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On April 02 2013 01:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
OO basically said.
'Marv town, trust me *winkwink*'
And he didnt have a detective role. He had a role where information gets given to him. Again really really really really vague.
This is the key. He wasn't a detective, so he couldn't get a false positive on a GF. Kurumi told him something about the setup, presumably un-asked-for.
So unless Kurumi is bastard modding, marv is confirmed town.
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On April 02 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also assuming smurf has a gun, and is scum/town.
why is the flipping world hasnt he shot it yet?
Cause he doesnt have one.
Because prplhz claimed the gun he gives makes the person a night vig, not an "anytime" vig.
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On April 02 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
Prp.(He fakeclaimed the palmar kill)
Hmm?
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That doesn't mean he is fakeclaiming.
Maybe he is town and actually did shoot Palmar.
Either prplhz shot Palmar, scum shot Palmar, or both did. 2/3 of those mean prplhz isn't fakeclaiming.
But really, his posts around the flip read genuine. I don't remember his exact words, but it was something like "uh crap, I might have killed Palmar".
Why would scum prplhz say that? It wasn't like he was in a particularly bad position at the time and needed to fake claim.
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On April 02 2013 02:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 02:04 Keirathi wrote:On April 02 2013 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also assuming smurf has a gun, and is scum/town.
why is the flipping world hasnt he shot it yet?
Cause he doesnt have one. Because prplhz claimed the gun he gives makes the person a night vig, not an "anytime" vig. fineeeeee So do we lynch siani first? or prp first? instead of smurf.
Neither. We lynch Smurf today because we know he's scum and don't want him shooting townies.
THINK for a second. Seriously.
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On April 02 2013 02:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
SO WHO IS SCUM THEN.
Smurf, sinani, and either you or prplhz.
We have enough lynches to lynch all 4 of you.
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On April 02 2013 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 02:13 Keirathi wrote:On April 02 2013 02:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
SO WHO IS SCUM THEN.
Smurf, sinani, and either you or prplhz. We have enough lynches to lynch all 4 of you. you just said prp isnt scum Wtf dude. Also, I am as townie as hapa. why arent we lynching hapa?
Where did I say that. Please quote it.
And no, you are not as townie as Hapa.
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On April 02 2013 02:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 02:10 Keirathi wrote:
That doesn't mean he is fakeclaiming.
Maybe he is town and actually did shoot Palmar.
Either prplhz shot Palmar, scum shot Palmar, or both did. 2/3 of those mean prplhz isn't fakeclaiming.
But really, his posts around the flip read genuine. I don't remember his exact words, but it was something like "uh crap, I might have killed Palmar".
Why would scum prplhz say that? It wasn't like he was in a particularly bad position at the time and needed to fake claim. ?? it was like 5 minutes ago. And this definitively is a townread on prp. Also what makes hapa townie?
That's not a town read on prplhz. That's a "I would lynch Oats before prplhz" read. Read my damn filter, I've been saying to lynch Sinani -> You -> Prplhz for quite a while.
And everything about his play? THe claim that he took a hit, how completely different he is from Duel and Mario, how similiar he is to all his town games. If Hapa is scum this is literally the best game he has ever played, AND he got extremely lucky with the "I took a hit" claim.
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On April 02 2013 02:32 Oatsmaster wrote:And you cannot apply that to my play?
And what, exactly, do you think is in your play that makes you so extremely townie?
Because I'm looking in your filter and I can't find it.
In fact, I find some weird things, like this:
On March 26 2013 23:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On top of him being stupid there is a strange contradiction in his behaviour towards s&b and smurf. Like how I want to lynch SnB for a bad case and not smurf? deal with it. Do you have town reads on both of them? If not, then why arent you asking me what is differerent instead of insinuating that I am scum.
There are lots of other things. You unexplicably bad town read on marv, your soft-defending Smurf on multiple occasions, how "hard" you kept questioning/prodding Acro but never actually had a read on him.
All those things point to you being scum, not town.
On April 02 2013 02:32 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +Why would scum prplhz say that? It wasn't like he was in a particularly bad position at the time and needed to fake claim. How in the fucking world is this sentence not saying that you think that prp is town because of the reaction revolving around palmars death.
