EPTThe Game [N]
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
Anyone who gets modkilled is eternally on my shit list. This game, modkills don't flip. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 16 2013 16:18 DarthPunk wrote: You say that but in my last game with him he rage quit because everyone else was too stupid 0_o Yeah policy lynches, lurker lynches, rng, setup speculationn blah blah bad shit is bad this is the same conversation we have at the start of every game if someone got modkilled (not replaced) we still wouldn't play with ace. in this game, _modkills don't flip_ | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
Not one I can't solve in 48 hours. ##vote thepeashooter | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 16 2013 16:22 ThePeashooter wrote: I have no idea how the quoting got messed up, but Devil and Nightmare should both be red. I imagine Devil would be some type of Godfather-ish role. Is this your first mafia game or are you really a smurf of someone i know trying to pull this garbage | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 16 2013 16:24 geript wrote: Didn't Layabout say that I couldn't use that rng though? Now I have to use my more complex one. how _convenient_ | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 16 2013 16:28 ThePeashooter wrote: If that's how you feel. I don't believe there is anything wrong with mentioning a few guidelines regarding the game setup and moderate speculation on what it could entail. Anything beyond minor speculation and words of caution would be a foolish endeavor though. Anyway, I'm off to bed. I will try to read a bit before I head to work tomorrow. I work 2-10PM EST. I think you had a lot to say about setup speculation. I think you were getting seriously into it with color-coding and name-finding and even proposing mechanics that we have no evidence for. I think you wanted it to look like you were contributing, and when i called you out and voted you, after a surprsingly long pause you backed off. If you really believe in your ideas, why would one vote stop you? | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 16 2013 16:36 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah I really like this actually. What Gives? There's no reasonable reason for him NOT to vote zarepath other than that he's protecting his scumbuddy | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 02:21 ThePeashooter wrote: I don't have to be familiar with Coagulations play to objectively view something as bad for the town and scummy. If he has a regular habit of being useless then a regular result should be him getting lynched and getting lynched early. I'm not going to pussyfoot around and say "Hey you better contribute or else!" No, you had your chance. You started posting like shit. You get the axe until you prove you shouldn't. I'm not dealing with this into mid game where its a do or die scenario and we can't justify the do. But ask yourself. What has any of those 3 posts brought to the game? They brought nothing except excess posts. It clutters are game and hurts us. It isn't just that they were shit. They were pointless and scummy shit. Pretty much every other person has contributed more than a couple of words in their posts and that's a standard worth holding people to. So we should kill Coagulation because he is both scummy and worthless. I can't imagine a better criteria. Your vote is literally meaningless. Coag's meta is to do this. He's well known, and in time we will have a chance to better discern his alignment. You think based on a couple meaningless posts we have grounds to lynch him? He's clearly just joshing around. What I find scummy is an attempt to contribute and write big posts that are actually meaningless, or an attempt to look like you're contributing when in fact you are not. I didn't like your low-quality posts on setup speculation (nonvaluable, looks like you're contributing to the untrained eye) and I like your attack on Coag here even less. What's your reason for voting coag? He made some worthless posts, but unlike you, he took no efforts to make the sewage exploding from his mouth look useful. He might be shit, but at least he's honest about it. What you're doing here? This is a policy lynch of Coag. That's literally what this is. You're saying "coag's style doesn't sit well with me, and even though others have told me about his meta, I'm going to disregard that and just lynch him anyways cause i'm bad or scum" Like, you say coag is scummy and worthless based on a lack of interest int he game 24 hours in, and also this is fucking coag. You know this wagon won't work, but here you get to look "principled" and appear to contribute to town without giving reads on the cases that matter. Why no weighing in on Geript and his scummy play (though he's simply an idiot afaik) or GoodKarma, who although he is playing to his town meta from NMMXXIV and not like scum as he was in LVII, is lynchbait since he posts slowly and poeple don't know him? They're absent from your filter. No thoughts on VE's hilarious but ultimately unuseful plan? It's more and more obvious. You're opting out of the town discourse. It would have fooled a lesser town. But this town has me. You die today, thepeashooter. Anyone who thinks otherwise has another thing coming. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
You don't think coag is scum based off of him posting a couple one-word posts in the first 12 hours of play. And even if you did, the way thepeashooter is going about supporting his case and posting smacks not of a town scumhunter trying to reel in his prey, but a scum player who's avoiding giving out meaningful reads. He doesn't want to pull back the curtain too much, he doesn't want us to see how he thinks. He knows serious engagement would betray his true colours: red | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 09:11 geript wrote: Fuck you too BH. please geript you're burying me in a mountain of helpfulness plz you are too helpful plz stop oh no wait that's the opposite | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 09:16 Kenpachi wrote: Im inclined to call you scum also I don't care what you're inclined to call me, I care that you get inclined to vote thepeashooter. Read his filter and my case-- you haven't said anything about him yet. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 09:14 Wade Fell wrote: please geript you're burying me in a mountain of helpfulness plz you are too helpful plz stop oh no wait that's the opposite So do you have any thoughts on my case or are you just pulling a geript | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 09:21 Kenpachi wrote: Is he a smurf? TPS is almost certainly a smurf. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
More reason, btw, why his so-called "case" on coag is bad. He should definitely know better. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 09:24 Kenpachi wrote: exactly what i was thinking but its a case of WIFOM here and i honestly cant tell. There is a possibility he's a smurf of a younger player who hasn't heard of coag, or he literally made his account just before this game started, just to sign up for the last spot. I consider both of these possibilities somewhat unlikely. And, even considering the apparent vacuousness of his vote on coag, he hasn't taken a stance on GK or Geript or really anyone or anything, ignoring all other discussion in town to tunnel his target. This is an easy way for scum to avoid meaningful interaction with town and giving out reads. We don't know anything about his thought-process, so of course it seems WIFOM-ey-- but his play absolutely prevents us from clearing the wine from in front of us. I'm not saying he's a bad scum player-- this is a clever ruse. But he is scum. Town would have an opinion on GK, ESPECIALLY town pushing another lynch. Can this guy really be considered to be "pushing" coag given that he hasn't tried to stop the GK lynch at all? He's putting forth a simulacrum of what a townie does. Clever, but not enough. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 09:35 Kenpachi wrote: ok your bandwagon is pretty legit. I'd call for a lynch on Peashooter or goodkarma and a vig shot the next night. No questions that is done. I think I see what you're getting at, but all ribbing and geript aside, I won't be drawing associative tells between unflipped players. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 11:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote: The thing about this analysis, is that he hasn't done anything at all since he called out Coag. I think it's disingenuous to say he's tunneling Coag when he made a post calling him out, I asked him if he was familiar with his meta, and he freaked out within a short time frame. I agree that I wouldn't say he's pushing Coag, but we don't know if he's just apathetic to pushing it, or he agrees with other cases since he's gone inactive. So I don't really have warm fuzzy feelings about the guy, but I think your case is somewhat misrepresentative, just because he hasn't posted and it's basing things as though he's actually been around to exhibit that behaviour. He stopped posting 2 hours before the first vote on GK went down, but it's been like 18 hours since then. Where is he? He still hasn't weighed in on Geript either, and Geript was under pressure while he was posting in thread. If he comes back, says he's been gone for 18 hours like grooming a chicken or whatever and he has serious thoughts to give, then I may rethink things. But as it stands, simply straight-up lurking and not posting is NOT a defense for his actions. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
but he is almost certainly a smurf, since the account was created yesterday. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
trancestorm is literally wrong and bad. D1 is worthless-- wat? Maybe 2 years ago the last time he played mafia and everyone was bad or something at least he's not pretending to be useful | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
The GK in this game is the town GK that I've coached and observed extensively. He is cautious, posts rarely, and builds up momentum to be a formidable scumhunter. This is not the kinda uncaring, willing-to-make-any--case scum GK that I've seen. He is not a good D1 lynch. He is not a good vigi shot. He is town. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 11:35 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah okay zarepath is playing like shit in terms of his reasons for finding people scummy, and is utterly inconsistent. It smacks of a new scum player being coached, backtracking his thoughts, and generally being muddled. I also don't like that he hasn't weighed in seriously on the main wagons. That being said, this seems to me to also smack of "townie who thinks he knows what he's doing but is literally bad". I feel an urge lynch him for reasons similar to the reasons I want to lynch TPS, but he smells like a mislynch. He is ineffective and bad, but he has no fear of calling people out. This reveals imo a town mindset, albeit that of a bad townie. "oh bh are you soft defending zarepath" well admittedly yes, this is a soft defense. I don't have a townread on him. But he is playing recklessly and thoughtlessly, much like a poorly-thought-out town play. I can't let that lie. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
I just _happen_ to always be right, it doesn't mean I have a big head about it | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 14:18 TestSubject893 wrote: So you wouldn't mind if people apply without the bold ## command then? We're in a normal game, it's not like the ## command does anything | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote: BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls. Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
I speculate that you're bad and should feel bad I got your speculation right here ##join SAST ##unvote thepeashooter ##vote testsubject893 | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 14:21 VisceraEyes wrote: To be fair, I lynched scum D1 last game. You helped, and your support was appreciated. Ok yes technically it was you, but I would have done the same if town elected me. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 14:22 TestSubject893 wrote: Gee I'm sorry that I easily won because only 2 people in the town knew how to try. It's not easy being one of the 2 | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
oatsmaster fucked up my night check and I still got 2 scum lynched (ok like 1.5 whatever) and when I died town had it in the bag. You lucked into victory lucked | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 14:24 VisceraEyes wrote: I was the other and I disagree. It was easy as fuck. But then, I died N1 so... Anyway BH I'm intrigued by your ideas and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Tell me more about TestScum so that I may be a believer. Well i'm not gonna bother him about his "internet outage" but his entry post into the game mostly revolves around my interaction with TPS. I think a town player would be more like "hey guys I think geript and zare are scum AND HERE'S WHY AND HERE'S A VOTE", and probably make that like the majority of their post rather than quibbling on whether my prior assumption of coag's alignment is pro-town atmosphere or anti town atmosphere. And the stuff speculating about roles is just garbage. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh don't be like that BH Test did exactly what he had to do to win. Bitter. I am disappoint. I'm just mad at oats really | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 14:26 TestSubject893 wrote: My point is that if you don't punish bad town, town still loses because eventually all the good town are dead. You still lost that game. You didn't lose any less just because you were the most talented player on the losing team. If you're going to vote me just for thinking that bad town causes town to lose, your vote won't me moving any time soon. So far you've talked about a number of topics, including whether attacking co-ag creates the right kind of "atmosphere", last game, VE's hilarious attempts to organize town, and finally a tiny little sentence about your scumreads. No votes, no cases, not even a rehashing of what convinced you or an attempt to convince others! Nothing. You are far more interested in arguing about whether I'm creating a good atmosphere than actually creating one by pressuring scum or helping your wagon. You dont' want to lynch geript and zare. you just want to say you want to lynch them. scum. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote: Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler + (like latest Batman movie disappointing  )But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.: A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat. Jhuyt: Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him. Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.: Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore: ##Vote: Jyuht Consider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him. Golbat: I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII. ##FoS: Golbat YourHarry: I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either. is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 14:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Wait wait that doesn't look the same at all. He gives a shitty summary of their play in this game and in that post he goes into detail explaining why he thinks the way he does. Ok yes in NMMXXIV he is more legit. He talks a bit about the play of the people, he's less shitty. But the idea that GK is bad because he's not evenly applying his criteria for scumminess, or that he's scum for having an easy swap is not correct. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
I don't like to think I'm wrong about this kind of thing. GK are you here | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
i still think GK isn't scum and testsubject IS scum. I know it's privileging the hypothesis but all the evidence around testsubject points to him being scum, and GK seems off but not entirely off. I don't want to be wrong, but if i'm wrong I want to be voting the right guy So I'm going to go fluff my komodo dragon's feathers for a bit and think on this. Even though GK's statements all seem scummy his TONE sounds like town GK, and yes I know that's not going to convince anyone but it has me convinced right now. I'll figure out what his deal is and why this is town GK and i'll show you all who's right and who's wrong testsubject be a man and post some serious case rather than flailing around like you are now if you ever want me not to lynch you today | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 14:57 GreYMisT wrote: They are the same structurally, because that's simply how he posts and thinks. That will usually not change between being town and scum. However, a difference I can note is how much more specific he is here, and how he cites specific examples, and tries to convince others that this is the correct choice. In his current cases and thread presnse, I do not get that feeling from him. I get the "Look at my vote and contribution!" feeling :| GK this would be a great time to rise to your own defense or something | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
really | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 14:55 VisceraEyes wrote: I got this too. Aside from participating in a little dick waggling with BH I haven't seen much scummy from him either. What do you think about Sandroba? He thinks you're mightily suspicious apparently. it's a large dick waggling, unless we're talking about testsubject, in which case yes it is a little dick waggling the fact that testsubject has to be coerced into helping and has this issue with "town atmosphere" and Ve's role speculation still dominates my read of him. Look at it this way: testsubject, although he is not the sharpest chicken in the barrel, is capable of at least attempting on his own to write a case or push a read. Why isn't he doing that except when we prod him in the ass? at least an initial prodding might be forgiven if he actually did any work. Where is he ever doing anything other than slinging mud around, trying to appear helpful, etc like just the fact that we had to yell him into producing "supported" scumreads (as opposed to lynch preferences) AND have to wring a GK read out of him by hand is preposterous coming from a guy talking about town atmosphere | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote: Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 15:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Do you disagree with his point? What town motivation is there to "make sure it doesn't get momentum"? If it's a waste of time, it's MY waste of time, not his. Commenting on it and discrediting it does nothing to find scum, especially if he doesn't find me scummy for it. Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :| | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 15:11 TestSubject893 wrote: Pressuring Coag is moot as long as BH is willing to stick his neck out for him, and will be even less effective now that we've vocallized that we're not all that serious about following through with a lynch on him. I don't have as many opinions as others because I'm 16 hours behind everyone else on this game due to my internet being out.... How does this make sense as town? Read the longer post. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 15:15 TestSubject893 wrote: Next time someone asks me what I think about someone I'll just ignore them then. Wow so helpful so pro-town no wait the opposite of that | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 15:18 goodkarma wrote: As I described, I didn't want a poorly formed town circle full of sheep blindly following someone who for me was a null read... I tend to talk a bit about policy, which may be a fault of mine. But if a town circle is to be formed my motive behind my comments there was to make sure it was formed right. Even in the worst case scenario though, which is like several active players end up following a scum VE, there's like infinitely more pressure and spotlight on VE and he will eventually slip up and be outed. If VE is town it's a town-motivated plan, and if VE is scum he's insane and will be caught. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 15:20 Coagulation wrote: who the fuck is bh me | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 15:50 ThePeashooter wrote: Wadefall, consolidate your shit. I played one game of dota and somehow 80 fucking posts popped up and you are nearly a quarter of them. Nothing demotivates me more than a game that gets spammed to shit. I was really happy we weren't heading for a 100 page Day 1. please stop you're so helpful stop being so helpful | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 15:58 Blazinghand wrote: TPS, I think we want the same thing here. We want you to post more and explain your thought process, and me to post less trying to prod you into doing so. Let's do that. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 16:17 ThePeashooter wrote: I have no issue with posting content and I never will, even if it means 100 pages in a day. My issue is with posts like this comprising 25% of the last 80 posts. + Show Spoiler [It's fucking long] + On March 17 2013 14:14 Wade Fell wrote: why does everyone in this game and last game think I have like this massive ego I just _happen_ to always be right, it doesn't mean I have a big head about it On March 17 2013 14:19 Wade Fell wrote: We're in a normal game, it's not like the ## command does anything On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote: Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game On March 17 2013 14:22 Wade Fell wrote: Ok yes technically it was you, but I would have done the same if town elected me. On March 17 2013 14:24 Wade Fell wrote: man testsubject ok let me play it straight for you oatsmaster fucked up my night check and I still got 2 scum lynched (ok like 1.5 whatever) and when I died town had it in the bag. You lucked into victory lucked On March 17 2013 14:25 Wade Fell wrote: Also testsubject for a guy who's read the thread and can only say "geript and zare are candidates" you sure talk a lot of smack On March 17 2013 14:35 Wade Fell wrote: I mean, I _assume_ a "lynch preference" is the same as a scumread, unless of course he is scum and would prefer to lynch town On March 17 2013 14:42 Wade Fell wrote: Testsubject is basically just making half-assed attacks on the D1 lynchbait kk On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote: Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote: Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler + (like latest Batman movie disappointing )But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.: A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat. Jhuyt: Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him. Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.: Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore: ##Vote: Jyuht Consider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him. Golbat: I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII. ##FoS: Golbat YourHarry: I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either. is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK On March 17 2013 14:46 Wade Fell wrote: Like look he LITERALLY calls golbat scummy for the same reason he votes Jyuht. That's not GK setting up a voteswap, that's just how the man thinks. On March 17 2013 14:48 Wade Fell wrote: Ok yes in NMMXXIV he is more legit. He talks a bit about the play of the people, he's less shitty. But the idea that GK is bad because he's not evenly applying his criteria for scumminess, or that he's scum for having an easy swap is not correct. On March 17 2013 14:49 Wade Fell wrote: I will note one deviation from meta, though, and that is that town GK typically is asking questions of people and prodding a lot in thread, and this one is not. Still, though, his slow-movingness indicates town GK to me and not the quick-drawing scum GK from LVII On March 17 2013 14:53 Wade Fell wrote: :| I don't like to think I'm wrong about this kind of thing. GK are you here On March 17 2013 14:56 Wade Fell wrote: Ok here's what I'm going to do i still think GK isn't scum and testsubject IS scum. I know it's privileging the hypothesis but all the evidence around testsubject points to him being scum, and GK seems off but not entirely off. I don't want to be wrong, but if i'm wrong I want to be voting the right guy So I'm going to go fluff my komodo dragon's feathers for a bit and think on this. Even though GK's statements all seem scummy his TONE sounds like town GK, and yes I know that's not going to convince anyone but it has me convinced right now. I'll figure out what his deal is and why this is town GK and i'll show you all who's right and who's wrong testsubject be a man and post some serious case rather than flailing around like you are now if you ever want me not to lynch you today On March 17 2013 14:57 Wade Fell wrote: tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way On March 17 2013 14:58 Wade Fell wrote: :| GK this would be a great time to rise to your own defense or something On March 17 2013 14:58 Wade Fell wrote: cause I got nothin really On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote: Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote: Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :| Every single one of these posts was within an hour and I didn't even select every single post within that specific hour. At some point in life I might actually have to read the guys filter or rest of the damn game. That's a lot of effort put into just quoting a bunch of my posts for no discernible reason. Look, I post a lot and if you're legitimately angry want me to post less, I can try to cut down the insults. I think what's really got your goat though isn't how much i'm posting, but the fact that I'm not willing to lay off the pressure on you. Is it really so bothersome that I'm actively involved in the back-and-forth discussion, or are you just scum trying to avoid actually talking about the game? If it makes you feel better, I won't say anything that would make your mother blush, but I will not tone down my level of activity because my top scumread is mad that he got caught with his pants down huehuehuhue | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 17 2013 16:25 Blazinghand wrote: Normally, this is where i'd post an ms paint drawing of me literally having a goat that belongs to TPS, but i think i shoudl reserve that for top top scumread testsubject when i get a chance to interact with him. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 18 2013 10:19 sciberbia wrote: yesterday: today: Does anyone else find this sequence of posts disturbing? Geript was clearly a big fan of lynching zarepath yesterday. He was in fact pushing the zarepath lynch. Since yesterday, zarepath looks if anything scummier, and the bandwagon on him has gotten stronger, and suddenly geript refuses to lynch him anymore. I can't help but wonder if the geript + zarepath theory was right all along. I don't like how Zarepath has been posting recently. His initial fearless posting (link)(link), however ill-advised it may have been, seemed to me to be townie. That plus my personal history with geript has led me to go soft on the two of them. I don't like that zarepath has become apologetic (link) and reserved (link), and his posting has gone down so much as the pressure has ramped up. That being said, his initial townlike recklessness and unthinkingness in posting resonates with me. His posting pattern tells me "town player who has no clue what he's doing" because of his initial earnestness. I will give him a second chance. GreYMisT, on the other hand, does not deserve another chance. GK already went over the initial scumminess in GreYMisT's entry into the game; the active lurking (link), the "trap" that (link) even viewed in the best possible light, is a noncase and a vote-threat that doesn't directly mean anything. "I was a potential mislynch, so the guy who pushed me is scum" is not a reasonable case, and if GreYMisT were like Grush or something I'd be like "wow Grush is Grush" but GM is in fact GM and not Grush. He opposed my meta read on GK (link) saying "that's just how GK thinks" without actually referencing a game of GK playing scum and acting like this. He made a meta read not based on GK's scum meta, but on... well, his word. I've exetensively provided reasoning for why GK is playing to his town and not scum meta, and everyone who's actually clicked through on my links has at least in part agreed with me. So what's with GreYMisT? He acts like he has a meta read on GK of "GK always posts like this as town or scum" but has NO EVIDENCE. He admits GK's actions could be town or scum (link) and after asserting that GK's actions are null, says he still wants to lynch GK (link) (link) only later supplementing his so-called "case" on GK with a one-liner (link) that actually literally refuses to engage with GK's defense. GreYMisT has slipped up badly-- he's accidentally let us peek behind the curtain at the man who doesn't think GK is scum but wants to lynch him anyways, the man who claims to have a meta read on GK but won't share details and has opted out of the town discourse as a result of his fixation on GK. If GreYMisT were really after GK, and REALLY had something to say about my meta defense of GK, He'd say it. He'd have said it. He'd have shouted it to the heavens, linked and quoted the evidence, and bitch-slapped me like the young punk I am. GreYMisT has blinked, multiple times, because his town play is interfering with his ability push a mislynch as scum. He is scum, and GK is town. We all know this to be true. ##unvote ##vote GreYMisT | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
I'm gonna be straight with you: yes, I would love to lynch either of those clowns. I'd love it so much. But we've got like a few hours left in the day, and of the available wagons, there's a scum option. This isn't the time for a principled push of some doomed wagon, this is time to lynch scum. If your vote is on someone with like 1 or 2 votes, you either need to convince everyone to join you, or you need to get off the worthless wagon. Anything less is opting out of the town discourse and not an acceptable way to play. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 18 2013 09:53 geript wrote: I don't think my exploits last game need to be documented anymore. I played shitty and stupid and got myself mislynches. As town. I at least can empathize with Zare's position. Yes, I still think he's likely to be scum. But I'd be a stupid, cold heartless bastard to not have put myself in his shoes and considered how I would act. Or have acted. He's at least worth the effort to try and get a better read on or we may be able to get more useful information out of if he's scum. It's at least worth a wait. wat | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 18 2013 11:48 DarthPunk wrote: So why is everyone so convinced greymist is scum. I really don't get it. Like I understand, but I don't see how everyone can be so certain. Realistically speaking he's the scummiest player that can be lynched today. Due to the unusual deadline, there will be no shennannies, as much as TPS and TestSubject need to be lynched. I understand that this is my own failure in getting others to join me on these wagons, but given the current circumstances, greymist is the scummiest lynchable player. And he IS scum. He's NOT pushing his objectives like a town GM would. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 18 2013 11:55 zarepath wrote: GreYMist, whatever happened to this? You haven't mentioned me once since. This ties into my "GM isn't honestly following up" theory-- he doesn't really believe in his cases so he's not putting in full effort. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
an entirely wrongheaded attack on GK, and unexplained scumreads on WoS and Testsubject. He's right on testsubject but never goes into detail. As a final token to Greymist I will take an analytical look at WoS before the end of the night though, and as usual you will have my general thoughts and cases before dawn. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 01:31 Blazinghand wrote: zZz if you have a case other than "BH is reasonably revising his reads and willing to look into new players based on the flip of an experienced town players" please let me know. Are you seriously still butthurt about how horribly you played and got mislynched last game or what | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 12:37 geript wrote: Did you see my last post VE? Do you think BH would make that night post after a town flip? You know what geript? I'm tired of you flinging shit like a monkey in a zoo from the sidelines. If you had something to say, you'd have said it during D1. Everything you've done this game has been with the purpose of hurting town, and you're just mad I've attacked you and other people who didn't like VE's idea for forming a town circle. Your so-called evidence regarding how I began this night is bullshit, like everything else you spew. of COURSE I look into the filters of dead townies. of COURSE I'll take his reads into account. we were literally talking about this over the course of the mafia podcast, but you didn't absorb any of that because you're just another grush, just another player who is worthless as a townie, so worthless scum keeps him alive until lylo because he never does anything remotely useful, the perfect scum player. VE told me to hold back on attacking you tonight, he said that he'd try to coax something useful out of you, but what's this? You're flinging shit at everything useful town has tried to do this game, because the very idea of veterans, of skilled players, trying to hunt scum is offensive to you. You're just a fly, geript, a fly on the wall that I will crush like all the other players who stand against me this game. I'm tired of listening to your garbage. tomorrow try to start a wagon on me, I fucking dare you. I'll lynch you first. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
Look, I'll admit GM wasn't my top scumread, which makes the swap to him look scummy. Normally I'd try to to voteswap shenannies to get my main dude lynched. But you know what? The deadline is at midnight PST, whcih is like ungodly oclock european time. There was no voteswap happening at the end of this day. I haven't been able to post as much as I'd like, but I've called it as I've seen it and weighed in on everything important that's happened in this damn game. Look at my filter and you'll see me taking positions, explaining myr easoning, and calling people out for bad reasoning on EVERYTHING because I am transparent. If you think I'm scum because I didn't have my vote on my top scumread at the end of the day, that's fine. I HAVE led good last-minute shennanies before and I didn't lead one this time. But you know what? DrH ended the day 10 minutes early. It wouldn't have worked anyways, and there weren't the people online for it, and if there were it doesnt' matter because the mod ended the day early. You think this is scum BH, fine. I'll make a better case on someone else and we'll lynch them first. All I have to do is scumhunt better than the jubjubs and scum and push me, and I won't get lynched. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 13:31 sciberbia wrote: @BH Can you explain why you chose to mason GK and then VE? Also, I think you might as well claim your role in full and tell us if you are allowed to post the mason logs or not. Probably wait until the daypost to do this though. I masoned GK because I had a strong townread on him, and wanted to be absolutely sure in private communicaiton. If I mason scum I'm dead immediately (or perhaps, even sooner than usual) since they'll know I'm a blue. I masoned VE because I have a townread on him and as vets we are likely to be shot N1, so this was probably my best chance to talk to him. My role is The Messenger. Oats tells me am not allowed to quote my role PM or flavour, but I can tell you the specifics of my role. Each phase I may mason with a person, but I can not mason with the same person twice. It is not clear if I am allowed to post logs. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
That's all you have to say for yourself? how typical. How geript of you. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 13:42 geript wrote: Look unlike you, I don't need to make up for a high squeaky voice with an abnormally large epeen. Unlike you I don't have to make up for being hideously bad at mafia by resorting to ad hominem attacks. Does the pitch of the voice or the size of my enormous gargantuan epeen have any bearing whatsoever on the game? You're just trying to make me mad. And let me tell you this, geript: it ain't gonna work. You can't stop me from scumhunting with cheap emotional attacks. Unlike you am I above such things. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 13:45 Mocsta wrote: Coming in as a replacement. I noticed you keep trying to reenforce you know GK well cos you coached him I find, a one time admission of this is usually what a town player does. But you have done it repeatedly, leading to two conclusions (1) You hope you have town cred, and trying to make an appeal to popularity for GK to be town (2) You are establishing a minor "newbie" shroud over GK, essentially an additional appeal Considering I dont have a town read at all from GK... and factoring your coach comments above AND CONSIDERING AS WELL you're a much more meek and timid personality (comp. Mafia LX). I would bank you are both scum Sandroba said it best...Let me remind you. >BH is meek and timid wat | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
