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On March 17 2013 02:36 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 02:29 TLCastingGolems wrote:Any reactions to this Newbie? + Show Spoiler +On March 17 2013 01:22 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:17 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:13 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:11 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:08 TLCastingGolems wrote:On March 17 2013 01:02 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 17 2013 01:00 Hapahauli wrote:On March 17 2013 00:52 TLCastingGolems wrote:Dropping in quickly, will be reading and catching up in the near future. On March 17 2013 00:44 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:i will open it to everyone i guess Casters totes scum? yay or nay + Show Spoiler +the answer is yay by the way i just want some stuff to read though. You're gonna need to have a contingency plan. If you kill us, what's your plan of action when we flip blue? -S4 Is this a claim? I think he might be claiming just blue because he hasn't thought of the whole claim yet Well, I had thought I wrote "town" instead of "blue", as I wasn't planning on claiming blue yet. Half asleep brains seems to have had different plans. You could lynch us and find out for sure, as it's only on my word right now, but that wouldn't be very useful for you, now would it? So what are you? Jailkeeper Who did you jail and any crumbs? Jailed you last night. I don't recall any breadcrumbs. I don't think I've ever crumbed anything ever. Reasoning: At the time, Dirk and you were scum team in my mind. Took a guess and jailed you thinking you could be red power role. Also, I'm not sure if scum team has to choose someone to make the shot, so if they do, and if they picked you to make the shot, it wouldn't go through. At the same time, I was considering the possibility that I was wrong. We had made a case about you and Dirk being scum, which many people seemed to agree with. I could easily see a scenario in which scum would want to target you in this case (partially why I was so surprised they shot Dirk since he would have been a free lynch in scum favor). You're super active in pressuring me, but you don't respond when I promptly respond to your question. Looks to derpy to be from scum to me. I'll have to see what hapa thinks.
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You haven't seemed shy at all up until this point. Why do you suddenly need to collaborate with hapa?
On March 17 2013 02:37 DrParnassus wrote:
can you apply a little bit more red to your reads? there are 2 scum in the game, your reads should account for that. many people here have developed 2 strong scum reads just by eliminating their strong town reads. you should have at least 2, maybe even 3 people who you think have a good chance of being scum
I leave people null if I think they have a chance of being scum. I don't know who the 2nd scum is, so I'm not just going to pick a name out of a hat to give to you right now.
-S4
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On March 17 2013 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ohai guys.
Think I've got about an hour or so, so I'll see what I can throw together.
-Wave
derp
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On Prom:
He hasn't posted anything of any note whatsoever since the NK, only mentioning himself that he knows he will not be targeted.
On March 16 2013 07:45 Promato wrote:
its okay VE, your OMGUS is cute. I still <3 you.
I have the information and reads I need. And because there is zero chance I'm the nightkill (seriously fucking none, look at me i haven't even posted enough to give blue vibes or anything) I don't have to explain anything until day.
Waiting on that explanation, Prom.
His next three posts offer absolutely nothing of note:
On March 16 2013 08:03 Promato wrote:
well for the moment i say ##Vote: obliviouseyes
some follow up needed while I reread Dirk though. Interesting kill choice really.
A vote with no follow-up and promise of a re-read. He says 'interesting choice,' and doesn't seem fazed by it one way or the other. Isn't that odd that nobody gives him shit about this yet when we post that we thought the Dirk NK was absolutely fucking retarded we have DrParnassus comment on how we 'don't seem to care about the NK?'
+ Show Spoiler +On March 16 2013 14:10 DrParnassus wrote:
golems, that post somehow managed to get everything BACKWARDS. like, there isn't one read in there that makes sense
and no, you don't seem surprised about that night kill
you mentioned something about me self voting and said you'll look into it. lol. please do.
The we have this:
On March 16 2013 14:47 Promato wrote:
Could it really be as easy as OE/Golems?
Lol, everyone else does look fairly town.
