well the fact that scum shot hapa and palmar obviously makes me wonder if marv is scum

but other than that I always have a hard time reading him, and it's especially hard to tell whether or not he's town now because if he is town he would be behaving differently from normal anyway because of the personality stuff.

so basically, null but def on my list of people to look more closely at.

strongandbig

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March 28 2013 22:23 GMT

#1622

at least 2

strongandbig

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March 28 2013 22:49 GMT

#1634

Nah we should be lunching obviousone

strongandbig

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March 29 2013 02:07 GMT

#1658

On March 29 2013 10:20 marvellosity wrote:
Of course, I suddenly have 4 votes.

Of course.

strongandbig

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March 29 2013 15:00 GMT

#1720

Sure I didn't post much during the night phase but at least I was able to respond to some stuff and drop down my suspicions and reasoning on OO. I wouldn't call that "scummy lurking".

In other news, lets discuss a hypothetical situation for a minute: Marv apparently lists someone as one of his top scum reads but hasn't actually read or thought about that person's filter. Does that make Marv scum? I feel like town Marv would just be honest and say "I haven't read filters" or "I don't have any strong scum reads right now" instead of pulling them out of his ass.

Tbh current Marv reminds me a bit of "this setup is imba so I'm just gonna stop giving a fuck" Marv. That means scum Marv.

strongandbig

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March 29 2013 16:06 GMT

#1742

okay now that it's out in the thread
I am a one-shot medic
more specifically, I am a "vanilla townie who is also a one-shot medic."

I targeted Hapa last night. I knew from asking Kurumi that I would not get notified if Hapa was saved, but Hapa would get notified, hence the post I put up right after the deadline when I saw that only one person was dead. I thought there was a decent chance that I had guessed correctly. That's why I asked Hapa specifically if he had taken a shot, before there was any indication of missing KP.

(I posted that even though Palmar died because I was already expecting scum would have 2KP; in my experience it's pretty common in 16-player games for scum to have more than 1 KP (either from factional KP or some from factional and some from roles, but since 1KP is "balanced" for 9player games, 16player games usually have more than 1).)

Now that that's out in the open, I can explain a few things.
(1) The part of my post that Marv was confused about was a direct reference to this. There's no way that Marv misses this stuff in my filter if he actually is trying to analyze me and determine my alignment. I intentionally made it kind of oblique but clear enough to anyone who thinks about it for a second and is decently intelligent, because I was planning to claim anyway but wanted to see who was actually paying attention and who wasn't.
So yeah that's what I mean when I talk about Marv calling me scum but not actually paying attention to or thinking about my filter.

(2) (I was planning on claiming regardless because I can't use my power again and having two confirmed townies on day 2 is worth more than making scum wifom over whether their shot was blocked by a medic and whether that medic could go again).
(3) I can also explain the stuff with Acrofales's claim earlier. When Grack flipped, he flipped a role with no powers, but with a specific rolename written in blue. I am a "vanilla townie", my rolename is written in black, but I do have a power. (before someone jumps on me, my role PM includes the sentence "you win with town" so I'm not accidentally claiming third party VE-style here). So I thought it seemed likely that all of the "powerless townies" had specific role names written in blue, and all of the "town power roles" were "vanilla townies who also have ____ power" with the role name written in black. Then when Palmar went after Acro for his claim of "vanilla townie" with the role name written in green, I thought it meant Palmar had a similar role to mine and had come to the same conclusion about how role names work in this game.
Obviously when nisani flipped, it proved all of this completely wrong. But hopefully this explains some weirdness in my filter.

strongandbig

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March 29 2013 16:26 GMT

#1760

On March 30 2013 01:21 prplhz wrote:

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Vanilla townie in his first post.

with a green name

strongandbig

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March 29 2013 16:30 GMT

#1765

On March 30 2013 01:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
SnB, why did you choose to save Hapa?

marv, hapa, and palmar have the best reputations as scum hunters in this game, meaning they're the most likely night 1 shots

it's true that hapa's reputation isn't on the same level as marv or palmar but it's still better than anyone else in this game

plus hapa was playing a very openly townie game, much more so than either of the other two likely n1 shots - he was cajoling people to participate, trying to organize people around lynch time, and keeping the thread moving and organized - so i had a stronger town read on him than i did on either of the other two.
i had a weak town read on palmar based purely on the fact that he seemed more engaged than i would have expected from scum palmar, but my town read on hapa was stronger.