This game, you're just insulting people for no discernable reason. Get your head in the game mocsta | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 13:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Because if he's town he's a free shot on a strong role paired with a potentially strong player for scum. Makes more sense to wait until day time if you had to do it. @BH/Geript: Can you two cut it out? It's a game, you don't have to get personal. I'm not the one getting personal here | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 13:49 Mocsta wrote: Classic scum launch ad-hom and avoid commenting on the crux of what i said Is your criticism of me the fact that I'm playing meek, or the fact that I'm playing aggro? You say "oh BH is meeker than he was in LX, so he is scum" but also that I'm being aggressive to emulate my play in LX. You can't have it both ways. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 13:50 Mocsta wrote: Lol.. what i wrote is very clear cut im not going to paraphrase it for you, because you have shown no effort to attack the argument (yet) My meta defense of GK has convinced plenty of people he's town. He wasn't even a lynch target. He can come in and confirm I was in a Mason QT with him D1. He is not scum. I am not scum. If you view this as a mark against me, so be it; I will demonstrate we have bigger fish to fry tomorrow. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 13:51 geript wrote: Sure Wiggles. It's just hard not to rub it in. Rubbing it in has nothing to do with scumhunting and is a waste of my time, and almost certainly yours. mocsta is following up on his case against me. Why aren't you? Where's the continued pressure? Or are you just butthurt about last game, or just scum trying to hide in case I actually get lynched tomorrow and flipped town? If you have criticisms of my play, come at me bro otherwise, get the hell out of my way | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 13:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Respond to this post BH, because it contains no ad hom attacks and raises points I'd like you to address. Why were you so bent on emulating your previous, confident play earlier on while your play since suggests a more cautious, reserved approach? I'm not emulating my confident play-- my play, if you don't count my blue actions, is utterly confident. Yes, my choice of mason targets was cautious, but I was unable to post as much as I'd like during D1 because TPS and sandro's cycles lined up. The fact of the matter is, I had more to gain and far less to lose from masoning GK than from masoning one of my scumreads, especially when those scumreads are TPS and Testsubject, both of whose intransigence would likely not translate well to a mason QT. Was GK a newbie, and probably easily impressioned by me? Sure, of course. But on the other hand, he's also a newbie who has been coached by me. He knows how I think and how I hunt scum. Of all the various newbies in this game to mason, GK is the most likely to figure me out if I am scum. Of all the various vets in this game to mason, Ve is the most ly likely to figure me out if I am scum. My blue actions are for discussion scumreads, and cautious, but if I were scum they'd be hideously risky. I'd really feel better if GK were here to talk also *nudge nudge* | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 14:00 Mocsta wrote: Course u do, it would be coordinated if GK was here. I dont like this BH.. this reads as a politician trying to sway me around "I had more to gain and far less to lose." Blah Blah Blah Town BH is Motherfucker.. i did this, its the right choice, dont question me Keep up those meek and timid speeches scum If u want me to start pulling Mafia LX quotes and providing contrast I shall oblige... if u havnt forgotten (MilkSuckler- me) and you had epeen battles in LX.. and this is going radically different. Now that game I am town... this game im town That game you were town.. this game.. (well surely u can spot the difference) I have been threatened multiple times with modkills this game due to my aggression, in both private and public. You can see the mods posting in the thread about it. Take a look at where my aggression tuned down. Look at how I'm treating geript. I'm trying to defuse the situation because yes, in addition to being aggressive I am also a reasonable guy who doesn't like getting modkilled. People asked for my rationale for my blue actions. Was my thought process cautious? Yes. Does my thought process make ANY SENSE AT ALL coming from a scum perspective? NO. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On November 15 2012 00:48 Blazinghand wrote: here via phone. anyo e votibg me needs to explain how my play this game is diferent than Storm Mafja or similar to any of the scum games ive played especially since a nontrivial component of the case is meat. no getting off voting me on meta wkfbojt at least doing your HW and staking out a position you can be held to. Ill be back in a few hours prk ably to vote one of these guys trying to opt out of the discussion by voti g me or more likely to call tbem Bad and develep DP case or talk Bout hopeless 1 meat Basically, I'll say this: show me how this fits my scum meta, and you have a meta case going. If all you can say is "BH isn't playing the same as last game", then you're making the same mistake people ALWAYS make when they try to meta read me. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote: I dont have your experience, but with common sense. I mason with people I think are town and trying to run ideas together with Why mason a scum read, who would lead u in circles and then shoot you? The benefit in my opinino of a town mason, is the ability to "hydra"... so im gonna be very curious about these logs BH ve Can you please confirm the agenda of discussion BH was pushing with you? Was he trying to discuss reads; or just push GK? I am not trying to push GK. He is town... :| | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 14:07 VisceraEyes wrote: I wouldn't call masoning with me "risky" and I'm sure most of the vets on this site would agree with me...but that's a conversation for another time because that part of the argument IS WIFOM. The fact of the matter is that during the day I made no secret about having a town-read on you based on your early play - if you'll recall I invited you in this thread to be on The Team. Obviously any assertion that you were "at risk" by masoning me is pretty much null considering that scum have to take risks to win the game. It becomes a question of when, and what kinds of opportunities arise. Not because of your read on me, VE-- at the end of D1 EVERYONE had a townread on me basically. Because we've played dozens of games together, and out of everyone here you are the single player who knows me best. If there's anyone in this game I wouldn't mason as scum, it would be you. Not because of your reads, not because you're some super scumhunter (though you are talented), but because you know me best. That's why you and GK are both risky for me as a scum player to mason, but both excellent for me as a town player to mason: you know me well. This isn't WIFOM, it's WTHTD. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 14:04 WaveofShadow wrote: It wouldn't be coordinated though would it? I thought the mason 'connection' ends with each phase, meaning his connection now is with VE? If you look at his earlier posts defending GK he is trying to coordinate a defense there and sounds pretty confident aside from when GK basically leaves him in the lurch and doesn't show up. Which posts specifically lead you to believe he is acting rather than actually going through with 'motherfucker' BH, Mocsta? My current connection is with VE. I am no longer connected with GK, although in addition to discussing pushing GM and how to respond to his martyring, we talked about future reads and pushes we have planned, as well as the possibility of GM being bussed. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 14:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Couple things, BH. This was promised and we never got it, and we haven't heard anything regarding your top scumreads, TPS/Testsubject in a while. Are we going to receive any of this before deadline in case you are night target? Of course. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 14:09 Mocsta wrote: You bought yourself time with this argument. I have no counter, because the point is indeed valid. doesn't matter, I'm either dead anyways due to NK and what you think is meaningless, or I have 48 hours to push my reads and how "long" it takes to convince you is not relevant. On March 19 2013 14:11 Mocsta wrote: Nah.. i masoned a guy in personality that knew me best out of everyone.. and i was scum its even more powerful if you can convince that guy you are town.. surely that skill level is not beneath u BH? not buying that argument. Actually, as scum? Yes. :| Anyone who has seen me play scum can tell you I am literally the least talented scum player in existence, as untalented as scum as I am talented at town. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 14:15 Keirathi wrote: You weren't the worst scum player in Parallel. Yeah but we had a shit scumteam also my play this game has literally nothing in common with my play in parallel | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
lol | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
I actually had a HYOOOJ townread on the guy you replaced | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
omg dood i told u not 2 bus me yet | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 14:28 Blazinghand wrote: + Show Spoiler +
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 14:28 Keirathi wrote: *Insert "I don't always call someone scum, but when I do, I don't" image macro* (link) | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:51 AM ET (US) Edit Delete You too GK. I suspect there's some possibility you'll be up as a lynch candidate for D2 but realistically speaking most people have figured out you're town by now. Once I see this flip and the flips from night kills I'll probably be going for Mr. wiggles (unless something weird happens) or geript. Keep on scumhunting. 10 goodkarma 03-18-2013 01:48 AM ET (US) Since our QT time is almost up, let me take this opportunity to say it was a pleasure to share a QT with you again  I wish I could have been more helpful with reads but tbh with the upcoming flips imho it's most prudent to look at everyone's filters again with a fresh mind. I'm going to be especially mindful of those who ignored/disregarded Greymist as a lynch candidate this cycle (I'm assuming he's going to flip scum). People like Hopeless and VE come to mind in that regard. The lack of resistance from Grey could also be from a pre-planned bus from scum. Something also I'm going to need to think about. It's a theory that at least would partially explain why Grey would ACTIVELY be in thread while not defending himself... Anyway, best of luck with your next guy. It's been fun 9 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-17-2013 11:25 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Yeah, that's a good point. I know intellectually that martyring is not a towntell obviously-- and the fact that he's not even writing cases in his final hours is the final nail in the coffin tbh. If I were town at least I'd try to get in a last word right 8 goodkarma 03-17-2013 11:11 PM ET (US) Martyring also happens to be against the rules... That aside, I don't see how martyring makes Greymist town. He hasn't tried at all to defend himself. Maybe if he was tired of defending endless accusations or something I could see a townie Greymist doing it, but he can't be bothered to lift a finger in his defense... It seems more like a scumtell to me for that reason. 7 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-17-2013 10:45 PM ET (US) Edit Delete On the other hand, I only have a couple strong townreads. I think I'll have to take a risk if I want to get rewards from this power. I get the feeling I'll be shot during the first few nights anyways, as always happens to me-- so I might as well try to make the most of my power. I still have some time to think it over. GreYMisT's martyring isn't particularly helpful. It kind of makes me think he's town, but I know I shouldn't think he's town just because he's martyring. I personally like the guy a great deal which is part of why. If he's scum though it's a clever low-cost way to sow doubt. 6 goodkarma 03-17-2013 10:16 PM ET (US) Yeah there's a chance Zerepath is a noobie townie. Though I don't like how he likes to bring up his newness to the format... I think that's a good approach to take with Mr. Wiggles. Looking at a town game, his play seems at least somewhat similar, so I would be inclined to give him time to prove if he's town or not. Geript could be scum. But with players that play as poorly as he does I tend to like to take in the big picture before coming to conclusions. After a few flips, it should be much clearer for me. As far as who you bring in, it's definitely up to you. But if it were me I'd focus on bringing in my strongest townreads. If you bring in a scum you'd become a high priority kill target. Just my two cents. 5 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-17-2013 09:44 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Okay, I think I slammed GM pretty hard with that case. I am not 100% on Zarepath being town but defending him a bit should help get GM lynched. I'm gonna grab some dinner then come back and see if I can change some minds. 4 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-17-2013 09:32 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Given the difficulty in getting this town to consolidate, I'm going to be pushing on GreyMist, since he's playing so far from his normal, useful meta (and has been also unwilling to follow up on his reads). I still am not convinced by the cases on Zarepath. I think he's a flailing townie who doesn't really know how to contribute-- the recklessness in his early posts tell me this. Regarding Wiggles, if he's town there's also a good chance he'll be shot tonight, so it could be more prudent to begin to pressure him tonight, then try to lynch him tomorrow if he's still not performing to his town standard. In any case, this QT and our ability to communicate will last until the end of today. I'm thinking of masoning with VE tonight, even though I don't have the strongest townread on him. Reason 1) if VE is town he's almost certainly the #1 mafia shot for tonight and this will be my only chance to talk to him in a QT Reason 2) if i get shot tonight ahead of a couple of the other head scumhunters, that (possibly) means that VE is scum and shot me to stop me from using my power more. So yeah I'll get my thoughts together for a defense of zarepath and an attack on greymist. 3 goodkarma 03-17-2013 09:25 PM ET (US) Coaching session #2? My first thought is I'd hesitate to bring up another lynch candidate right now. There's only like a billion out there, and we need to be striving toward consolidating our votes on (hopefully) two candidates. We're late in the cycle, so as long as you have a decent scum read on one of the candidates (Greymist, Zeriph, or Darthpunk), I would recommend you push your vote on one of them instead. But as far as Mr. Wiggles is concerned, I don't have the meta read benefit that you do. I can look into him more in a bit, but my impression at this point is similar to your assessment insofar as I haven't seen him be very invested in this game. If he is a strong town player, then I would agree there's a decent chance he's scum. I'll also look at Geript in a little bit. 2 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-17-2013 09:07 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Okay so the hosts are dragging their feet with setting up the Mason QT so I'll drop some stuff in here since I have to step out for a moment. My power works on a per-phase basis and I was hoping to mason you for D2 but the chance you can be lynched is too high, so instead I'm masoning you for D1 so I can work with you while you're still alive. In any case, I currently have two strong scumreads I want to push, besides my tiff with Testsubject and with TPS (which I need to step back from due to emotional issues, at least for today). I suggest we pool our thoughts and reads since you are a pretty good scumhunter when you have someone to bounce ideas off of. Mainly I am concerned with Mr. Wiggles. He is an aggressive scumhunter and a capable asset as town, but his scum play isn't as good, and I'm pretty sure this is scum Wiggles. He didn't seriously follow-up on his attack on you, and only when prodded has he posted in the thread. When he DOES post, he composes his posts quite well-- they look and smell like cases-- but he doesn't back them up and press them the way a town player who really wanted to lynch his target would. For example, he calls up Coag's meta to defend coag, then utterly ignores meta to attack you. I jumped through all kinds of hoops to deflect it and even now he's trying to get a mislynch off on you, despite admitting you're playing to your town meta. The other player that bothers me is Geript, but I think I might be emotionally against him and seeing things I shouldn't-- I'd like you to check my logic here. Geript has been actively opposing attempts of town to organize and scumhunt, but not in a way that relays concerns for town complacency or other dangers of VE's gambit. furthermore, he is focusing his attacks on the most productive and useful townies rather than try to develop cases or even push his main targets. Whenever there's pushback, he changes who he's attacking. Normally I'd be on him like white on rice, but I mislynched him last game and am worried I am misreading him now. I'm going to be rolling out an attack on Wiggles shortly. Do you have any thoughts? 1 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-17-2013 08:52 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Mason QT between GoodKarma and Wade Fell for D1 of The Game. + Show Spoiler [with VE] + VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 12:55 AM ET (US) You will be avenged. 38 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 12:44 AM ET (US) Edit Delete TBH it's probably what I'd do if the situations are reversed. I'll never admit to setup speculation in public, but given a flipped mason, there's higher-than-average chance of other masons being scum. But at least, if I should die tonight for some reason, don't let geript walk free. That miserable cunt is laughing at me, VE. Laughing. 37 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 12:40 AM ET (US) It's the right move. If you're town you'll be able to prove it. I just don't think so based on the contents of this QT. And because you're "actively decreasing your post count" that's all I have to go on. Sorry dude. 36 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 12:21 AM ET (US) Edit Delete Fair enough. I'll be responding in thread. You wouldn't try to pull this as scum, so at least there's that. I don't think outing me as a Mason is the right move. DrH and Oats have both repeatedly privately threatened me with modkill due to spamming, which is why I have decreased my post count. The thoughts in here if I get shot tonight will corroborate your story that I did in fact mason you. 35 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:59 PM ET (US) To be frank you're entirely non-existant this game as compared to LX. I'm not really concerned about geript suspecting you because honestly before this conversation I was suspicious of you too. Being in a QT with someone pretty much excuses that though. Can you go into detail about your read on TPS? 34 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:51 PM ET (US) Edit Delete You're entirely non-crazy. I'll slap down a patented (link)-filled blazinghand style case on Ryu before the end of the night and see how he reacts to it. 33 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:34 PM ET (US) I was spitballing with you but you stated it as reasoning for wanting to lynch Ryu. For my part I just don't care what that says about anyone else yet. XD So I'm not crazy then? That's logical and I'm not losing my shit here? 32 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:30 PM ET (US) Edit Delete I don't understand the Zare question then. Overall the ryu thing seems pretty straightforwards: he shifted stance on sandro, he let the wagon push itself, and has given contradictory reads and not backed anything up. How does Zare or you commenting on wagon swings have to do with that? 31 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:26 PM ET (US) WTF? I don't even care about association theories. LOL 30 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:07 PM ET (US) Edit Delete regardless the common factor here is Ryu = scum in either theory, so we lynch him first 29 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:06 PM ET (US) Suppose Zare picked up steam? I neglected to comment on Zare what if I had commented and the wagon swung? 