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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 17 2013 23:20 GMT
#940
did OE actually put up a fight? I'll be disappointed if it was super easy
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 17 2013 23:34 GMT
#942
my case too good. yo.

i feel this game should be at least partially solveable given what we know and stuff. I'll actually read the thread and get back to you guys once i've thought about it and talked to kei.

The jailkeeper claim is really really dodgy.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 00:05 GMT
#944
Or you can count the mislynches/lynches and work out you're talking bollocks

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 00:11 GMT
#946
On March 18 2013 09:05 FiveTouch wrote:
Or you can count the mislynches/lynches and work out you're talking bollocks

~marv

By this, he means we only have 1 mislynch left, not 2.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 00:28 GMT
#950
Just for clarification, since OP isn't specific:

Are NKs factional, or carried out by a specific player? IE, can a jail keeper stop a NK offensively?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 01:08 GMT
#961
On March 18 2013 09:44 DrParnassus wrote:
whatever.

lets just go along with the plan.

i don't think there's much of a need for either newbieobs/FT/myself to really say anything for the rest of the game. everyone else can battle it out to prove who is town. moology/promato/golems are the chosen ones


this is lazy and I'm not lazy despite not having read the last 15 pages of the game. there should be some correct answer and hopefully i will provide it.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 01:09 GMT
#962
for example why are you saying Promato are battling it out to prove they are town when they put suspicion on OE before I did (even though I thought OE was mafia by then :p)
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 01:13 GMT
#964
On March 18 2013 10:12 DrParnassus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 10:09 FiveTouch wrote:
for example why are you saying Promato are battling it out to prove they are town when they put suspicion on OE before I did (even though I thought OE was mafia by then :p)


that's the only significant thing he's done the entire game


...

more significant than anything you've done this game...
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 03:39 GMT
#975
I think you guys should fight about it.

(Also, it's pretty strange how both of you were so sure that golems was lying 24 hours ago, but now you're more interested in each other. What changed?)
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:03 GMT
#986
On March 18 2013 12:52 Moology wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 12:47 Promato wrote:
On March 18 2013 12:39 FiveTouch wrote:
I think you guys should fight about it.

(Also, it's pretty strange how both of you were so sure that golems was lying 24 hours ago, but now you're more interested in each other. What changed?)


wat? I never thought the golems were lying. I've had them as town since day one.

Yeah.. so you guys bussed VE who conveniently doesnt post in this thread again, but is active in his other game

& *knew* golems are town lol.... yeah, *thats* what i call a slip

How the fuck is that a scum slip? Rofl.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:12 GMT
#996
On March 18 2013 13:05 Moology wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 13:03 FiveTouch wrote:
On March 18 2013 12:52 Moology wrote:
On March 18 2013 12:47 Promato wrote:
On March 18 2013 12:39 FiveTouch wrote:
I think you guys should fight about it.

(Also, it's pretty strange how both of you were so sure that golems was lying 24 hours ago, but now you're more interested in each other. What changed?)


wat? I never thought the golems were lying. I've had them as town since day one.

Yeah.. so you guys bussed VE who conveniently doesnt post in this thread again, but is active in his other game

& *knew* golems are town lol.... yeah, *thats* what i call a slip

How the fuck is that a scum slip? Rofl.

The point was, it was more of a slip, than what they are trying to fabricate on moology

(moc)

No it's not.

And I'm not even saying that you slipping and saying "frame" instead of "jail" is a scum slip. I don't think it is. But it was at least a slip of the tongue. Nothing about what you quoted could even come close to being a slip.

(Although Prom should probably talk to Yamato. Yamato was definitely suspicious of golems last night.)
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:22 GMT
#1005
On March 18 2013 13:21 DrParnassus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 13:20 Moology wrote:
On March 18 2013 13:17 DrParnassus wrote:
On March 18 2013 13:15 Moology wrote:
On March 18 2013 13:12 DrParnassus wrote:
On March 18 2013 13:12 Moology wrote:
On March 18 2013 13:07 DrParnassus wrote:
Moology, you are here.
In 5 minutes you better answer whether you are blue or scum.

Or I am policy lynching you for withholding information.

lol

how about insert option #3?


What is that option?

The game has 3 roles does it not?


gnnnh?
Explain pl0x

2 words
1st starts with a V
2nd starts with a T

fuckn flood cotnrol
(moc)


Vet? that's not even in the OP

Your reading skills are bad.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:24 GMT
#1008
On March 18 2013 13:23 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 13:15 Moology wrote:
On March 18 2013 13:08 Promato wrote:
Okay mocsta. I say we play a game. You pretend you know I am town and tell me who your next scumspect is. Explain why you suspect that person (hydra) and why they will look scummier after my green flip. In return I won't call you an idiot for the duration of this game.

