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On March 31 2013 04:05 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2013 04:04 Hapahauli wrote:On March 31 2013 04:00 marvellosity wrote:
Okay, that makes sense. I really wish I had time to think about all these masons and roleclaims and Acro but I'm going out to dinner in 15 minutes. I will probably sheep Hapa in whatever decision he makes, vote-wise (unless it's me, naturally). I'm not sure yet. I want to hear from Acro about this "you can't lynch me" stuff before I committ. rayn said he claimed vote rigger. Unlynchable townie vote rigger? That seems hard to believe.
Well I have no idea what a vote-rigger does. Like hypothetically you could switch all the votes and get someone else lynched. Is that likely? Idunno. Most vote-riggers I've seen are much more limited in scope (can only switch one person's votes).
Eh. Well may as well vote him unless I get a reasonable explanation.
##Unvote
##Vote InsertSmurfHere
##Vote Acrofeles
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If Yamato doesn't post in this thread, who the fuck cares about his vote? Just let him do what he needs to do. If it isn't obvious by now, he doesn't give half a shit about the town.
Also in the event that Acro is a mafia vote-rigger or something, we need to consolidate on him.
That means I need the inputs of Dandel, SnB, Cora, and Rayn on this Acro stuff.
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Well in all fairness, Acro is absent due to previously-stated easter plans. It doesn't vindicate him, but his absence is not damning on its own.
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On March 31 2013 04:43 Keirathi wrote:
Here's my thoughts:
If Acro's power is vote rigger like I quoted a few posts ago, I think it is in our best interests to force him to use it today when there's still a second lynch that we control, rather than put it off until he can solely control the lynch. (If he can control both lynches then that is OP as fuck and i will rage).
So anyways, we force him to use the power today to save himself. See who he lynches in his stead, and then judge if we should lynch him again tomorrow.
Well he wants to kill Sinani. That much has been clear from the start.
If we're going to vote him, I don't want to play any games. I just want him dead
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On March 31 2013 05:16 strongandbig wrote:
if he's a scum vote rigger and he can "rig the votes" however he wants, wouldn't that mean he could just force a no-lynch?
Well if he could rig the votes however he wanted, he could technically lynch two townies at the last minute. I'm going to assume that his role isn't that powerful though.
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Attention!
Just in-case there's a large-scale vote-rig, make sure you REPOST your votes in the vote-thread about 1-minute before the deadline.
i.e. if you're voting Acro/Smurf like most of us, just post this in the voting thread:
##Unvote
##Vote Acro
##Vote InsertSmurfHere
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rofl
what a retardedly imba role
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On March 31 2013 07:10 strongandbig wrote:yeah its a pretty dumb role specifically in this game, it completely annuls the double lynch that palmar had like we didn't even get anything in the thread saying that it was acro that used it. at least now we know marv is town lol
We do?
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For my own reference:
lol imba scum roles:
Acrofales
InsertSmurfHere
People I need to think about
sinani206
marvellosity
raynpelikoneet
prplhz
Prob-Town
Oatsmaster
Town
strongandbig
Keirathi
cDgCorazon
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On March 31 2013 07:14 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2013 07:11 Hapahauli wrote:On March 31 2013 07:10 strongandbig wrote:On March 31 2013 07:01 Hapahauli wrote:
rofl
what a retardedly imba role yeah its a pretty dumb role specifically in this game, it completely annuls the double lynch that palmar had like we didn't even get anything in the thread saying that it was acro that used it. at least now we know marv is town lol We do? Seems extraordinarily likely: Show nested quote +On March 30 2013 12:17 ObviousOne wrote:
Keirathi, trust me on Marv town.
This is not a joke, this is for serious.
If I could tell you exactly why, I would, but my role does not permit it.
OHSNAP missed that. Thanks OO
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For my own reference (Part 2)
lol imba scum roles:
Acrofales
InsertSmurfHere
People I need to think about
sinani206
raynpelikoneet
prplhz
Oatsmaster
Town
strongandbig
Keirathi
cDgCorazon
marvellosity
So yeah of those four guys, I get conflicting reads on them.
Sinani initially seems more active than normal, but all he's really done is tunnel a bunch of people. I'd say of the group of four, he's the one I think is the likeliest townie due to how Acro pushed him. I do need to read into Acro's suspicions on him again just to see if it is compelling enough to vindicate Sinani completely.
Oats I initially leaned town on for being "brave" to Palmar, but that's about all I can say that's townie about him. He's not all that active, and I hated his reaction towards SnB's claim:
On March 30 2013 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
I still want to lynch SnB.
What a clean claim.
No.
On March 30 2013 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok.
Stop it right the fuck now.
This is a themed game.
Why are we discussing the color's of the fucking role pm's KURUMI SENT?
Moving on.
SnB's claim, why/why not
Lynch Marv why/why not
GOOOOOO
since they are both in the thread
After the above, he never talks about SnB's claim again, and moves onto other wagons. Oats from here on out basically treats SnB's claim as true without any explanation as to why so.