28 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:04 PM ET (US) Edit Delete alt theory: ryu geript zarepath scumteam, but I think DP was under more pressure than zare so this theory less plausib. ryu wanted to setup a GM lynch then hang back and see if it got steam without comitting, which is why his case is weak and explains thread absence after inital bad setup 27 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:04 PM ET (US) I wish I could DOTA. *dustkick* 26 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:02 PM ET (US) Edit Delete I'm playing dota ryu looks like shit, we lynch him tmr imo. his claim that he wasn't "afk" or whatever during the development of the greymist case is crap. weird contradictions also evidence for DP being scum but wont' comment on assoc between unflipped, will wait to see ryu flip will write more once i'm done doating 25 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 05:52 PM ET (US) You're here and not commenting on the case I'm making against Ryu in the thread. Care to comment here if you're trying to let it develop organically in the thread or something? Ryu is essentially claiming scum in the thread from my perspective. 24 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 05:34 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Yeah I didn't want it to be confirmed I was a blue. If you want you can ask him to confirm it and I'm sure he will but ideally we don't let scum know this 23 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 05:28 PM ET (US) I'm going to assume that you're not a Nightmare...because your communication only lasts a phase. Why has GK not claimed you masoning with him was that at your request? 22 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:57 PM ET (US) No, they're very real. Very. But that Vivax thing is not a scumslip. 21 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:56 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Fair enough. Whatever case is made against Vivax though should hinge on his town/scum mentality and not on the "Scumslip" about Yamato77 imo. Scumslips generally aren't actually real. 20 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:54 PM ET (US) I did point it out in thread, but to my knowledge you never commented. 19 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:51 PM ET (US) Edit Delete You already pointed out that post in-thread. Vivax either is scum or has no idea who his scumreads really are, since he claims scum are pushing a wagon but is marking people not on said wagon as scum. That's definitely a scumtell because a town player would probably remember who his own scumreads are, whereas a scum player would have trouble keeping his lies straight. It's the same thing that happens in his post-vote analysis. Basically, Vivax doesn't have consistent scumreads, and his analysis isn't pointing at the people who he says is scum. It's like he has a set of reads he feels some need to push, then writes analysis that isn't really related, rather than having a thought process that connects scumhunting to scumreads. Basically a town player wouldn't make this mistake because he'd be aware of who his scumreads actually are. 18 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:40 PM ET (US) Hrm @ Mocsta immediately jokingly buddying me. 17 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:11 PM ET (US) Also I feel like this post is dissonant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18078961 He states that he thinks "scum would have no need to switch off to a mislynch" and then concludes that two people who switched from DP to GM are scum. At least, that's what it looks like to me. I just skimmed it because I'm trying to work fast before I go to work. XD Edited 03-18-2013 01:12 PM 16 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:09 PM ET (US) re: Vivax tell me what you think of the last paragraph of this post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18064964 15 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:05 PM ET (US) Yeah Vivax seems to be playing more sane this game than usual too...that's not a scumtell for him though is it? e: like the rules have manner laws and anti-spam laws in place. Could he not just be trying to abide? Edited 03-18-2013 01:09 PM 14 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:04 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Okay I'll lay off Geript for now, that's reasonable enough. We can goodcop-badcop this shit 13 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:03 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Also as a secondary scumread: Vivax. This whole "yeah I'm gonna be shot for my good play, please protect me medic" thing really rubs me the wrong way. Not even countering the scumslip (which anyone could make), he hasn't been pushing a real town-motivated objective for most of D1. This is admittedly a softer read than I'd like but something intuitively is telling me that Vivax is scum, and I do well when I listen to that voice in my head. 12 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:02 PM ET (US) I'm saying give me a bit first. Let me talk to the guy. THEN we'll talk about geript scum, and if necessary, bring it to the thread in full force. 11 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:01 PM ET (US) Stop that line of thinking. I'm not saying don't pressure him. I'm saying don't out and out call him a scum read or he'll be all "WELP THATS FUCKING GAME CAUSE VETS THINK I'M SCUM" 10 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:00 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Like, you get why the "Geript might lose his shit" argument isn't reasonable right. The guy can't just hold our analysis hostage to a threat of flipping out 9 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:00 PM ET (US) AND you can't remason. I'm offended. Officially.  8 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 12:58 PM ET (US) Edit Delete The problem with town Geript is he'll act like Geript in LX under pressure and become useless and probably mislynched. It's frustrating that that's the man's meta, but that's what it is. I don't want to let that dissuade me from pushing him though or else he's some horrible unlynchable scum player who is worthless as town. I'll finish up a case on TPS a bit later today to share. Ideally I'll chuck it up just before daybreak. I picked GK about halfway through the first day because I had a townread on him. If I mason a scum player, the chance of me getting shot goes up a lot, and I know GK pretty well-- he was, and is, almost certainly town. I'm masoning with you tonight because if scum is smart at least one of us won't be around tomorrow. 7 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 12:52 PM ET (US) I don't wanna run with that geript read. I want to engage him on his actual suspects, without fear of him losing his shit and looking even scummier if he's town. Like...if he's town, we gotta handle with care because you and I both are gonna probably think he's scum. I want to engage him personally on his reads, and we'll see what we see then. TPS I can run with. I didn't like that post quoting your posts at all, and it didn't make any sense singling you out. So you can pick a new target every cycle? Every cycle? Why didn't you pick me during the longer cycle? Why did you pick GK for the first cycle? 6 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 12:48 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Also FWIW I've been skiing this weekend which is why I've been only really posting between 6 pm and midnight every day. Don't expect me to be mentioning IRL excuses in thread though, I have way more balls than that. 5 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 12:46 PM ET (US) Edit Delete It's almost certain that one of us will be shot tonight, so this is likely our only chance to talk. I'm a masoner who can mason a new person every phase, and I cannot remason someone I've already masoned. During D1 I masoned with GK, which is part of why I became very sure he was town. I'm reasonably confident you're town, but if you're scum well you were probably gonna shoot me tonight anyways. In any case, I currently have two strong scumreads I want to push. I'll admit I never super looked into DP since I was more focused on other candidates for D1, so I'll add him to my "stuff to post just before daybreak" list, but right now I'm more worried about Geript and TPS. I've talked a lot about TPS in thread already but mainly I'm concerned about his attempts to _look_ like he's contributing without actually doing it. I'm like 90% sure his "anger" at my spamming is faked given that you had the same filter length as me at the time and his response to it was to just quote a bunch of my posts. He's done a pretty slick job of not contributing to the game and looking like an "emotional townie" Geript might be just me being mad, but it really just looks like he's attacking anything constructive that tries to happen. I still don't like his RNG discussion at the start of the day, but even ignoring that, he never made a really good case for why zare was scum other than "he worded things differently this game", and he switched to GM when the heat was on. What really makes me think he's scum though is his weird attack on me at the start of this night. Now MAYBE Geript is just butthurt because people didn't reread his filter in LX but I think he's legitimately trying to disrupt town from being useful. 4 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 12:40 PM ET (US) But I have nothing concrete on him. Only my case and my feels. :/ You've been very very absent from the thread, because this happened at night I have to assume that you didn't mason anyone during the day. What's going on in the would of Blzinghand? 3 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 12:36 PM ET (US) I'm confident DP is scum - the way he reacted to my case (strict OMGUS) is a town tell with newer players but not with DP I think. That guy is smart and I think his reaction to my case was an act. Look at the way he defended it. He never explained proper town motivations or tried to make me understand his point, he immediately was all "Did you hear what VE said?! He said townies never pressure people!" 2 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 12:33 PM ET (US) Well shit sir. Another Nightmare? Perhaps one that's not quite so town-aligned? You talkin about shooting me at the end of this conversation? You talkin about ending my life BH? 1 OatsmasterPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 07:06 AM ET (US) hey | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 15:00 Mocsta wrote: Interesting, you're reasoning for masoning VE was sound.. yet i dont recall you saying that when questioned prior.. because the reason doesn't work if VE knows it | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 15:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeh gotta read from bottom to top and then the dates/signatures are hard too. I'm not saying that his obsession with geript is scummy per se, but I have an overall null read on Geript so if there's something I'm missing to make him look scummier I'd be interested to see if BH can bring something purely objective to the table. I don't know how to flip the GK one upside down, but the VE one is multi-page so it can be flipped. + Show Spoiler [VE reverse chronological] + atsmasterPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 07:06 AM ET (US) hey 2 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 12:33 PM ET (US) Well shit sir. Another Nightmare? Perhaps one that's not quite so town-aligned? You talkin about shooting me at the end of this conversation? You talkin about ending my life BH? 3 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 12:36 PM ET (US) I'm confident DP is scum - the way he reacted to my case (strict OMGUS) is a town tell with newer players but not with DP I think. That guy is smart and I think his reaction to my case was an act. Look at the way he defended it. He never explained proper town motivations or tried to make me understand his point, he immediately was all "Did you hear what VE said?! He said townies never pressure people!" 4 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 12:40 PM ET (US) But I have nothing concrete on him. Only my case and my feels. :/ You've been very very absent from the thread, because this happened at night I have to assume that you didn't mason anyone during the day. What's going on in the would of Blzinghand? 5 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 12:46 PM ET (US) Edit Delete It's almost certain that one of us will be shot tonight, so this is likely our only chance to talk. I'm a masoner who can mason a new person every phase, and I cannot remason someone I've already masoned. During D1 I masoned with GK, which is part of why I became very sure he was town. I'm reasonably confident you're town, but if you're scum well you were probably gonna shoot me tonight anyways. In any case, I currently have two strong scumreads I want to push. I'll admit I never super looked into DP since I was more focused on other candidates for D1, so I'll add him to my "stuff to post just before daybreak" list, but right now I'm more worried about Geript and TPS. I've talked a lot about TPS in thread already but mainly I'm concerned about his attempts to _look_ like he's contributing without actually doing it. I'm like 90% sure his "anger" at my spamming is faked given that you had the same filter length as me at the time and his response to it was to just quote a bunch of my posts. He's done a pretty slick job of not contributing to the game and looking like an "emotional townie" Geript might be just me being mad, but it really just looks like he's attacking anything constructive that tries to happen. I still don't like his RNG discussion at the start of the day, but even ignoring that, he never made a really good case for why zare was scum other than "he worded things differently this game", and he switched to GM when the heat was on. What really makes me think he's scum though is his weird attack on me at the start of this night. Now MAYBE Geript is just butthurt because people didn't reread his filter in LX but I think he's legitimately trying to disrupt town from being useful. 6 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 12:48 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Also FWIW I've been skiing this weekend which is why I've been only really posting between 6 pm and midnight every day. Don't expect me to be mentioning IRL excuses in thread though, I have way more balls than that. 7 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 12:52 PM ET (US) I don't wanna run with that geript read. I want to engage him on his actual suspects, without fear of him losing his shit and looking even scummier if he's town. Like...if he's town, we gotta handle with care because you and I both are gonna probably think he's scum. I want to engage him personally on his reads, and we'll see what we see then. TPS I can run with. I didn't like that post quoting your posts at all, and it didn't make any sense singling you out. So you can pick a new target every cycle? Every cycle? Why didn't you pick me during the longer cycle? Why did you pick GK for the first cycle? 8 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 12:58 PM ET (US) Edit Delete The problem with town Geript is he'll act like Geript in LX under pressure and become useless and probably mislynched. It's frustrating that that's the man's meta, but that's what it is. I don't want to let that dissuade me from pushing him though or else he's some horrible unlynchable scum player who is worthless as town. I'll finish up a case on TPS a bit later today to share. Ideally I'll chuck it up just before daybreak. I picked GK about halfway through the first day because I had a townread on him. If I mason a scum player, the chance of me getting shot goes up a lot, and I know GK pretty well-- he was, and is, almost certainly town. I'm masoning with you tonight because if scum is smart at least one of us won't be around tomorrow. 9 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:00 PM ET (US) AND you can't remason. I'm offended. Officially. 10 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:00 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Like, you get why the "Geript might lose his shit" argument isn't reasonable right. The guy can't just hold our analysis hostage to a threat of flipping out 11 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:01 PM ET (US) Stop that line of thinking. I'm not saying don't pressure him. I'm saying don't out and out call him a scum read or he'll be all "WELP THATS FUCKING GAME CAUSE VETS THINK I'M SCUM" 12 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:02 PM ET (US) I'm saying give me a bit first. Let me talk to the guy. THEN we'll talk about geript scum, and if necessary, bring it to the thread in full force. 13 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:03 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Also as a secondary scumread: Vivax. This whole "yeah I'm gonna be shot for my good play, please protect me medic" thing really rubs me the wrong way. Not even countering the scumslip (which anyone could make), he hasn't been pushing a real town-motivated objective for most of D1. This is admittedly a softer read than I'd like but something intuitively is telling me that Vivax is scum, and I do well when I listen to that voice in my head. 14 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:04 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Okay I'll lay off Geript for now, that's reasonable enough. We can goodcop-badcop this shit 15 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:05 PM ET (US) Yeah Vivax seems to be playing more sane this game than usual too...that's not a scumtell for him though is it? e: like the rules have manner laws and anti-spam laws in place. Could he not just be trying to abide? Edited 03-18-2013 01:09 PM 16 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:09 PM ET (US) re: Vivax tell me what you think of the last paragraph of this post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18064964 17 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:11 PM ET (US) Also I feel like this post is dissonant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18078961 He states that he thinks "scum would have no need to switch off to a mislynch" and then concludes that two people who switched from DP to GM are scum. At least, that's what it looks like to me. I just skimmed it because I'm trying to work fast before I go to work. XD Edited 03-18-2013 01:12 PM 18 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:40 PM ET (US) Hrm @ Mocsta immediately jokingly buddying me. 19 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:51 PM ET (US) Edit Delete You already pointed out that post in-thread. Vivax either is scum or has no idea who his scumreads really are, since he claims scum are pushing a wagon but is marking people not on said wagon as scum. That's definitely a scumtell because a town player would probably remember who his own scumreads are, whereas a scum player would have trouble keeping his lies straight. It's the same thing that happens in his post-vote analysis. Basically, Vivax doesn't have consistent scumreads, and his analysis isn't pointing at the people who he says is scum. It's like he has a set of reads he feels some need to push, then writes analysis that isn't really related, rather than having a thought process that connects scumhunting to scumreads. Basically a town player wouldn't make this mistake because he'd be aware of who his scumreads actually are. 20 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:54 PM ET (US) I did point it out in thread, but to my knowledge you never commented. 