Well the game is solved.

castingGolems *are* most likely town. I dont expect scum framer + scum RB'r

So they are either scum goon fake claiming (plausible due to VE lynch, but unlikely)

or actual blue role (most likely).


I know my role.. and i know my interactions with ppl like FT/Dr.P went someway to divining all our alignments as town..
so that leaves you as the lowest hanging fruit; in short: I cant play along because I can't envisage a different scenario.

(moc)

How exactly is that even plausible? Newbie WAS roleblocked. If we were a goon that would not have happened. If we were goon fakeclaiming RB or JK then why no counterclaim JK, making it easy as fuck to catch us in a lie and lynch?

Err what? How do you know they were roleblocked?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:25 GMT
#1010
EBWOP: besides the "fact" that you roleblocked them? Did they claim it in the thread? Where?
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:29 GMT
#1016
On March 18 2013 13:28 Promato wrote:
...why, did you not read your role pm?

This.

This is exactly what I was getting at. In the OP it gives the exact JK role PM. And in that PM, it says that targets are not notified that they are roleblocked.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:35 GMT
#1024
On March 18 2013 13:31 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Lol I'm pretty sure I read JK and Soniv and I got really excited that we weren't VT for once.
Whatever, if DrH can go an entire game (LX) without reading any of the fucking roles and still play, be town and look scummy as fuck for not reading, then I'm allowed to not remember/read the entirety of mine.

Either way, proof or not, this doesn't change what happens tonight.

It doesn't work like that. Someone else being bad doesn't excuse you being bad.

I mean, by that logic, you could literally do ANYTHING and it would never point to you being scum or town. Or hell, even apply to outside the game. "Bonnie and Clyde got away with robbing banks for X years, so I can too!"

No.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:46 GMT
#1029
Anyways, Promato is still the strongest of my town reads between Prom/Moology/Golems.

Everyone seems to not like my reasoning, but I went back and looked through a few of Yamato/Prom's scum games. I never saw anything similar to yamato's un-provoked read swap. And, on top of that, marv and I together (with something like 40+ games of experience between us) can remember a single instance of a scum reach change like that for absolutely no reason. Much less in the face of EXTRA reasoning. Combine that with pushing a damn good reason that VE was scum, and I just don't see it.

I'll talk with marv more about it tomorrow before the deadline, though.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:46 GMT
#1031
EBWOP: can't*
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 04:55 GMT
#1035
On March 18 2013 13:48 Moology wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 13:46 FiveTouch wrote:
Anyways, Promato is still the strongest of my town reads between Prom/Moology/Golems.

Everyone seems to not like my reasoning, but I went back and looked through a few of Yamato/Prom's scum games. I never saw anything similar to yamato's un-provoked read swap. And, on top of that, marv and I together (with something like 40+ games of experience between us) can remember a single instance of a scum reach change like that for absolutely no reason. Much less in the face of EXTRA reasoning. Combine that with pushing a damn good reason that VE was scum, and I just don't see it.

I'll talk with marv more about it tomorrow before the deadline, though.

Sure but i dont think u guys give yourself enough credit for the fear you could invoke in scum.

I mean think about it.. scum woulda knoew hardpec were town; so 2 supervet teams are town against VE; how does it make sense for balance for VE/OO to be paired with another newbie-ish team like casting or moology?

Prome/VE at least offers some threat to palmar/marv

(moc)

That's idiotic reasoning and I will never make a read based on that.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 18 2013 05:31 GMT
#1040
So, Moology.

I want you to walk me through your sudden scum read of VE. I'm looking back through your filter, and you didn't mention VE even once until your "last will" post, and then it was just a "meh, he's not being very active".

But the Dirk flip suddenly painted a big read target onto VE for you. Why exactly? You said that a newbie wouldn't have killed Dirk, so it was probably one of the more "vet'ish" players. So, why not me/marv, whom you had actually been suspcious throughout the day? Hell, looking back, I don't even see any reason that you dropped the suspicion of us. The only thing I can think of is that thread sentiment started painting us as town, so you quit pursuing your suspicions.

But, there's still Hapa too. Why wouldn't Hapa/iamp have made that kill? They've both been around TL for 8-9 months and are quite familiar with Palmar/bugs. Or hell, even Soniv (who, while IMO is not the best player around, he's still been around for a very long time and should know the reputations of bugs/palmar/marv/ve etc)?

Basically, you're reasoning is bad because there aren't really very many "newbies" in this game. Your team is by far the newest players, and maybe Thrawn/Oats being second. But even thrawn has been around in a while.

So explain why that single event suddenly made VE 100% scum instead of anyone else?
Artanis & marv
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