Really the only thing Oats has done of value is to push Palmar for borderline insane reasoning. I think he has a reasonable chance to flip red.
prplhz - He's more active than normal, but also feels so goddamn detached. I can't put my finger on it, but it's off. He's coming in the thread and pretty much openly sheeping people. The suspicions that he's pursued on D2 (corazon... what?) are weird as hell.
Yamato hard-defending prplhz is weeeeeird, but there's usually something I could point to in prplhz's filter that's townie when he's town, and I've gotten none of that this game.
raynpelikoneet - He's also kinda "off." A lot of his arguments and reads are associative. At the same time, he's a lot less confident than in his newbie scum-game. Gut says he's town.
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On March 31 2013 07:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2013 07:33 Hapahauli wrote:
prplhz - He's more active than normal, but also feels so goddamn detached. I can't put my finger on it, but it's off. He's coming in the thread and pretty much openly sheeping people. The suspicions that he's pursued on D2 (corazon... what?) are weird as hell.
Yamato hard-defending prplhz is weeeeeird, but there's usually something I could point to in prplhz's filter that's townie when he's town, and I've gotten none of that this game.
One might say this is more likely to be a paranoid townie, than a mafia who patently knows he's being ridiculous.
Well he pushed Cora more because he "didn't like a post of his" rather than because Cora was scum.
Anyway, I do want comments on Oats. Because I think I'm on to something.
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On March 31 2013 07:38 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2013 07:36 Keirathi wrote:On March 31 2013 07:31 marvellosity wrote:On March 31 2013 07:30 Keirathi wrote:On March 31 2013 07:28 marvellosity wrote:On March 31 2013 07:28 Keirathi wrote:On March 31 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
If sinani isn't mafia then Oats or prplhz are mafia and I don't get that very much. There's one thing I have to look into with Oats tomorrow to check how I'm feeling. I'm thinking Smurf + prplhz + rayn tbh. You really think Smurf hard-defended a mafia prplhz on meta? Yes. 1) It's yamato (supposedly). And 2) Look, you're calling him town now. It obviously served his purpose. You think its more likely that scum Acro called out his scum buddy for no reason? :o yes, I do think that's more likely. It's so far out of my zone that I would ever falsely hard-defend someone, with passion like that. Calling out a mafia team-mate is fucking easy by comparison, imo. I disagree, but whatever. It may not even be important. d1 12/4 (Lynch town) n1 11/4 (scum shoot town, KP blocked) d2 10/4 (lynch 2 townies) n2 8/4 (town vig shoots scum, scum shoots 2 townies) d3 6/3 (lynch scum) n3 6/2 (scum shoots 1 townie) d4 5/2 At which point we have a mislynch to give. Can lynch all 3 of them, (Disclaimer: this is assuming 4 scum and KP = #mafia/2 rounded up) Have you ever hard-defended a team-mate over the course of literally 15 posts? On meta? Can you even envisage it? I'm seriously struggling to.
I guess I'm semi leaning-town on Prplhz because his "uh I think I killed Palmar" quote seems pretty genuine. And not scum motivated anyway.
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On March 31 2013 07:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2013 07:38 Hapahauli wrote:On March 31 2013 07:36 marvellosity wrote:On March 31 2013 07:33 Hapahauli wrote:
prplhz - He's more active than normal, but also feels so goddamn detached. I can't put my finger on it, but it's off. He's coming in the thread and pretty much openly sheeping people. The suspicions that he's pursued on D2 (corazon... what?) are weird as hell.
Yamato hard-defending prplhz is weeeeeird, but there's usually something I could point to in prplhz's filter that's townie when he's town, and I've gotten none of that this game.
One might say this is more likely to be a paranoid townie, than a mafia who patently knows he's being ridiculous. Well he pushed Cora more because he "didn't like a post of his" rather than because Cora was scum. Anyway, I do want comments on Oats. Because I think I'm on to something. With what? His claim reaction? Why? I spilled the beans in a single explicit sentence and there was literally nothing else to say about it, it's an open and shut case.
The fuck are you talking about?
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On March 31 2013 07:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2013 07:43 Hapahauli wrote:On March 31 2013 07:39 marvellosity wrote:On March 31 2013 07:38 Hapahauli wrote:On March 31 2013 07:36 marvellosity wrote:On March 31 2013 07:33 Hapahauli wrote:
prplhz - He's more active than normal, but also feels so goddamn detached. I can't put my finger on it, but it's off. He's coming in the thread and pretty much openly sheeping people. The suspicions that he's pursued on D2 (corazon... what?) are weird as hell.
Yamato hard-defending prplhz is weeeeeird, but there's usually something I could point to in prplhz's filter that's townie when he's town, and I've gotten none of that this game.