21 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:56 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Fair enough. Whatever case is made against Vivax though should hinge on his town/scum mentality and not on the "Scumslip" about Yamato77 imo. Scumslips generally aren't actually real. 22 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 01:57 PM ET (US) No, they're very real. Very. But that Vivax thing is not a scumslip. 23 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 05:28 PM ET (US) I'm going to assume that you're not a Nightmare...because your communication only lasts a phase. Why has GK not claimed you masoning with him was that at your request? 24 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 05:34 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Yeah I didn't want it to be confirmed I was a blue. If you want you can ask him to confirm it and I'm sure he will but ideally we don't let scum know this 25 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 05:52 PM ET (US) You're here and not commenting on the case I'm making against Ryu in the thread. Care to comment here if you're trying to let it develop organically in the thread or something? Ryu is essentially claiming scum in the thread from my perspective. 26 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:02 PM ET (US) Edit Delete I'm playing dota ryu looks like shit, we lynch him tmr imo. his claim that he wasn't "afk" or whatever during the development of the greymist case is crap. weird contradictions also evidence for DP being scum but wont' comment on assoc between unflipped, will wait to see ryu flip will write more once i'm done doating 27 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:04 PM ET (US) I wish I could DOTA. *dustkick* 28 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:04 PM ET (US) Edit Delete alt theory: ryu geript zarepath scumteam, but I think DP was under more pressure than zare so this theory less plausib. ryu wanted to setup a GM lynch then hang back and see if it got steam without comitting, which is why his case is weak and explains thread absence after inital bad setup 29 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:06 PM ET (US) Suppose Zare picked up steam? I neglected to comment on Zare what if I had commented and the wagon swung? 30 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:07 PM ET (US) Edit Delete regardless the common factor here is Ryu = scum in either theory, so we lynch him first 31 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:26 PM ET (US) WTF? I don't even care about association theories. LOL 32 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:30 PM ET (US) Edit Delete I don't understand the Zare question then. Overall the ryu thing seems pretty straightforwards: he shifted stance on sandro, he let the wagon push itself, and has given contradictory reads and not backed anything up. How does Zare or you commenting on wagon swings have to do with that? 33 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:34 PM ET (US) I was spitballing with you but you stated it as reasoning for wanting to lynch Ryu. For my part I just don't care what that says about anyone else yet. XD So I'm not crazy then? That's logical and I'm not losing my shit here? 34 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:51 PM ET (US) Edit Delete You're entirely non-crazy. I'll slap down a patented (link)-filled blazinghand style case on Ryu before the end of the night and see how he reacts to it. 35 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-18-2013 06:59 PM ET (US) To be frank you're entirely non-existant this game as compared to LX. I'm not really concerned about geript suspecting you because honestly before this conversation I was suspicious of you too. Being in a QT with someone pretty much excuses that though. Can you go into detail about your read on TPS? 36 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 12:21 AM ET (US) Edit Delete Fair enough. I'll be responding in thread. You wouldn't try to pull this as scum, so at least there's that. I don't think outing me as a Mason is the right move. DrH and Oats have both repeatedly privately threatened me with modkill due to spamming, which is why I have decreased my post count. The thoughts in here if I get shot tonight will corroborate your story that I did in fact mason you. 37 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 12:40 AM ET (US) It's the right move. If you're town you'll be able to prove it. I just don't think so based on the contents of this QT. And because you're "actively decreasing your post count" that's all I have to go on. Sorry dude. 38 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 12:44 AM ET (US) Edit Delete TBH it's probably what I'd do if the situations are reversed. I'll never admit to setup speculation in public, but given a flipped mason, there's higher-than-average chance of other masons being scum. But at least, if I should die tonight for some reason, don't let geript walk free. That miserable cunt is laughing at me, VE. Laughing. 39 VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 12:55 AM ET (US) You will be avenged. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 15:43 Keirathi wrote: As an aside, lets do some setup speculation. How likely is it that there are 2 town aligned masons, with Nightmare already flipping? Granted, Nightmare was a mason-vig, but Mason is a pretty damn strong role. In games with temporary masons, you don't often see them so lopsided, numbers wise :o I hate setup speculation, but yes, this is an entirely reasonable point in the context of speculating about the setup. I can understand VE's reasoning for outing me, especially given that this is the case. I don't really have an answer for this other than that I am a town-aligned mason role, and although it's weird it's not unthinkable, and DrH is a wiley fellow. Okay so lists posts are crap right so I'm gonna keep it short and simple, here are my two scumreads I want to lynch today, and why we should lynch them. I'm leaving wiggles, testsubj, geript wos ryu dp etc unmentioned because they are not my top 2 scumreads and I want to stay focused. Each of them individually has things I dislike about them but barring a something weird happenign with the daypost I won't be pushing them.If that changes and I am still alive, I will let you know. 1) thepeashooter: I've talked a lot about TPS in thread already but mainly I'm concerned about his attempts to _look_ like he's contributing without actually doing it. I'm like 90% sure his "anger" at my spamming is faked given that you had the same filter length as me at the time and his response to it was to just quote a bunch of my posts. He's done a pretty slick job of not contributing to the game and looking like an "emotional townie". Why would he quote all my posts and complain about my filter length when at the time Ve has the same level of spam? (link) this doesn't read "angry town" to me, it reads "fake anger". His weird opt-out of the town discourse D1 (link) is scummy, as well as the fact he had to be forcefully prodded into contributing. I don't buy his theory that he wanted to "let it play out" with GM rather than (link) actively interacting with the case. Imagine you are a townie in this situation. Do you engage and try to get an understanding of what's going on and push your own reads, or even ask questions to refine them? Or do you hang back and "let it play out"? Even if you hang back, you at least ask questions and try to learn more. This is not what town does, this think that TPS has done. A lot of his other posts aren't analysis but are just dismissals (link)(link)(link) in which he doesn't push his own ideas but just naysays what other people have to say. I will be voting for TPS when the daypost goes up based on this. 2) vivax: I know a lot of people like vivax, but I don't. For me, the essence of this scumread comes down to the inconsistency of his own scumreads. As VE has astutely pointed out, Viv sounds weird (link) and inconsistent on his reads (link). Now you may think "BH people change their minds all the time" but that's not what we're talking about here. Vivax doesn't actually remember who he thinks is scum. He claims scum are pushing a wagon, but marks his scumreads as others. What this means is he has an idea (perhaps from his scum QT) of who he should push, and he makes up a rationalization post-hoc. A town player doesn't forget what he thinks-- hwo could he? But scum forgets easily. His analysis is pointing the wrong way, and this isn't a mistake town makes. his thought process isn't town. Although he doesn't have the prepoderance of evidence against him that TPS does, I consider him a highly acceptable lynch candidate. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 14:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Couple things, BH. This was promised and we never got it, and we haven't heard anything regarding your top scumreads, TPS/Testsubject in a while. Are we going to receive any of this before deadline in case you are night target? On March 19 2013 14:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Goodie. I'm always interested to hear what people think about me and I'm particularly interested in TPS. I've weighed in on TPS. We lynch him today. Join me. ##vote thepeashooter | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
you talk about him a lot (link)(link)(link)(link) but I don't see any comments on his alignment besides an early null (link) | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 16:08 Mocsta wrote: Im also surprised only 1 kill.. woudl be nice to know if medics existed In a big game like this mafia almost always has 2 kp and/or there are vigis on both sides or 3rd party kp. Some people must have gotten RBed and/or medicced. On March 19 2013 16:06 WaveofShadow wrote: I'd like to look through his filter a little before I agree to anything. BH I'm not sure how it goes with revealed mason-type stuff, but I'm assuming you'll be choosing a new target today. Would it be a bad idea to reveal to the town whom you will be choosing? I masoned with Zarepath. He has not yet posted in the QT. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 16:15 WaveofShadow wrote: After a quick read-through of his (TPS) filter I don't find anything nearly as damning as you seem to find about him, BH. I'd certainly like to see some more solid reads from him during the day though, as there won't be any excusing a second day of the bare minimum of contribution. I'm interested to hear his thoughts on zare and whether he's changed his mind since reading him as scummy earlier in the day (without committing...) I find it unlikely, but not utterly implausible TPS will be able to convince me his town. That being said, I eagerly await his defense that I might better convince you of his scumminess as my spears of pure logic shred his veil of deceit and lies. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 16:21 DarthPunk wrote: OK so the keirathi kill means that scum was loving the status quo and didn't like keirathi shaking things up with his entrance. Another thing to think about is that keirathi is known for his meta reads so potentially there are one or more scum that keir would have been familiar with. I find it odd that BH would just be left alive as a mason when he could have been sniped easily. But scum could have been dodging medic protection. I would like everyone to look through my viscera eyes case. I think we should lynch him. Unless someone else claims they took a hit, I think we can consider VE "highly likely town" based on night actions. In a normal game like this scum typically has 2 KP, at least at first, and we have exactly 2 KP accounted for, and they make sense as scum kills. Kei was capable town, and VE is a capable scumhunter. Unless I hear something else about what happened overnight, the simplest answer is probably true: scum shot Kei and VE, and a canny medic protected one of our best Vets. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 16:23 DarthPunk wrote: What dos that mean? you are a vet and got hit or that you were medic protected for some reason? Whether VE was mediced or whether he was a Veteran is not something we need to know. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 17:09 Ace wrote: Why would you claim Vet though as Town? Even if the Scum clearly know they shot you, they have no idea how the hit failed. Roleclaiming serves no purpose here. that's what I was trying to get at before he claimed when i posted here On March 19 2013 16:24 Wade Fell wrote: Whether VE was mediced or whether he was a Veteran is not something we need to know. but the point is moot now that he's claimed. Even though it doesnt' make a huge amount of sense it doesn't mean we shoudl be lynching VE today | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
In terms of who OP each QT, the OP of the QT between me and GK was Blazinghand. The OP of the QT between me and VE was Oatsmaster. The OP of the QT between me and zarepath is DrH. The fact that his supremely subpar hosting skills are causing a trip-up in my claim is annoying, but that's just the way it is, and there isn't really anything I can do to be more convincing than telling the truth. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote: The Peashooter Not sure how you missed it, but I did give an updated read on him in one of those links, in which I explained why I thought there was a pretty good chance he is town. Mainly due to his seeming lack of interest in the lynch, I am now neutral on TPS. accusation that his first post was scummy Setup speculation is tempting and I don't expect people to scumhunt in the first hour of the game. + Show Spoiler + If anything, it makes me think townier of him. Does it seem like a typical scum move to get your role PM, meet up with your scumbuddies in the QT, and immediately spend 20 minutes constructing some half-assed setup speculative post, and introducing yourself to the thread with it? IMO, the answer is no. Also, he did not even preview his first post. I think scum would be nervous about blundering with their first post and make sure to at least give it a preview. I strongly disagree. The half-assed setup speculative post is EXACTLY the kind of post you can make as scum without meeting up with your buddies, without having to worry about giving anything away or accidentally being helpful. On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote: accusation of fake anger at spam I don't see sufficient evidence that his anger at your spamming was faked. First of all, it's not like he went on a tirade. He just told you to shut up and consolidate. Secondly, it makes perfect sense that he was mad at you for spamming (as opposed to VE) because he was already pissed at you from your earlier disagreements with him. Thirdly, the sequence of posts he mentions was in fact annoying. Particularly when you and VE spent several posts talking about some other game. He DID go on a tirade, and he admits, publically, that he pressured the hosts to modkill me. If this isn't a tirade I will literally eat my hat IRL. Can VE and I get annoying? Sure, yeah, and sometimes I post a bit too many one-liners, but why no pressure on VE? Why the odd single-minded attack on me? He wasn't attacking "spam", he was attacking "wade fell" and the fact that he unleashed a mountain of quotes when he wanted to make the thread shorter, and he proceeded to not-contribute because he was too busy being "mad", is not something we can simply discount like that. On March 19 2013 20:31 sciberbia wrote: accusations about opting out of town discussion I agree it is a cause for concern that he spent a lot of time talking about Coag when it was pretty obvious that Coag was not a popular lynch target. He could have been using this tunnel as an easy way to appear to be participating as scum. It does bother me that he was content to sit on Coag and for much of D1 even when there is no support at all for a Coag lynch. This is IMO your strongest point against him. accusation concerning his post where he votes GreyMist I agree it is a bit suspicious how he just sheeps onto the GreyMist wagon and doesn't show a lot of interest in the lynch. However, it is also possible that he was genuinely busy, and he was certainly not the only one to show disinterest in the lynch. Look the issue isn't his sheeping onto the greymist wagon. The issue is if he really thought GreYMisT was scum, he'd have been more active with it. This is part of a pattern, a pattern of TPS not really carring about the game. Maybe each piece of evidence on its own wouldn't mean much, but all these things together are indicators that TPS isn't in this for the town, he's in this for scum. He BACKED OFF From the thread as GM picked up steam. Who does that? What is the town motivation for doing that? | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 00:27 ThePeashooter wrote: This is the only indulging I am going to do and it is solely because I like Kitaman. I actually don't even know who he is. I have purposely ignored every question pertaining to this because I don't find it relevant and any other guesses will be firmly ignored. It is relevant, TPS, and here's why. Earlier, you posted this: On March 17 2013 02:21 ThePeashooter wrote: I don't have to be familiar with Coagulations play to objectively view something as bad for the town and scummy. Implying that you were unaware of coag's meta and that he's scum for what he's done. The thing is, if you're like WBG or someone familiar with coag, then you're absolutely double-scum. But if you're Yamato77 who's never played with coag, then this might be believable. And yet you continue to conceal who you really are from town. Perhaps you have some good reason for this, but I doubt it's a reason other than "I am scum and I have been caught by the sexy, manly, delicious Blazinghand" | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 00:57 ThePeashooter wrote: I meant to say who "I actually don't even know who Yamato is" Now I know I'm a bit biased here so I'm going to ask both Ace and Kitaman for a favor here. I would like you to read WadeFall's filter. The reason I want someone else to do this is because I am without a doubt biased against Wade Fall and I feel as though it needs to be done by someone competent. I accept that Wade is stupid, however I believe he crossed the line from just being stupid to actively lying and overextending his reads on me to sway town to lynch me which is an extremely scummy thing. I noticed he was doing it yesterday but it wasn't as overt. If it wasn't overt that I was trying to lynch you yesterday you need to read the thread better. On March 20 2013 00:57 ThePeashooter wrote: Let me dissect his accusation post as an example of what I am talking about so there is a point of reference. You can certainly try. On March 20 2013 00:57 ThePeashooter wrote: I said this multiple times. I don't care about how many posts you have as long as they are actual content. I said this multiple times but for some reason he chooses to ignore this and continue pretending all I care about is post count. Furthermore, he is trying to say my anger is fake. He knows for a fact its not fake since I reported him to the host for spamming even after I asked him to shut the fuck up both nicely then directly. You know I was genuinely annoyed yet you are going to pretend you think I wasn't only because it serves a purpose. This is the definition of malicious intent. The fact of the matter is, you reporting me to the host says nothing about the veracity of your anger. Why not report me to the host with your fake