Great fucking reads. Really. Just jump on everyone else's suspicions while offering nothing of your own whatsoever, looks great. Besides, when the fuck is it ever that easy? You're really willing to sit back as a town player and let everyone do the work for you? How is that town-motivated?
Final post before he disappears off the face of the earth:
On March 16 2013 14:59 Promato wrote:
It would be a horrendously stupid thing for scum Golems to come in with an opinion contrary to the thread sentiment regarding VE at this time, but I've seen scum be worse with this kind of thing.
So....WIFOM? Newbie rips into us like crazy and justly tears me apart for my shit, and that's the best you can do? Come on.
Town motivation seen here from Prom: 0.
Oh and marv/FT?
The difference in my response to Newbie and my response to you is that we were going back and forth, he asks me a question, I respond in a timely fashion, and then he didn't respond until I had to ask. DrParn even said to take time to formulate reads, so that's what we're doing.
Now that you're back, Newbie I'll respond to your recent questions/analysis.
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Alright let's see:
Regarding the blue claim, I thought Soniv did that on purpose because I figured it was a good way out of you guys mislynching us later in the day but no, he actually fucked that up and meant to write town.
As to your questions to be specifically:
1) Null. We don't really feel you as a townie. The pressure seems legit but you don't 'feel' right in our eyes, so we don't have a problem in pressuring aspects of you we find odd. Now the thing about the case on you is, while it contained largely associative points, it is still technically very easy for scum to throw suspicion onto us/other Dirk voters really easily by doing what they did. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense that they killed him themselves rather than letting us mislynch. Doesn't make you scum, but doesn't make you town either.
2) What was I thinking? Not a hell of a lot. Posting without fully reading, and getting frustrated by our own lack of contribution combined with being generally very lost.
You say this:
It basically shows that you were suspicious of me without knowing the reasons for it, and that's not normal for a townie.
...you're telling me gut reads aren't normal?
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I don't know why scum VE would avoid talking about us, the same as we have no idea why they shot Dirk last night. Scummy motivations bring about a lot of WIFOM.
VE has a lot to answer to/for anyway right now, best he answers himself.
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1) Null. We don't really feel you as a townie. The pressure seems legit but you don't 'feel' right in our eyes, so we don't have a problem in pressuring aspects of you we find odd.
We're in agreement here completely. The pressure seems normal but there's something about you we just don't like.
Sorry, bro.
As for my thinking, what exactly do you want? I could try to fabricate some bullshit reason as to what I was doing but honestly I just wanted to get something out there to try and contribute in a hurry and it backfired big time.
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On March 17 2013 05:26 Promato wrote:
lol, this is bullshit.
I was the first one to nail VE as mafia.
I have subsequently waited to see what people do in repsonse to this.
Only you have done anything that isn't call him mafia, which is either the dumbest move in the thread, or a sign that you're just bad town.
The thing I have to consider is; would mafia bus VE here or not? My instinct says yes, but you coming in here and accusing me over sitting back and watching today is bullshit. I caught one mafia, and I'm in the process of catching another.
We didn't call him mafia? Lol.
On March 17 2013 02:19 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:56 DrParnassus wrote:
golems, you need to get to sharing reads and being productive asap. we can hash out this JK stuff later You can calm your tits asap. tl;dr calm your tits Current reads: DrParn
FiveTouchMoology Newbie Promato OEParn and FiveTouch feel townie because of activity and reactions to different things. Moo and Newbie I'm leaving null because I'm still not convinced they aren't scum. Newbie less so than Moo, he's been quite active, and the pressure on us I feel is more town motivated than scum jumping on a scummy player. I've noticed that OE has actively avoided making recent reads on us. He always disappears when the focus turns to us. I really want to know what he thinks of us, etc. Prom I've got nothing on. The case on OE certainly works in his favor, but this wouldn't be the first time scum bussed their teammates, especially when the score is 5-2 one cycle in. -S4
Now assuming your process of catching another mafia is referring to us, that's laughable. 'Process' actually implies you doing something today.