One might say this is more likely to be a paranoid townie, than a mafia who patently knows he's being ridiculous. Well he pushed Cora more because he "didn't like a post of his" rather than because Cora was scum. Anyway, I do want comments on Oats. Because I think I'm on to something. With what? His claim reaction? Why? I spilled the beans in a single explicit sentence and there was literally nothing else to say about it, it's an open and shut case. The fuck are you talking about? you're saying he never mentioned the s&b claim again. I said to you/the thread that s&b was practically confirmed town because any counterclaim would mean he died immediately. There's literally nothing else to be said in the thread about the claim after that point.
Nooooo but think of it from Oats perspective. Oats clearly "doubted" the claim for a while. Why wouldn't he post something about him changing his opinions?
His whole attitude towards feels more like a desperate attempt to shovel shit on SnB than a genuine "oh I guess I was wrong huh?"
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As for prplhz, I don't want to get hung-up on ignoring him because Yamato defended him.
I'd much rather hear more from him. He's capable of being townie when he's town. And I find it strange that the only reason I think he's town is due to association.
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I mean on a second lookthrough of Oats filter, there's nothing screamingly townie about it.
He kinda just went around latching onto cases and putting a show about being 100% confident that players were scum.
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On March 31 2013 07:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2013 07:51 Hapahauli wrote:
I mean on a second lookthrough of Oats filter, there's nothing screamingly townie about it.
He kinda just went around latching onto cases and putting a show about being 100% confident that players were scum. The thing I want to look at tomorrow that I have noted down to look at is how he made his cases. I have a kinda memory that he made his cases on Palmar and Acro AFTER he was asked to make them, or after someone else had made one (in Acro's case) - i.e. post-justification. It may have happened with someone else too. Balanced against this is the townie feelings that both Palmar and I got from his filter in general. I think Palmar said that he just felt pretty green in general, and I'm inclined to agree. If I don't find some really particular things when I look tomorrow, I'm still hedging on town.
Something is just really wrong about his Day 1 lynch actions, particularly how he wanted to lynch Sinani and Palmar so bad. Palmar was one of the only players that supported lynching Sinani, so that made little sense. In addition, he declares his intent not to vote Nisani, but pretty much never explains it in his filter. Like stuff like this:
On March 27 2013 22:43 Oatsmaster wrote:I dont know. Hmm. Like nisani is scummy, but there are players that are scummy as town too. SO IM WISHYWASHY AS FUCK AND CANT MAKE A DECISION. Or find scum. Hmm. I kinda want Palmar to die though.
"Nisani is scummy, but w/e."
And again...
On March 27 2013 23:42 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2013 23:36 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 23:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:30 Palmar wrote:On March 27 2013 23:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 27 2013 23:21 Palmar wrote:
I can fight my own battles marv.
Oats, you're smarter than this. The shot was a scumshot, any townie would claim it by now. I doubt we have a multi-shot day-vig that also happens to be retarded enough to shoot early day 1.
So assume I'm scum, and explain to me the thought process behind the shot. I could've probably ridden the Grack lynch out the day as scum, and all this does is cast doubt on me as someone got shot based on an early read by me.
So the only logical scenario where I'm scum is that some random townie decided to test my read and proceed to not claim the shot.
Dudes are stupid in mafia, shit happens. If you were a JOAT with a dayvig and you wanted to kill Grack.(I have extra info ^_^) WHY IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD WOULD YOU CLAIM?? If you are scum with anonymous dayvig, WHY WOULD YOU SHOOT LYNCHBAIT INSTEAD OF MARV. WHAT THE FUCK PALMAR. WHY IS YOUR DEFENSE HINGING ON THE GRACK SHOT. actually sure, that works. I forget that while a multi-shot day vig is OP a joat could work. Whatever guess I'm scum in your eyes then. But who cares really. Can you tell us how to proceed? By lynching you, and by SnB answering my question and not being a dick. Mostly SnB answering my question. I dont like dickish behaviour. grr. You don't actually have to lynch me if you want me dead, that's a completely different issue. Assume you cannot get me lynched, or well... since you cannot get my lynched, who else should we go after? Why you gotta be so mean. The problem is that I dont really have any strong scummy opinions on anyone else. Now that I think about it, Acro in Personality was a lot more 'flowy'(went with the flow) than here so I dont really think he is scum even if he is rude. Nisani seems like lynchbait/noob scum, do you want to try and change my mind? Prp is town. Umm. yeah.
Really the only explanation I could find in his filter about Nisani was this:
On March 28 2013 02:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
How is Palmar town Marv?
Also extremely non accurate way of determining mislynch.
Nisani lynch is too easy.
Only me(im town) and Rayn(probably town) pushed any other candidate.
I dont see anything going on.
Like no one is really in favor of the Nisani lynch only going like
'Yeah he is scum, maybe'
I dont know, it doesnt sit right.
On the subject of "peculiar" things...On March 28 2013 03:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im saying scum didnt shoot Grack.
I thought everyone agreed.
What.
lol Hapa.
Prp tends to disappear as town too.
In duel he disappeared in day 3 and got mislynched for his troubles.
This sticks out to me a lot. Because I didn't think it was possible at all for town to have shot Palmar until Prplhz came in and said something about possibly accidentally killing him.
I get the feeling he knows man. He knows.
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