completely ignored me. That doesn't seem like someone who cares if the person they are voting for is town or not. Run off and leave at what point? In the hours before the lynch? I'll flesh out my mindset on this while you clarify that point. Sorry, that was a misunderstanding. I wrote that, then I went backt o your filter just to make sure I hadn't actually missed you replying to me somehow in all the chaos. I was wrong, you didn't run off. I just forgot ot edit my sentence before I hit post.
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No, you're right. Saying "I've created a monster" was totally a reference to our pre-game conversations. I thought you would realize that I was implying that I thought your points were bullshit.
But, that's not what I'm asking. When the wagon started rolling on me, you just sheeped your old bogus read because I didn't respond to it. But, I did give a response when you said thats why you were sheeping onto me. A response that you could have easily validated for yourself by looking back at Hydra (and maybe asking me which posts were mine and which were marv's, since I tended not to sign my posts like...ever...and marv forgot sometimes too). I refuted your entire reasoning for jumping on my wagon, but you didn't reconsider your vote nor even talk with me and tell me why I was wrong.
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You are wildly blowing my read of prplhz out of proportion. Maybe that's because you drew me into an argument so I started replying to specific things instead of general things, but prplhz in its simplest form is: town prplhz cares about town, scum prplhz doesn't. I've PLAYED scum with prplhz. I even went back and looked through our irc logs. He told me multiple times that he wasn't even reading the thread, and all of his cases/pushes were just made up.
(Also your "policy lynch" thing is bullshit. Scum prplhz didn't propose a policy lynch in GSL 1. But again, meta isn't about specifics. Its about broad playstyle similarities/difference.)
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On March 28 2013 15:53 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 15:44 Keirathi wrote: No, you're right. Saying "I've created a monster" was totally a reference to our pre-game conversations. I thought you would realize that I was implying that I thought your points were bullshit.
But, that's not what I'm asking. When the wagon started rolling on me, you just sheeped your old bogus read because I didn't respond to it. But, I did give a response when you said thats why you were sheeping onto me. A response that you could have easily validated for yourself by looking back at Hydra (and maybe asking me which posts were mine and which were marv's, since I tended not to sign my posts like...ever...and marv forgot sometimes too). I refuted your entire reasoning for jumping on my wagon, but you didn't reconsider your vote nor even talk with me and tell me why I was wrong. That's a fair assessment of what I did, yes. I feel if it had been brought up hours before that I would have been more willing to talk about it, but can you fault me for thinking it was possible that you, as scum, might say anything to get out of a lynch? I was around but I was paying less attention than I should have been. It doesn't excuse it but I also jumped on Niasni for not giving a better alternative so at least I was consistent in that regard. Not sure there is a good answer to this question that doesn't involve me being terrible at arguing (IRL I don't argue often, I tend to let what is, be). (phone posting sorry it was slow) I don't want you to argue. I want you to THINK. Yes, as scum I would say anything to stop my lynch. But, as town I would obviously want to stop my lynch too. It's your fucking job if you're townie to figure out which one it is. Not to sit on the sidelines and say "Welp, I voted for you. Guess that means he's scum and I can just ignore him now."
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On March 28 2013 16:08 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 16:03 Keirathi wrote: You are wildly blowing my read of prplhz out of proportion. Maybe that's because you drew me into an argument so I started replying to specific things instead of general things, but prplhz in its simplest form is: town prplhz cares about town, scum prplhz doesn't. I've PLAYED scum with prplhz. I even went back and looked through our irc logs. He told me multiple times that he wasn't even reading the thread, and all of his cases/pushes were just made up.
(Also your "policy lynch" thing is bullshit. Scum prplhz didn't propose a policy lynch in GSL 1. But again, meta isn't about specifics. Its about broad playstyle similarities/difference.) It should be "scum prplhz only cares about himself" because that's how he plays. Look, you can argue with me about whether or not those posts made him look like town or not, but the fact of the matter is, I know how to read prplhz I fucking read all of his posts and TOLD YOU GUYS WHAT HIS READS WERE. And then, I showed you that MAFIA PRPLHZ DOESN'T EVEN HAVE READS.And you fucking ignored me. That is just patently false. And you wonder why I question your 100% townread on prplhz. :o
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On March 28 2013 16:10 InsertSmurfHere wrote: And yes, you justifying your scum read on me IS of paramount importance to my read on you, because you're the townier of the mason group and I'm not going to get anything out of Cora anyway. It's 2:15 am. I'm going to bed. If you're around tomorrow we can have that conversation, but if not I'll post my reads at the deadline.
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On March 28 2013 16:14 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 16:11 Keirathi wrote:On March 28 2013 16:08 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On March 28 2013 16:03 Keirathi wrote: You are wildly blowing my read of prplhz out of proportion. Maybe that's because you drew me into an argument so I started replying to specific things instead of general things, but prplhz in its simplest form is: town prplhz cares about town, scum prplhz doesn't. I've PLAYED scum with prplhz. I even went back and looked through our irc logs. He told me multiple times that he wasn't even reading the thread, and all of his cases/pushes were just made up.
(Also your "policy lynch" thing is bullshit. Scum prplhz didn't propose a policy lynch in GSL 1. But again, meta isn't about specifics. Its about broad playstyle similarities/difference.) It should be "scum prplhz only cares about himself" because that's how he plays. Look, you can argue with me about whether or not those posts made him look like town or not, but the fact of the matter is, I know how to read prplhz I fucking read all of his posts and TOLD YOU GUYS WHAT HIS READS WERE. And then, I showed you that MAFIA PRPLHZ DOESN'T EVEN HAVE READS.And you fucking ignored me. That is just patently false. And you wonder why I question your 100% townread on prplhz. :o No, it's not. Show me in either of GSL or LIX where mafia prplhz gives a read that isn't Chezinu, or OMGUS. And then show me how that read is at all similar to how he began this game. Prplhz has more scum games than those,
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