FT: ok I couldn't find the post you were referring to earlier, thanks for linking it.
Looking into it now.
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On March 17 2013 05:36 Promato wrote:
I'm reading you make a mess of this game, that is what I'm doing.
Like I said, you're either mafia or bad town. The question is which.
Guess.
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FiveTouch:
Your conversation with Prom--- its a meta read which I know nothing about. I refuse to base my own reads based on meta of players I dont even know, and one measly meta read does not a towny player make imo. It's entirely possible for scum or town to come to the same conclusions you did.
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Alright ladies and gents, I'm out.
Note OE still hasn't shown up and we've heard nothing from him about what HE thinks of us.
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Ok, first thing's first. While I was gone, one thing became apparent. I hadn't realized my vote wasn't on OE. This explains a lot of the reason you guys think I don't want him dead.
##vote ObliviousEyes
When Wave was posting earlier, you guys afterwards attacked him for developing a read on Promato after I had originally placed Prom on a list saying he's completely null to me. It was ALSO after FiveTouch asked him to give an opinion on Promato.
I don't understand how this development is scummy. You guys ask him to develop a read and then attack him for making a read. No, that's not how it works.
The stance he developed is not one that I disagree with.
To the people saying that you don't think I should be flipped before OE - you are the ones using your brains. If you kill me, you'll find yourselves in a really shitty position.
@FiveTouch
What is your opinion of Moology?
@DrParn
You can go look at any of the games I've played - when people want to mislynch me, I always say something like that. It was not an intimidation post. It was a fact-of-the-matter "i'm not scum" post.
And my blue claim isn't real because I didn't use an emoticon or anything? Lol fuck you, you're not that stupid. I was not intending to claim blue as early as I did. You clearly don't believe that, but you're gonna have to get the fuck over it.
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Same reason there are a few people without votes on me.
I'm more confident in finding scum in OE.
The post with the case on Prom was Wave's. I don't necessarily disagree with his read, but it's not 100%. OE is most likely scum, Promato could very well be scum.
@DrParn
You're wrong, get over it.
-S4
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I find it difficult to believe that "it reminds you" of a game you were no part of.
Congrats, you found one of my 2 or 3 scum games ever. Moreover, that was about a year and a half ago. There is no meta there because I have no scum meta. Over the span of 3 years of playing with long breaks sporadically placed, I have played something other than VT so few times.
That game was interesting because Palmar rolled over D1 screwing us over. I also didn't have a second head to deal with (haven't ever hydrad before).
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Correction - WAVE FOUND 0 TOWN MOTIVATION FROM PROM
The null read and "soft-defense", as you say, that Wave gave on OE was the post that put us in this mess. He was apparently overwhelmed and resorted to the reads we had before the day flip. It's been said before, so I don't know why you keep asking.
I have no clue why OE is actively avoiding talking and hasn't mentioned us. PROBABLY BECAUSE IT'S WORKING FOR HIM.
I'm done fucking repeating myself for you guys.
I'm not going to repeat everything that has been said about OE in the thread. I agree that he is scum.
-S4
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On March 17 2013 11:24 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
Oh that was Wave? Sign yer dang posts =/
I've been telling him to, but he's an idiot. Sorry to disappoint you.
-S4
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On March 17 2013 11:28 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
Though if Wave wrote that case and you're not standing by it, then that means you haven't posted a single case all game.
I'm sorry?
It's not that I'm not standing by his case. I believe we are more likely to find scum in OE, but that doesn't mean I disagree with his case.
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On March 17 2013 11:39 FiveTouch wrote:
The point is, ObsQT just posted about how you played in LX, making cases on multiple Toms, Dicks, and Harrys. In this game, you haven't given a solid reason to be suspicious of ANYONE. What gives?
*shrug* it's different playing as a hydra. My contribution level probably looks less than it feels because of how much me and him were collaborating early on.
You never answered me before, it might have been lost in my post. What do you think of Moology?
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