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DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 16 2013 16:26 GMT
#747
What a messy claim....

Unfortunately with no counterclaims at the moment, I assume you are town.
How does this affect our plans to lynch VE/OO?


/oats
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 16 2013 16:42 GMT
#748
this is thrawn and i disagree with oats. golem scum
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 16 2013 16:56 GMT
#753
golems, you need to get to sharing reads and being productive asap. we can hash out this JK stuff later
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 16 2013 17:37 GMT
#757
can you apply a little bit more red to your reads? there are 2 scum in the game, your reads should account for that. many people here have developed 2 strong scum reads just by eliminating their strong town reads. you should have at least 2, maybe even 3 people who you think have a good chance of being scum
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 16 2013 17:45 GMT
#759
well fine. you don't really have to give them right now. just look through all the filters and try to pick out 2 people who you think could be scum and make your case.

you did commit to saying VE is scum. but NOWHERE in that post did I get the feeling that you're even remotely interested in talking in depth about anyone else's filter.

also, i'm having a hard time buying that you have absolutely NO guesses as to who could be scum outside of VE.

just take your time and then come back once you can present something worth talking about. there was no substance to that list, you gave us literally nothing to argue about
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 16 2013 20:07 GMT
#768
"I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc."

OK, let's assume golems is town and VE is scum. The quoted sentence doesn't make any sense under that assumption. Why would scum VE run away when people start talking about town Golems?

Golems, explain why a scum VE would always avoid talking about you. That quote strongly condemns both of you. It's like you're trying to get away with bussing VE, but your accusation of VE is based on your knowledge that both of you are mafia.
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 16 2013 20:36 GMT
#780
##unvote
##Vote: Promato
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 16 2013 20:49 GMT
#787
On March 17 2013 05:43 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Alright ladies and gents, I'm out.
Note OE still hasn't shown up and we've heard nothing from him about what HE thinks of us.


who do you want to lynch
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 16 2013 21:00 GMT
#789
bleh, i don't have the heart to carry this out

##unvote
##Vote:TlCastingGolems


all the stars have aligned. it is widely accepted that OO is likely to flip scum. OO is voting promato. TLCG is acting like OO is a good lynch, but is spending most of his time pushing promato and declining to vote for either of them. i'm not sure how much more usefulconversation can be had until either 1 of two things happens.... VE comes back, or TLCG actually starts pushing a lynch
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 16 2013 21:42 GMT
#794
On March 17 2013 06:25 Moology wrote:
Give me 10~ minutes and I'll make some time to post. I also think lynching Golems over OE is a dumb idea... I'm not sure why that is even a topic when you are 100% sure of OE and still think there are other scum candidates other than Golems. I want to lynch scum, not maybe get his scum buddy based on some association of bussing before OE flips. I think you are putting the cart before the horse when talking about lynching Golems or anybody other than OE today.


there's much, much more to it than association based on VE

-VE's alignment doesn't matter. red/green, TLCG looks bad either way by virtue of how carefully they're approaching talking about VE

-the bizzare push on Newbie. most of the original case was based on the idea that dirk is red. after the flip, TLCG still wanted hapa to respond to the case.... after dirk had flipped green

-the blue claim is all kinds of strange

-there are also very strange posts where the wording they use is just... weird. "mental reevaluation," "didn't notice any breadcrumbs," just weird things to say. lots of them have been brought up over the last few pages

-their insistence that they need to confer before being able to share ideas to the thread. they are acting like they need each other's permission to post... ya know, just so they don't scumslip or something

-what are they currently doing? they're blowing a lot of smoke about promato, while maintaining the VE is prob a good lynch but they really aren't pushing either lynch. It looks like they're trying to figure out which wagon they should join
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 17 2013 01:04 GMT
#821
hapa (or anyone else that thinks both of the leading candidates are scum) do you see any reasons to lynch OO or TLCG over the other? I get the sense that a lot of people have equal or near equal scumreads on both hyrdas, but they are just voting for the one that they're most interested in lynching... interested in some kind of "i've spent more time pushing player X so we're lynching him for the sake of my ego" type of way. so let's not do that lol. I know I joked around earlier about lynching TLCG first becuase it'd be trollish to make VE continue playing, but now I'm of the opinion that TLCG just has a better chance of flipping scum. better, by something like .01%. that's not much, but I can't ignore it.

It looks like this OO lynch is what's going down no matter what, considering how both the people voting for the golems ALSO want OO to die. Is there anyone on the OO wagon that would be opposed to a golem lynch? I still feel like that hasn't been enough conversation about OO and people like Moology are voting OO without putting enough of an effort in to make their own reads.



I'm not concerned in the slightest about hapa being scum. The way he has played D2 perfectly matches his town play. Marv/keri I have NO doubts about either, which is mostly due to keir's D2 posting. Both of these hydras (newbie/FT) have shown an interest in pursing reads on BOTH of the lynch candidates, without anyone prodding them to do so. The only way I can possibly see myself being suspicious of either of them is if we lynch a townie today.