plus, what town palmar brings is scumhunting skill, which is useful, but i thought what we really need is someone to organize and lead town and hapa was already doing that and i wanted him to keep doing it.

strongandbig

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March 29 2013 16:32 GMT

#1766

On March 30 2013 01:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Ding ding ding ding

that's worth townie points? seems kind of like an obvious thing to think

strongandbig

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March 29 2013 16:38 GMT

#1771

um what?

are we not supposed to talk about the color of our names in the role pm's? I've always understood that the rule was "we can describe our role pm as long as we don't post it, screenshot it, or directly quote large parts of it."

strongandbig

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March 29 2013 22:32 GMT

#1811

question for Ryan

what happened between the end of day1 and the start of day2 that changed your read on obviousone? He was your main suspect most of day 1 and you posted a case on him (and I still think he is scum) but at the start of day2 you voted for smurf and sinani

strongandbig

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March 29 2013 22:37 GMT

#1813

On March 28 2013 15:53 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Really, this seems like a bullshit reason to be calling me mafia.

On March 29 2013 03:12 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
So basically, people REALLY think I'm mafia because of how little I've scumhunted.

That's easy to fix.

More coming after the dealine, in 11 hours from now.

i can get down with a smurf lynch

but can someone point me towards the best-made case on him, just so I can fully look into it?

strongandbig

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March 29 2013 22:40 GMT

#1814

sinani206
~~Grackaroni~~
~~Nisani201~~
marvellosity
Oatsmaster
Acrofales
Dandel Ion
Keirathi
raynpelikoneet
strongandbig
~~Palmar~~
cDgCorazon
Hapahauli
prplhz
ObviousOne
InsertSmurfHere

strongandbig

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March 29 2013 23:10 GMT

#1827

Marv what do you say to my contention that you referring to me multiple times as one if your top scum reads but not noticing my soft medic claim means you weren't actually trying to figure out my alignment but were instead just throwing around scum reads?

strongandbig

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March 29 2013 23:11 GMT

#1828

Prplhz why do you think everyone is voting for Subaru right now?

strongandbig

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March 29 2013 23:13 GMT

#1830

Sinani got autocorrected on my phine

strongandbig

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March 29 2013 23:20 GMT

#1834

On March 30 2013 08:14 marvellosity wrote:

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nothing, it's dull and i've already deleted 3 posts about it but it's just not interesting enough for me to type about. Sorry.

Okay cool ##vote marvellocity

I get to do that bc I'm basically confirme town right now

Otherwise I'd accuse myself of acing you

strongandbig

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March 30 2013 16:48 GMT

#2039

I don't like the idea of "using the double lynch to test acrofales's unlynchable claim." A double lynch on day 2 is a huge bonus IMO, especially with so many serious and engaged townies still alive.

To acro: if you are town, you should absolutely explain the mechanics of your unlynchable role. Allowing us to waste a lynch on verifying it if we don't have to is nearly as bad as if you got mislynched yourself.
To me, the motivation to explain yourself is so strong the if you continue to refuse, I'm going to have to assume you are lying and scum.

strongandbig

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March 30 2013 16:52 GMT

#2041

On March 30 2013 23:29 marvellosity wrote:
In other, fluffy news, my other half got me (among other things) a TL hoodie for my birthday. Woo!

Sounds like you're a bit less grumpy today

I probably shouldn't have been teasing you so much.

But in all seriousness marv, it's been over a week since personality - promise you'll stop pretending to not give a fuck if you get lynched?

strongandbig

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March 30 2013 16:57 GMT

#2043

On March 31 2013 01:49 Keirathi wrote:

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If you dont want to test the unlynchable claim, who do you want to lynch?

If acro doesn't say anything more about his claim (I want role name and color and flavor, all powers, how exactly his unlynchability works, how we can get rid of him if he really is unlynchable) - if he doesn't give us those, I want to lynch him because his reticence would make me think he is scum. But if we believe him, we shouldn't be lynching him to confirm him as town. If we believe his claim, we should try to use our extra lynch on people we think are scum.

Especially because I very much doubt that there will be a second-place lynch redirection, since this is majority lynch and not plurality lynch.

I think insertsmurfhere is a good choice for the other lynch.