madness? Hell, if you get me modkilled you'll look even better, and have the perfect excuse for not contributing D1. "Look how mad I was, I was so mad I got Blazinghand modkilled, that's why I did nothing useful day 1". I find it particularly clever that you, who tried to get me modkilled are accusing me of malicious intent. No, it is your fake madness that led to a huge opt-out of D1 discourse that serves malicious intent, and I will NOT let you get away with it. On March 20 2013 00:57 ThePeashooter wrote: Please illustrate how I have not contributed at all? You have pretty much done two things, spam and try to kill me but somehow I am the one who has contributed nothing. You give no example apart from you saying it is so. This is my favorite part. His example of me "opting out" of town discourse is a link to him just saying that I did that. At no point did I ever say fuck you for not wanting to lynch Coag and ran away to my cave until the cycle was over. He was one of a couple of people (the other being Coag) who kept pointing out how I abandoned the thread and went inactive even though my most recent posts at the time indicated that I was at work. By "Forceful Prodding" he actually meant "got home from work". You basically DID run away to your cave until the cycle was over. You only weighed in on GK after being pressured on it and you still haven't said anything about DarthPunk AT ALL despite the fact that he was one of the main lynch contendors D1. How do you push GM without even saying SOMETHING about DP? You ran away from the lynch and hid in your cave, and you joke that you didn't but that's literally what you did. On March 20 2013 00:57 ThePeashooter wrote: The only semi legitimate point I suppose so I will elaborate on my train of thought. I know greymist is a veteran player and I was immediately suspicious of him. My notes on him are a link to his first post and a comment that "You can do better than this." I was simply waiting him out and didn't want to give him a reason to go on the defensive if he knew I was suspicious. So you soft-pushed GM because you didn't want him to... know you were suspicous? Why conceal your motives from town? On March 20 2013 00:57 ThePeashooter wrote: On top of this I was already pushing Coagulation who I still wouldn't mind seeing dead. As I stated earlier, there is no reason to push all 5 of your scum candidates at once if you can only kill one at a time. I'd prefer to pressure one and see how the others respond to that pressure. See again you're losing me here because if you wouldn't mind seeing coag dead, you'd be really "pushing" him, but you weren't "already pushing" him you made a vote then failed to follow up or engage directly with our meta claims. If you wanted coag dead why weren't you arguing with people in thread about him? you didn't REALLY want coag dead, or else it would be CLEAR you want coag dead by you fighting to kill him. On March 20 2013 00:57 ThePeashooter wrote: The last part of that is my hopping on the band wagon to kill Greymist. As I said earlier I had been at work and got caught up that night and I wasn't exactly sure when the day post was coming. I saw Greymist thrown out as an alternative to Zare and I knew for a fact that I thought greymist was scummy and was pretty sure I had a townread on Zare at the time. So I chose to change my vote to greymist. I didn't have time to actually post a case or do analysis because I was not home. So I admit, both scenario's are possible, but I feel that I have adequately explained my reasoning for not having said anything about greymist until passively voting for him. If you want further evidence of my reasoning for not listing every single read you can find me speaking to Vivax here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402057¤tpage=39#763 Look how convenient it is that you back away from the thread, that you "want" coag dead but dont' push him, that you're suspicious of GM but don't want to share your thought process with him or the rest of the town, that you only spoke of GK when pressured and you STILL have said nothing about DP. You think my case on you is scummy? My case on you is JUSTICE. It is the TRUTH. And you will hang for it. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 04:33 ThePeashooter wrote: You know I'm beginning to see why Greymist let himself get lynched. If we have townies like you we don't even need scum. YOU THINK COAG IS SCUM WTF Do you think he's scum or town? Or are yous cum pushing his mislynch and did you just tell us the truth, the TRUTH that you know, that COAG IS TOWN and YOU KNOW IT. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 06:30 Coagulation wrote: for what its worth I have felt like literally zero pressure from ThePeashooter. He comes off as trying to make me mad more than trying to make me hang. Yeah see this is part of where I think TPS's whole story falls apart. He claims he's been pushing coag all game, but he hasn't been (just like he backed off from the GM wagon once things started rolling). And now he says Coag is a bad townie, while also claiming coag is scum and he wants to lynch coag. TPS is pretty clearly scum who thought coag was lynchbait. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 06:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm actually down with lynching anywhere inside Wade Fell, RyuSakura, Coagulation They're in order of my preference. last thing you said in thread about tPS was this (link) if he's not a good lynch, explain why plz | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 06:33 VisceraEyes wrote: What about TPS? Do you still think he's scum, or what? | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 06:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Also I feel that CC is the one who should be doing this right now. Looking forward to see what DYH adds later on. Ohai BH! What say you about the VE case? NOT RELEVANT ONLY RELEVANT THING IS LYNCHING TPS | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I haven't confirmed shit, I haven't read the logs yet. Was saving that for the big finale in case they've been tampered with. As I said, I was told I wasn't allowed to post them. So I'm only using my impression from the QT to base my read on with BH. And that impression is that he had scum motivations for masoning me. 1) I see no reason not to inform town immediately if you think the logs have been tampered with 2) what do you think of TPS | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote: They haven't I just reread. I think his posting is consistent. I think he outlines his thoughts well and I think he's probably town. Your turn. What do you think of Ryu? zZz | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 08:03 Vivax wrote: Well what is layabout meaning then if you didn't say anything regarding a confirmation. I've been arguing over him that you don't have to all be scum just cause you're being masoned, and he keeps arguing BH didn't slip cause you should all be scum if that was the case, which isn't true. How is layabout supposed to know that the logs were correct based on what VE and GK say, the argument is complete nonsense if you start from the assumption that: 1. GK would be scum anyway. 2. VE isn't in the same qt as GK As for the mason qt, why does BH need the hosts to make the last two if he was able to make one by himself first? Doesn't that mean that, by rules, the qt has to be created by the hosts? Or else he could simply open the last two by himself as well. How reliable is it that he's blaming his first qt on the host? DrH was being a whiny git so I made the first one, and Oats and DrH made the other ones so I didn't have to. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
more clearly: I don't like ryu, and as I mentioned, I think the case you initially outlined against him is reasonable. Given that TPS has like straight-up claimed scum, doesn't remember his own read on coag and has let slip that he thinks coag is town I don't see why anyone wants to not lynch TPS though | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 08:18 Vivax wrote: Then why did you wait for them to set a new one up in your logs? You had it anyway and if you opened it already it means you already had their consensus and didn't need a new one. They didn't drag their feet for the other 2, they responded immediately to my PMs and opened the QTs. DrH explicitly told me via PM to make the GK mason QT myself. The fact that the hosts' shittiness is making me look bad is infuriating but that's all there is to it. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote: What the fuck is this? I answered your question, why won't you answer mine? We've already talked about Ryu man | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 08:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Your "slip" on him is ridiculous, he literally said "IF we have townies like you, who needs scum" It in no way implies that he thinks Coag is town. It implies that he thinks that IF Coag is town, then scum don't need to be in the equation for town to lose - at least that's how I interpreted it. You're grasping BH. Really really hard. I'm not grasping, and it's not as much a slip as it is an indication of his mindset. If you think coag is scum, do you say "townies like you"? TPS is obviously a smurf, and he claims he doesn't know coag's meta. Does any of this make sense to you at all? | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 08:22 VisceraEyes wrote: And you concluded "we lynch him tmrw imo" You haven't mentioned him ONCE this phase, not to mention never posting that "giant case" you said you'd post before dawn to see how he reacts...which you had PLENTY of time for, as I didn't out you as a mason or say you're scum until like 2 hours before deadline or something. 1) The fact that you waited until 2 hours before the deadline is WHY I was pressed for time 2) I explicitly mention Ryu in my end-of-night post 3) I still dont' understand your about-face on tPS AT ALL | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 08:23 VisceraEyes wrote: he said IF WE HAVE TOWNIES LIKE YOU. Implying that Coag is playing so scummy that if we have townies like him in town we've already lost. IT SAYS IT IN HIS POST BH. BUT HE DOESNT THINK COAG IS A TOWNIE | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 08:27 layabout wrote: It's normal so we have a rough idea, i think in the mafia podcast drh mentioned wanting to use hidden communication roles, if BH is the scum mason and can mason people all the time why would town's only mason be grey's role? Keir was saying that he thinks they will be balanced am i am inclined to agree. So i think it's more likely that his role belongs to town. BH's defense of GK was scummy. His filter looks quite normal for him, i tend to skim his posts. Whose filter looks normal for whom? | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 08:30 VisceraEyes wrote: The last, italicized statement is predicated on the first, bolded statement. If BH is a scum mason and can mason people all the time THEN why would town's only mason be GreY's role? Your reasoning for thinking that there are more than one town mason is LITERALLY the idea that BH is a scum mason. Can you not see how this doesn't make sense? he's saying the assumption it takes to say "BH is scum" is that there are a lot of masons, which is the same assumption it takes to say "BH is town" | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 08:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Really? Because I got "BH is the scum mason, therefor I think his role is town aligned." Your mileage may vary. we must have different prior assumptions | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 04:55 cosmicomics wrote: Ah ... forgot to add this. Vote: VisceraEyes When I get time I'll be catching up more on ThePeashooter business but I want people to look into VisceraEyes in the meantime. still waiting to hear your thoughts on my glorious TPS case | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 09:03 Vivax wrote: It looks like you wrote that post up in a qt and posted it in your scum qt while waiting for hosts to open up the mason one. Was it prepared beforehand or did you write it on the go while in the mason qt? I wrote it in the mason qt | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 09:07 Vivax wrote: Hey BH, you're a pretty quick writer you wrote that post in the mason qt in just 1 minute after a gigantic post in the thread but you say you wrote it there. THREAD: + Show Spoiler + On March 17 2013 09:08 Wade Fell wrote: Your vote is literally meaningless. Coag's meta is to do this. He's well known, and in time we will have a chance to better discern his alignment. You think based on a couple meaningless posts we have grounds to lynch him? He's clearly just joshing around. What I find scummy is an attempt to contribute and write big posts that are actually meaningless, or an attempt to look like you're contributing when in fact you are not. I didn't like your low-quality posts on setup speculation (nonvaluable, looks like you're contributing to the untrained eye) and I like your attack on Coag here even less. What's your reason for voting coag? He made some worthless posts, but unlike you, he took no efforts to make the sewage exploding from his mouth look useful. He might be shit, but at least he's honest about it. What you're doing here? This is a policy lynch of Coag. That's literally what this is. You're saying "coag's style doesn't sit well with me, and even though others have told me about his meta, I'm going to disregard that and just lynch him anyways cause i'm bad or scum" Like, you say coag is scummy and worthless based on a lack of interest int he game 24 hours in, and also this is fucking coag. You know this wagon won't work, but here you get to look "principled" and appear to contribute to town without giving reads on the cases that matter. Why no weighing in on Geript and his scummy play (though he's simply an idiot afaik) or GoodKarma, who although he is playing to his town meta from NMMXXIV and not like scum as he was in LVII, is lynchbait since he posts slowly and poeple don't know him? They're absent from your filter. No thoughts on VE's hilarious but ultimately unuseful plan? It's more and more obvious. You're opting out of the town discourse. It would have fooled a lesser town. But this town has me. You die today, thepeashooter. Anyone who thinks otherwise has another thing coming. QT:+ Show Spoiler + 03-17-2013 09:07 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Okay so the hosts are dragging their feet with setting up the Mason QT so I'll drop some stuff in here since I have to step out for a moment. My power works on a per-phase basis and I was hoping to mason you for D2 but the chance you can be lynched is too high, so instead I'm masoning you for D1 so I can work with you while you're still alive. In any case, I currently have two strong scumreads I want to push, besides my tiff with Testsubject and with TPS (which I need to step back from due to emotional issues, at least for today). I suggest we pool our thoughts and reads since you are a pretty good scumhunter when you have someone to bounce ideas off of. Mainly I am concerned with Mr. Wiggles. He is an aggressive scumhunter and a capable asset as town, but his scum play isn't as good, and I'm pretty sure this is scum Wiggles. He didn't seriously follow-up on his attack on you, and only when prodded has he posted in the thread. When he DOES post, he composes his posts quite well-- they look and smell like cases-- but he doesn't back them up and press them the way a town player who really wanted to lynch his target would. For example, he calls up Coag's meta to defend coag, then utterly ignores meta to attack you. I jumped through all kinds of hoops to deflect it and even now he's trying to get a mislynch off on you, despite admitting you're playing to your town meta. The other player that bothers me is Geript, but I think I might be emotionally against him and seeing things I shouldn't-- I'd like you to check my logic here. Geript has been actively opposing attempts of town to organize and scumhunt, but not in a way that relays concerns for town complacency or other dangers of VE's gambit. furthermore, he is focusing his attacks on the most productive and useful townies rather than try to develop cases or even push his main targets. Whenever there's pushback, he changes who he's attacking. Normally I'd be on him like white on rice, but I mislynched him last game and am worried I am misreading him now. I'm going to be rolling out an attack on Wiggles shortly. Do you have any thoughts? lol you're so bad it's kinda cute | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
I guess this means you're town though, scum would never try to pull such an obviously ineffective stunt | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 09:09 Vivax wrote: Wait a minute I'm getting confused with my european timestamps. Need to double check. I love watching you slowly figure out your foolishness | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 09:40 Blazinghand wrote: Man Wade Fell isn't even REALLY a smurf of me since it's like super clear that I'm Wade Fell. DrH is a great dude, and excellent host, and a friend, but the fact that integrity of my claim is under threat because he had me make the mason QT is NOT something I'm going to leave out of the discussion. If I think pointing out that he was slow to get the QT up and asked me to do it is relevant to the game, I _will_ mention it. And the "4 times in a row" was really 3 times in a row-- i accidentally posted on the Blazinghand account, and had to quote it with Wade Fell so that all the posts would appear in the filter. I do this so that it's possible for people to filter me, because I care about transparency in this game, something that you, a smurf who won't tell us his real name and apparently now has some kind of pre-existing grudge against me (which explains a lot) but somehow has never heard of coag clearly does not | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 09:44 ThePeashooter wrote: I never said I didn't know who coag was. I said that his play was bad for the town regardless of his meta. Looking back now I still wish we killed him because he's still useless and impossible to read now. I never specifically said he was my #1 scum target. I never came close to saying anything to that effect. I got on his case within the first 10 pages of the game and didn't really follow up because there was not much of a case and it was clear the town wasn't going to go for it. I do not feel there is any evidence for or against Coag apart from being inactive and when he's actually here he is useless. Everyone in the game: read this post and tell me TPS is town. I double dawg dare you | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 20 2013 09:46 ThePeashooter wrote: For fucks sake. I already explained to you how to not keep fucking up the same exact way. Get two browsers and have one set for blazing hand and the other for Wade Fall. The one that is Wade Fall you disable everything on the side bar that is not MAFIA. You don't open mafia in the other browser at all. I have been doing this all game and never have I come close to posting under my other account. Stop being fucking lazy and be more aware. Maybe if you used the preview feature this wouldn't be a god damn problem. now you're just being mean. Come on man, we have a game to play, and this is not a valuable use of anyone's effort. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 00:02 DarthPunk wrote: We aren't lynching a cop claim. Especially one that fits with the thought processes in his filter. And we're not lynching his green check either :| It's still possible I'm right about TPS and all you guys are wrong, but it's not sensible to pursue him further today. I'll see if I can refine a case against vivax and look more seriously into wiggles. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