So, two scum left, between OO, TLCG, Moology, and Promato. You all should know that I think both OO and TLCG will flip red. The only other player I can possibly see being red is Moology, because I haven't liked some of their posts today. They've had to be pushed into participating and even after that I still don't feel like they're giving the game the attention it deserves.

yeah... i dunno what I'm trying to say... I guess what I'm asking is if everyone is committed to their vote or not. (specifically marv... are you sure you want an OO lynch over a golem lynch?)
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 17 2013 01:14 GMT
#825
eh, sucks for me i guess. i don't really have doubts about either of them, so i guess I don't really care either way
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 17 2013 01:29 GMT
#828
On March 17 2013 10:10 FiveTouch wrote:
I haven't talked to marv since he hasn't been around today, but I think it would be dumb to lynch Golems first. I would rather not lynch a claimed jailkeeper over a VE that I'm pretty sure is scum.

Who knows what will happen with night actions.


see the thing about that... hmmm..... lets just say I have my doubts about their claim lol. more on that later.

+ Show Spoiler +
not really, that was a 'joke' blue slip. but imo what I just did (no matter how shitty a claim it'd be if it were real) is 10x more convincing than how they claimed, even if you discount your town read on me.


imo their claim actually is part of the case against them. they said it was a blue slip, yeah sure.... I don't buy that at all. the post where he "slipped" seems like bullying, or threatening us. When townies talk about themselves being mislynch, it's always in a "well once you see that i'm town you'll know who the scum are." Like, they are in martyr mode. But TLCG's post came across as "oh yeah? well you better not lynch me, cuz i'll flip blue and you'll be sorry."

On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future.

Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
i will open it to everyone i guess

Casters totes scum? yay or nay

+ Show Spoiler +
the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though.


You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue?

-S4


That post come across as INTIMIDATION. He was trying to claim blue to scare us. It was not a 'blue slip'
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 17 2013 01:42 GMT
#829
EBWOP

The claim would be more convincing if they had not said it was an accidental slip. The tone of the claim post is clearly something like "DON'T LYNCH ME I'M A POWER ROLE YOU ASSHOLE." Which means the blue claim was intentional, and not a slip. Which means that they're lying about how the claim occurred, which imo was caused by them seeing iamp's negative reaction to the claim.
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 17 2013 01:45 GMT
#831
On March 17 2013 10:43 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 10:42 DrParnassus wrote:
EBWOP

The claim would be more convincing if they had not said it was an accidental slip. The tone of the claim post is clearly something like "DON'T LYNCH ME I'M A POWER ROLE YOU ASSHOLE." Which means the blue claim was intentional, and not a slip. Which means that they're lying about how the claim occurred, which imo was caused by them seeing iamp's negative reaction to the claim.


Idunno. I mean he's scum for a lot of other reasons, but I can totally see a blue-role doing that.


On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future.

On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
i will open it to everyone i guess

Casters totes scum? yay or nay

+ Show Spoiler +
the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though.


You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue?

-S4


Is this a claim?

I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet


Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans.

You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it?



do you think this looks like a follow up post for somebody who accidentally blue-slipped? where is the emotion, the "oh shit i dun goofed" ?
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 17 2013 01:52 GMT
#832
Hapa... can you start at the blue claim and read the next several posts? Tell me if you think it was an innocent blue-slip or a malicious fake claim.... because I think it's a distinction we're eventually going to have to make if we ever want the thread to agree to flip TLGC. After all, there haven't been any counterclaims.... so..... yeah........ you see where I'm going with this
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 17 2013 01:53 GMT
#835
yeah, but boring thread is boring.

/sigh
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 17 2013 01:54 GMT
#836
On March 17 2013 10:52 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 10:45 DrParnassus wrote:
On March 17 2013 10:43 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 17 2013 10:42 DrParnassus wrote:
EBWOP

The claim would be more convincing if they had not said it was an accidental slip. The tone of the claim post is clearly something like "DON'T LYNCH ME I'M A POWER ROLE YOU ASSHOLE." Which means the blue claim was intentional, and not a slip. Which means that they're lying about how the claim occurred, which imo was caused by them seeing iamp's negative reaction to the claim.


Idunno. I mean he's scum for a lot of other reasons, but I can totally see a blue-role doing that.


On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:
On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future.

On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
i will open it to everyone i guess

Casters totes scum? yay or nay

+ Show Spoiler +
the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though.


You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue?

-S4


Is this a claim?

I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet


Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans.

You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it?



do you think this looks like a follow up post for somebody who accidentally blue-slipped? where is the emotion, the "oh shit i dun goofed" ?

Is this Oats or thrawn?


thrawn
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 17 2013 02:02 GMT
#840
GOLEMS, how in the fuck are you going to spend all day yelling 'PROM SCUM" and then vote for OO? after giving wishy washy null read on VE? FFS MAN!

@everyone else:

this is not an "association with unflipped VE" case. this is a "golems is faking his scumreads and his vote" case
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 17 2013 02:04 GMT
#842
like, fuck.

once again, I am not advocating an association lynch. ve could be green as hell and tlgolem would still be scum
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