I was asking you a question. It wasn't rhetorical. If you're so convinced that prplhz is scum, then tell me how it makes sense.
I think prplhz is townier than you. If by some major fuckup, you do flip town, I would lynch prplhz.
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On April 02 2013 02:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Read past scum and town games please keir.
My point is that I look so different from LIX and newbie where I played scum, which is a metric you used to determine hapa's alignment.
As well as Im assuming hapa's activity is the one that makes it the best scum game he has every played by a fuck ton if he is scum, which he probably isnt. Im sure he can make similar posts as scum.
Again, the point is that I again, are way more engaged than in my scum games.
You missing that is really really bad Kier.
Really bad.
Really lazy too.
No Im telling you that that sentence is giving a TOWN read on prp. Not a townier than oats read, A TOWN READ.
Imagine if I wrote it, what would you think my read on Prp would be?
Its a question right? So you believe that scum prp wouldnt do it right? Isnt that a town/not scum read? Which I said earlier and you vehemently deined it.
I haven't read your scum games. I haven't played with you as scum. I have said this before, but I almost never make meta reads for games that I wasn't a part of or intimately involved with, because meta is more than what was said, its about context and thread flow and sentiment.
So yes, I am ignoring your scum meta, because I just don't have time or patience to go spend hours reading entire games to get a feel for how you were playing.
And no, its not his activity that would make this the best scum game he has ever played. It's the fact that he's asking all the right questions, doing all the right analysis, and pushing all the right targets. His reads have agreed with mine for basically the entirety of the game except when he was pushing Sinani over Nisani after I claimed mason, and in hindsight it's very very likely that he was right there and I was wrong. (Although I wanted to lynch Smurf instead, but that wasn't happening, and I thought Nisani had a better chance of flipping scum than sinani). If Hapa is scum, he's literally hard bussed all of his teammates, which goes against everything I know about scum Hapa play.
And about prplhz, I obviously still think there is a chance that he is scum. I was asking a question that needs a damn good answer before I would ever consider lynching him before you, though. So I'm going to stop arguing about this with you, because I have no idea where you're going with it.
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There's a flaw in your plan, but I kind of can't reveal it 
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On April 02 2013 03:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 03:31 Keirathi wrote:There's a flaw in your plan, but I kind of can't reveal it Very useful.
I know.
But just trust me, it doesn't quite work out that nicely.
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Oh, in a bit of an alternative:
Why not have prplhz give a gun to one of you, S&B, Hapa (?) tonight. Then tomorrow night, the one of you that has the gun can shoot Oats. Prplhz gives rayn a gun and kills him.
That leaves only prplhz alive as "unconfirmed" on the last day.
* isclaimer: it's not perfect because mafia could kill the one of you that prplhz gives the gun to tonight. But 66% chance to game over.
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On April 02 2013 04:10 prplhz wrote:
what if i kill one of you
One of whom?
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So one of the two of you is lying.
That makes this easy.
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I feel like Oats is just hardcore trolling at this point :o
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On April 02 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 08:47 Keirathi wrote:
I feel like Oats is just hardcore trolling at this point :o I think you're completely wrong
Well that settles that!
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On April 02 2013 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sup guys? Oats is mafia.
I assume you are saying this because Kurumi told you for certain that people you shoot receive a notification if they aren't killed?
So one of the two of you is lying. I think its Oats, but marv seems to disagree. Either way, game is still pretty much over.
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On April 02 2013 09:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2013 09:11 Keirathi wrote:On April 02 2013 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sup guys? Oats is mafia. I assume you are saying this because Kurumi told you for certain that people you shoot receive a notification if they aren't killed? So one of the two of you is lying. I think its Oats, but marv seems to disagree. Either way, game is still pretty much over. We lynch Oats after Smurf. prplhz can gun me the next night if Oats flips town. Problem solved.
No.
Prplhz gives a gun to one of marv/S&B/Hapa. We lynch sinani tomorrow. Tomorrow night prplhz shoots you and the person with the gun shoots Oats.
Just like I said hours ago.
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