how srs are we | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
Yeah I think there's a very simple solution to this problem: we lynch the guy who claimed 3p. ##unvote ##vote VE | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 01:52 Ace wrote: Stop talking about other people and stay focused on one person at a time. Jesus I don't want to have to teach people how to play my first game back in months. Just dealwith VE now. Re-read the log: He accepted to join a 3rd party that clearly doesn't have interest in helping the Town. Whether VE is still Townis irrelevant: whatever powers he gets or grants to the 3rd party isn't going to help us. Lynch him now. Treat him like a self aware Miller and just solve the problem immediately. If we fail to lynch VE today we deserve to lose. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 01:52 Mocsta wrote: That went over my head was that a backhanded compliment? The point Mocsta is that there is NO possible explanation for VE where you say "yes, he claimed 3rd-party, but I don't want to lynch the guy who has literally claimed 3rd party today" Like why would you ever not lynch the scumclaim | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 01:56 Mocsta wrote: With the information standing.. this is fuckn suspicious, and whose pushing the VE vote. its ACE Why cant he be the mirror? Seriously.. why the fuck would VE out himself like this... I dont see what layabout posted has anythign to do with it.. OK hes a compulsive claimer..perhaps.. surely thats only as blue roles.. not a claimer as scum/3rd party.. The whole situation doesnt make sense. Ok dude Mocsta you say "this situation is confusing" but really is there ANY explanation for this situation, no matter how confused you are, where VE ISN'T third-party who we need to lynch? | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
Ok, fair enough so I'll continue to look for scum. But like at this point I don't see a better choice. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 02:09 zarepath wrote: Scum feel absolutely zero pressure if we all agree to lynch VE, so I'm pretty much going to completely ignore this third party stuff until I feel it's relevant. it's relevant :| | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 02:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Trance is yet another player who just jumped on board the Wavetrain albeit with a little more effort than some of the others. And now he's wrong about both me AND TPS! I still think glurio is town based on gameplay alone, though if you consider the fact that he's barely been to the thread at all, that's scummy glurio. I'll be able to tell his alignment for sure if he comes back and contributes a little. If he doesn't at all, he's scum. TestSubject I got nothing. I have to go look. as soon as i stopped shitting all over him testsubject decided he couldn't be bothered to continue to appear to hunt scum | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Did anyone notice how Blz immediately jumped on the "lynch VE" sentiment and then fucked off? Kinda convenient don't you think? At least have the decency to get lynched quietly. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote: But he was JUST here and commented on NOTHING but the whole VE thing that JUST happened. That's the difference. I did note that WoS's claim of a green check on TPS means I'm not interested in lynching either of them. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I have not claimed scum. I'm town. Wade is ridiculous. wat | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
how do you not recall he posted mason logs in which he joins 3p | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
I don't know where you guys learned to play mafia but there's like no reason not to lynch 3P. We should still make cases and hunt scum but what possible motivation would we have for not lynching a scum player, even if he's 3P? | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 03:03 Mocsta wrote: Mr. BH To more pressing matters.. please address the below I had a townread on GK before the mason logs, which is why I masoned him. The masonry happened near the end of D1 and the way he reacted to my discussion of wiggles (noting that we need to consolidate) and GM's martyring both seem pretty transparent to me. D1 and onwards it's been like super-double-obvious GK is town and I don't know why this is even up for discussion. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 03:04 Mocsta wrote: WTF man.. is this wackytabacky hour with VE or something? If testsubject isnt playing anymore.. why WONT you lynch him? seriously testsubj is literally one of 3 people I want to lynch right now besides VE man. jesus | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 03:05 Mocsta wrote: Wrong but wahtevers, not relevant 3p dont win with scum.. hence are not aligned with scum 3P and scum are both anti-town.. nothing more, nothing less moving on now SCUM = not town 3p is not town 3p is scum | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 03:07 Wade Fell wrote: testsubj is literally one of 3 people I want to lynch right now besides VE man. jesus Like I gave a list of 3 people I want to lynch, note that one of them is my top choice, and you point out another one and are like "OMG WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO LYNCH HIM" when he's literally one of the three people I want to lynch. What the fuck is wrong with you | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol BH. Why Vivax over Wiggle? Actually I take that back definitely not Vivax. I forgot that he pulled that really dumb stunt with the mason logs earlier-- there's no way he'd actually try to do that unless he was town and legitimately thought I was scum. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote: I am not the one screaming lynch VE the evjk thief partyy this still doesn't answer his query. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 05:11 DoYouHas wrote: @VE - Why did you post about BH masoning you when you did? And why did it take you so long to realize that logs were allowed to be posted after BH posted them, which, even if it contradicted what you had heard from the hosts, means that the information was no longer exclusive to the QT and was now fair game? don't forget his semi-allegations that I falsified logs, which he never followed up on | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 05:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I just didn't think about the logs man. They weren't even factoring in because I specifically asked if they were allowed. I assumed that if that were changed I would have specifically heard something to that regard. It was apparently in the thread and I missed it though. I posted about BH masoning me because I thought he was scum based on my conversation with him during the cycle and based on my observation of his play D1/N1. If he's scum, I wanted the fact that he's masoning people and specifically requesting that this fact be kept secret IN the thread. Becuase that's active manipulation of town. Active. Look I have a good reason to not want to claim mason to thread. Was I masoning people without telling the thread? Yeah, sure. But all that does is paint a target on my back if I claim mason! Come on, man. And how did you NOT SEE IT in the thread? Like come on, man, there was a LOT of talking about it. This just doesn't add up at all. I don't understand your thought process. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes I did it for readability purposes. The timestamps are of no consequence, but if you want an unabridged copy I can certainly provide one. wat this is like the worst explanation | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 05:15 goodkarma wrote: I have this simple question for you VE: If you're town, and felt inspired to copy paste in mason chat logs, why are there no timestamps? Wouldn't you have to take a deliberate effort to omit them? And if we assume it's true that VE became some kind of 3P: we don't know its purpose. When last I checked our objective was to remove all mafia. There are 3P setups where the 3P is benign or has some kind of objective that isn't really anti-town. Like assassins in LVII or some kind of survivor role. For all we know 3P here could also be benign to town. All we could do is speculate... Like what if The Mirror is really The Devil. To win, he needs to "empower" three different individuals. These individuals actually lose their roles, but are never notified. Or some other such thing... It's all speculation. We simply don't know, and quite honestly we shouldn't care right now... We 100% know that mafia have the means to kill us off, and they should be our priority. If we lynch VE today, it should be on the merits of him being possibly mafia rather than 3P. Okay, admittedly mafia is possibly a bigger threat than 3P, and there are benign 3P roles like survivor that don't mechanically inhibit a town win. At this point, though, I don't trust anything VE has to say. He outed me to the thread at a weird time, as has been mentioned. He removed the timestamps from his logs "for readability" and posted them, soft-claiming 3p (which he walked back as people voted him) and he's been making weird noises about me being scum but not seriously pushing me for like over 48 hours. Whatever VE is, he's not playing for the town. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 05:21 VisceraEyes wrote: I have not softclaimed 3p. That's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Why would anyone of any alignment do that? It IS super retarded, but calling it retarded doesn't change what's in the (possibly doctored) logs. I don't know why you did it, you tell me. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 05:23 DoYouHas wrote: I find it hard to believe that you has such a lapse in regards to the logs. Whenever I (or anyone really) has a top scum read that they are actively pursuing, which you were after revealing the BH had masoned you, I pay pretty close attention to that person's posts until they either alleviate my suspicions, or are dead. So I don't buy that you didn't notice the logs. And once you notice them, that would immediately create conflict which would quickly lead you to the host announcement that logs are allowed. This is a townie train of thought for someone pursuing their top scum read, it is not the train of thought you displayed. As for your second part, how would any of what you were trying to reveal to the town changed if you had waited until day2 to post about it? DYH has a very solid point here. when someone has a scumread, they push him. And when that scumread starts dumping mason logs, including one you haven't read like GK, and there's a huge kerfuffle in the thread about like who made the QTs, what's in there, etc, you can't just be like "yeah my top scumread has supported his claim but I'm not really paying attention to him" because that makes no sense from the perspective of a town player pushing a scumread | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
you're literally not reading the thread | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 08:07 TestSubject893 wrote: I disagree. I'm not going to get into another fight with you over this. You've made it clear you can't have discussions with newer players without spamming. That's not gonna stop me from defending myself against your poorly-veiled omgus. Here are posts in which I say or explain your scumminess: (link)(link)(awesome link)(link)(link)(link) then you stopped posting so I couldn't shoot you down more. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
This isn't even a scumtell, this is a "testsubject is whiny and unhelpful" tell | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 08:20 TestSubject893 wrote: The last two of those you don't mention me other than just saying I'm scum. Only the "awesome link" contains any real reasoning and the others are just hyperbole. You're effectively just agreeing with me. I'm saying all you had very little argument against me and you come back with, "No, no, look, once I said 'not active enough' and these other times, I called you scum". You're telling me the self-proclaimed best scum hunter on TL bases his top scum read day one solely on "hasn't made any cases"? Please. 1) you're scum 2) i'm not the best scum hunter on tl, but I have like top 3 control 3) just because you, a scum player, find my arguments unconvincing doesn't mean they don't exist. 4) you'rescum | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
1) I didn't want to mason with him until I was pretty sure he was town (at this time I wasn't outed to the thread yet) 2) the hosts were drunk/afk and eventually it was like "ok come on" and they were like "mak ur own QT bro also you have large penis" and I was like "ah, thank you DrH it's kinda creepy you know I have a large penis, but that is a true fact. I will now make the QT" also it's like super dooper obvious that everything about VE's claiming and logs is fishy. we just lynch him and all fishiness goes away. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 08:24 TestSubject893 wrote: Oh, Oh, I can spam too, let me try. BH, stop being so helpful. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. BH, please stop. BH BH BH BH BeeAych Stahp No, wait the opposite. I get it, it's sarcasm because I'm super helpful and awesome and you've made like 3 posts all game | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 08:25 TestSubject893 wrote: Seriously though, your arguments were non-existent. Anyone who takes the time to look at those links will see that. almost as non-existent as your thread presence and "usefulness" during all of D1. You opted out of the town discourse! You didn't even push cases or votes (and you're only questionably doing that now), you talked about the "town atmosphere" and basically lollygagged. Anyone who reads your filter will say "wow bh is so sexy, so amazing, why haven't we lynched testsubj yet" | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 08:29 TestSubject893 wrote: Its almost like had more time unable to play this game than able to play it since it started. Why can't you just have a level-headed discussion with people? Are you that full of yourself that you have to insult every newbie you interact with? I don't insult you at all in that quote. It's literal fact that you have been useless, and that you did avoid talking about anything of substance. That's just how it is, man. That's the truth. Unless you find me complimenting myself insulting, in which case I say: I'm just too sexy not to call myself sexy. I hope that you don't mind. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 08:30 TestSubject893 wrote: If you want to lynch people for being in the fucking hospital go right ahead. Ah yes, the "out of game excuse" for being absent. Will ignore. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote: DP... i know you feel strongly about gk... are you tempted by TestSubject? His +1 vote timing on GreyMist is *very* suspicious and to me with the thread sentiment at the time, speaks of mafia. i am highly tempted by testsubj gk still town for reasons mentioned zare has been silent in mason qt for long time dunno what his problem is | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 12:37 goodkarma wrote: There's like honestly no reason... What you just posted makes sense to me. The "not useful" meta argument I had doesn't seem to hold water, as I believe this is a solid case. While your day one was very scummy, as was some of your wishy-washy reads from today, I feel your case deserves consideration. Unfortunately, time is short. I'm going to change my vote while I look further into this.: ##Unvote ##Vote: Ace I don't get why we're voting ace | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 12:42 Mocsta wrote: To give you context, i *JSUT* finished Day1 15min ago .. so am basically up to date with the thread, cos i been keeping up since i replaced in night 1. TestSubject did nothing notable Day1, other than banter with BH.. which frankly to me is not alignment indicative (as much as ppl are giving credit to newbies for doing it). His vote on GM, comes at a time where he is starting to look suspcious due to the martrying.. whats interesting is that the 2 last ppl that voted after the martrying = Wos & TestSubject, but how they went about the voting is completely different. TestSubject is very cold and distanced. & the vote was an easy +1.. its just very scummy to me The big problem was this though: His sole justification is.. here are examples of ppl who martyred when scum... because greymist martyred The syllogism is... all maryrs are scum => greymist is scum THATS BULLSHIT!!... and scummy reasoning. Its clear town marytr too..look at Geript.. fuck.. even testsubject was in that game. Conveniently he ignores this. He has misconstrued information to support his "distanced" vote. Thats scum guys.. THAT IS SCUM. In fact.. i cant walk away from this. ##Unvote ##VOTE: TESTSUBJECT You walked into the room and took a piece of my heart | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
yeah in case it hasn't been clear testsubj hasn't really been "in the bathroom" or wherever, he's carousing with his scumbuddies in the scum QT and comes back when people start to bite and that's it. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote: You want to know why I was trying to stay concise? So I wouldn't waste everyone's time having to read another 3 pages of spam from BH. Every time I've posted this game he just takes a shit in the thread. Its getting in the town's way, and I don't know why no one else wants to kill him for the obviously anti-town behavior. I'm not saying that its scummy because scum have done it or because town haven't. Its just scummy, I happen to mention some scum who I've seen do it lately. We can't just let people martyr. Otherwise scum would do it every time and just get away from lynches. I'm not sure what's wrong with that reasoning. This case doesn't seem to have enough solid reasoning for you to want to kill me. Please give me the rest of your reasoning so I can help you sort through that as well. The idea "I don't want to be helpful because BH is spamming" isn't a coherent defense of your play | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 03:16 AM ET (US) Edit Delete I'll keep it short and simple: this QT lasts until the end of the day. I think you're town, but there is a strong current of lynch against you. If you die, it happens, but the most important thing is to use your time alive as best you can. I won't be posting the logs of this QT except with your permission, or to save one of us from a lynch. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18055501 I like how you're thinking here- I like how you think in general, fearlessly and townie. I've updated my case against TPS, and I'd like to know who your top scumreads are, if TPS is among them and whether you'd be interested in collaborating with me to get him lynched. If we both share our though processes with each other, we can get better reads on each other. Do not claim your role to me. 2 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 03:31 AM ET (US) Edit Delete I'm heading to bed and will be back in thread in ~9-10 hours. 3 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 09:06 AM ET (US) Honestly, you were one of my scum reads until I read all this Messenger stuff, and after reading this QT and before reading the other ones, I thought this was highly suspect -- if you want help lynching your top scum read, why do you pick the townie with the least amount of credibility? Right now I'm going through all the filters to group my reads and present them to the thread, to hopefully get myself some more town cred. Hopefully I'll see something about TPS that makes me agree with you and we can work it out. I'll tell you my reads before I post them up there if you want. 4 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 10:44 AM ET (US) Yeah, I'm just not seeing TPS as scum. He's too assertive and active. There are plenty of other people who look way more suspect, like TestSubject, layabout, Mr. Wiggles, and Trance. 5 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 12:49 PM ET (US) Are you following the thread at all? They're pulling a quote from your logs that makes it look like the first line wasn't written in the Messenger QT. How did that happen? 6 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 05:00 PM ET (US) Edit Delete DrH was being a slow piece of crap and not setting up the QT between me and GK very quickly. He PMed me and told me to set it up myself and send him the link. I did so, but I he didn't reply (and neither did Oats) and GK didn't post in the thread, so I wrote up a post and stepped out. Later, DrH PMed the link to GK and we used the QT I set up. 7 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 05:06 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Also zare you don't seem to get the idea behind this QT. I'm probably one of the best scumhunters on TL. Although if I agree on reads I would appreciate your help, the purpose of this QT is to see what your thought process is like, and to get better insight into what you think. You are not my top town-read, you are just a townread I have that a lot of people think are scum. Since I'm already outed to the thread, it makes the most sense to mason you and try to learn more about your thought process. 8 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 07:17 PM ET (US) Yeah, no problem. I'm down with talking more except you were busy at the same time that I was free, so we couldn't really discuss things. I'm open to talk more later but nwo I have to go do some stuff. Ask me any private Q's you want in the meantime if you want. 9 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 09:34 PM ET (US) Edit Delete On March 20 2013 10:33 Coagulation wrote: the butt hurt in this thread is getting thick. I can hardly walk in it. assholes and elbows deep in butt hurt rofl 10 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 09:36 PM ET (US) Edit Delete so that slip from TPS about coag's alignment imo seals it for me. his last post or so has been more reasonable, but there's no good explanation for that slip other than "TPS is scum and knows coag is town". I'll be continuing to push him. I'm pretty sure I can convince people at this point 11 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 10:16 PM ET (US) Honestly, I think even if you're onto something, nobody will listen to you because it looks like you are tunneling him and you've been fairly abrasive with VE and TPS. I think it would go a long way if you were to list some other people you also thought to be scum, and mentioned why, and then explained why your scum read on TPS is still the best read. 12 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-19-2013 10:17 PM ET (US) I like the case on WoS a lot right now. His slip is pretty similar to TPS's slip, actually. I wonder if there's something there. 13 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 12:52 PM ET (US) Edit Delete looks like TPS has claimed cop with a blue check on WoS, which means we aren't lynching either of them today. VE seems to have claimed 3p so it's highly clear what we shoudl be doing here. 14 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 12:56 PM ET (US) Edit Delete er, vice-versa: WoS has claimed cop with a blue check on TPS so no need to lynch WoS, he'll be shot tonight anyways. TPS probably also. It's only a problem if they live for a few days. 15 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 01:08 PM ET (US) Yeah. So this third party stuff seems really sloppy on VE's end - I mean, why post the logs revealing that you are a traitor? It seems pretty stupid to me. I'm honestly not going to spend much more time worrying about VE until the night actions go crazy tonight. Scum feel no pressure if we just agree to lynch VE. 16 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 01:34 PM ET (US) Edit Delete The best solution imo is to vote for VE and aggressively FoS someone else with a big case. The fact that someone has claimed scum doesn't mean we stop the hunt 17 zarepathPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 01:39 PM ET (US) I guess... honestly I just wish he hadn't switched. Lynching third party players just seem like a waste of a lynch to me. Mafia has 2 KP; we need to get rid of them first, imo. Either way, I think most of town has now moved on to looking at other players, so as long as we're discussing potential scum, I suppose that's okay. 18 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 04:16 PM ET (US) Edit Delete now VE is like straight up making shit up 19 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 04:18 PM ET (US) Edit Delete So I am liking a testsubject lynch for tmr. He's been straight-up lurking to avoid confrontation, and now this OMGUS. I'm going to push him through the night in case I get shot. Is your read on him still null-scum, or have you updated it? 20 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 05:19 PM ET (US) Edit Delete glurio has definitely been actively lurking. He's posting a bit but mostly to sheep the town opinion (especially with the WoS situation). The fact that he's starting to weigh in and take sides now, after the claiming-dust has settled, imo is scummy. That being said, I'm not interested in lynching him at this moment, because my other scumreads are much more sure. Last night you noted a townread on glurio because of his willingness to check metas and defending you, but simply defending you shouldn't be the only basis for a twonread, and meta is pretty easy for scum to fake. Have you updated your read on him given his activity today or is it still the same? 21 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 07:13 PM ET (US) Edit Delete I've gone from feeling sure to feeling iffy on Vivax-- although I initially found him quite scummy, I now agree with what you said last night about him: he puts too much effort into way-too-shitty cases to be anything but a confused townie. Especially that thing "analysing" my timestamps from my logs. if he were scum he'd know there was nothing to find, but if he were town he'd be confused by the timestamps and think I fabricated them if he misread the timezones. Was he wrong and bone-headed? yeah, sure. But the _way_ he was wrong, and his mindset that's revealed, show him to be town. Is your read consistent with that? 22 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 09:16 PM ET (US) Edit Delete I will admit, also, that I feel a small amount of doubt on the VE lynch. Nothing I'd reveal in thread of course, but the point is, VE is at this point unreadable/compromised on everything. I have no idea what he's thinking or doing, or how his logic functions. Nothing he's done has made sense, and these upcoming "megacases" dont' have meaning. We have to flip him at this point if we want to know if anything he's ever said was true. so that doubt is meaningless but still :/ 23 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 09:30 PM ET (US) Edit Delete To clarify, I'm not saying "lynch VE regardless of alignment" but rather that he is surrounded by doubt and non-ransparency. The only way this could come about is that he is scum. The mindset just doesnt match up. 24 BlazinghandPerson was signed in when posted 03-20-2013 11:21 PM ET (US) Edit Delete Hey man this is kind of a critical time, it would be good to have someone to bounce ideas off of, or for you to at least let me know what you're thinking. I still stand by my initial meta read of GK, but he's under a lot of pressure. I don't think he's gonna get lynched, at least, but I have doubts now anyways. bleh | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 12:59 TestSubject893 wrote: You're right that I don't have a heavy emotional investment in this game, I don't really want to be playing because dealing with BH is the opposite of fun. You're wrong that I was distant as bartender. There was plenty of emotion in that game, go back and look. You've got yourself a case of confirmation bias. yeah well dealing with you is the opposite of productive | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 13:11 Mocsta wrote: U gonna throw jabs.. or follow me with a vote, bish yeah i'm tired of dealing with this obvscum and his 'tude ##unvote ##vote testsubject893 | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 13:19 DarthPunk wrote: Tell me why GK is being useless and posting far less than he has in every town game of his? show me how this is a scum trait of his? he's more quiet as town, especially early | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 13:24 DarthPunk wrote: it's not early. It's the end of day 2 and he has done sweet fuck all. You should know from coaching GK that he does not play like this as town. GK tries to take charge of the scum hunt as town. This game he is just hanging out in the background sheeping onto cases again and again blending in and being useless. He's literally aggro as fuck and flings reads around rather than being contemplative and slow when he is scum. I've demonstrated this. You've played with him and you knwo this. Stop misreading him. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 13:28 DarthPunk wrote: Lol are you for real? Have you not see me play scum? i'm for real we've had shit-flinging competitions i know you man | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 13:29 DarthPunk wrote: Right well you should know that I am abrasive as scum as well. I know but 1) you are also abrasive as town 2) the cases on you are bs ps being town doesn't mean you're good is till have the same general opinion of you i always do | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 14:35 DarthPunk wrote: LoL you obviously don;t read the thread properly. Those are the two epople I'm willing to lynch and nobody is vote ts | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 14:39 TestSubject893 wrote: There's no one voting for TranceStorm right now, that's a silly idea. TS893 | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 14:43 TestSubject893 wrote: That's silly too. There's only 2 votes on not only did you express interest in moving your vote, but Mocsta just implied he'd be moving his. I am interested in moving my vote to VE. That being said, you have essentially claimed scum in thread several times, and if there will be vote shennanies I'd highly enjoy shennanieing onto you, kind sir | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote: Rofl, what? Show me the scum claims sometime. Not now though because we've got more important things to do. Your scumclaim is the fact that you haven't hunted scum or been in the thread or done anything except scumslide around in the thread when people finally call you out for your lurking and lack of contributions | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 14:48 TestSubject893 wrote: Wow, there's like a dozen claimed scum then. Who thought a game could be balanced with more mafia than town? Except you're actively pretending to be a helpful dude (albeit poorly) rather than just being afk | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 14:50 TestSubject893 wrote: Nice try, but I see where this is going. I'm not getting into another spamfest. It would have been a nice distraction though. I bet your scum teammates are proud of the effort. you STILL haven't addressed my case against you. and when I call you out for your scumminess you claim I'm trying to spam, but you can't make my case go away just by ignoring it. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 14:52 TestSubject893 wrote: You're just trolling at this point. Anyone wanna switch to BH? He's pretty clearly trying to distract the thread here. We're gonna have to kill the scum at some point so I'm totally cool with killing him today and VE tomorrow. You can't just _say_ I'm trolling when I'm legitimately saying you are ignoring my case. Saying it doesn't make it true. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
The only way to avoid a horrible mislynch today is to lynch VE ##unvote ##vote VisceraEyes | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 15:43 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm having a bad game. That's a fact. Regardless of what you think of my alignment, you can see this to be the case (I'm about to be lynched D2, this helps no one on my team regardless which team it is). But all the FACTS point to me being town. It's not just the facts, it's the MEANING behind the facts. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
stop not lynching VE | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 16:05 DarthPunk wrote: Funny that you promised a mega case post and then tunnelled a townie to death instead. I don't find this surprising at all. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 22 2013 04:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not saying I'm 3rd Party, and I'm not saying town should believe that I'm 3rd Party. I'm saying that Wade Fell is pushing for my lynch BASED ON the premise that he believes that I'm 3rd Party. This is a fact. I'm saying that Wade isn't interested in anything I say, he just pokes at me occasionally. I'm trying to understand a town motivation for the way he's posting right now, it's not town BH at all. Contrast the way he's treating me with the way he treated geript in LX. When Wade was absolutely certain of geript's guilt, he was still actively encouraging him to post his thoughts. He was pumping him for information, IN SPITE of him being the top lynch candidate. That's because he was town and was looking for information on where to go after geript flipped red. But geript never did end up flipping red... MY point is that he's done nothing like that in this game. He's not interested in hearing what his suspects have to say. He's only interested in getting them lynched. And that difference points to a scum agenda. There's a pretty big difference, VE. Geript was being Geript and was refusing to contribute or write cases, which is why I had to constantly prod him. Chezinu of course was a lost cause so I didn't ask him to write cases. You, on the other hand, acted much more cunningly. You promised "supercases" (link) since you wanted to leave something behind in case you got lynched, the proceeded to claim you were at work and couldn't write them, (link), then said you'd get to them later but now you wanted to push Ace (link), completely ignoring your promise to write cases until after nightfall. You promised "supercases", on Wiggles, Ryu, Me, and DP (note that ace was not on your list, but you dropped everything to push his mislynch) and haven't materalized with anything close to a supercase, and in fact have only mentioned me at all. I'll admit, you suckered me good with your promise of super cases. But that doesn't make me scum-- it just shows your true colours. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 21 2013 11:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm making a case on Wiggles. It's irrefutable I can assure you. This is the time. OUR FREEDOM IS AT HAND!!! On March 21 2013 12:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I want Ace to die. As I'm about to show, he is scum, and his head should roll. --redacted-- On March 21 2013 12:49 VisceraEyes wrote: OH MY GOD I WOULD TOTALLY LYNCH ACE WHAT THE HOLY ************ | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
B: "how about we lynch C?" A: "despite the fact that I 100% believe you to be scum, yes, I find your reasoning sound. :D" yeah this doesn't make sense to me at all. Care to enlighten us VE? | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
look at him and tell me he's not scum | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 22 2013 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: WADE FELL CLAIMS SCUM LMFAO WHAT IS THIS SHIT?! nice misrepresentation. I'm saying my arguments stand on their merits, you are scum WHETHER OR NOT I am scum so we lynch you | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
WHERE IS IT? You said he was irrefutably scum. THEN YOU'RE LIKE HEY WIGGS LETS BE BUDDIES | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 22 2013 05:38 VisceraEyes wrote: I saw a good case in the Wiggles case. I agreed with the Wiggles case. There's nothing more to say on the matter. IT doesn't matter if he's my top scumread because he posted a case I agreed with on someone else I was suspicious of - much in the way that you agreed with my suspicions on Ryu. But you know, failed to post said "super BH case filled with links and shit"? Remember that BH? You're using this as the crux of your argument against me and you did THE EXACT SAME THING ON N1. Yeah i didn't post a huge case because you SHAT ON ME by outing me in the thread and I specifically note that Ryu is not my top scumread at the end of the night. I still post cases, because I'm afraid hey maybe I'll die. But you haven't posted at ALL about wiggles. Do you think he is scum? Yes or no answer pls | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 22 2013 05:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Which by the way Wade, how's that suspicion of Ryu coming? You keep grasping at things that might possibly make me scum, when you keep NOT providing any supporting reasoning for anyone else you're suspicious of. You're overly aggressive with both myself AND TestSubject AND Peashooter, when you provide virtually NO REASONING for being suspicious. I've provided tons of reasoning for all my reads, and I do NOT think TPS is scum any more and I have stated so clearly in the thread. Testsubject is literally trying to lurk his way to victory (which, btw, is WHAT HE DOES when he's not town) and you STILL have no clear explanation for what you were thinking during D2 | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
you know this | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
but seriously dude I don't speculate on night actions, and there is a good reason for this: for all I know you're third party and you got shot, or you're scum and you held back a shot, or scum has 1 kp for whatever reason, or a scum player got rbed. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 22 2013 06:34 RyuSuzaku wrote: I didn't mention your case on him because it's nothing but tunneling him to oblivion. I hold nothing either of you have said about each other to any sort of regard. So you think there's a reasonable explanation for VE's flipflopping on his irrefutable evidence that wiggles is scum? Yeah VE is a tunnely bastard but my logic is SOUND. Ve's actions do not come from a town mindset. | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On March 22 2013 06:43 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not doing this. I'm not getting drawn into an argument with you. If you think I'm scum then lynch me tomorrow or shoot me tonight if you're able. I don't have time to fuck with you...I've got cases to write. you fooled us with this statement yesterday never again | ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
|
Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
| ||
| ||
