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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 13 2013 20:26 GMT
#266
Because he was away and just got back? Don't read too much into it, just seems like common courtesy.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 02:28 GMT
#309
So, I'm reading through all these posts soft-accusing (read: discrediting) marv, but I still can't find a real reason that is even discussable. Closest thing I see is marv is "being aggressive, which isn't like town marv".

First off, town marv is aggressive when he needs to be, or really believes that he is right. I can go look up games for specific examples if you want me to, but it seems pretty obvious to me that you're either just making bullshit up, or judging off of a VERY limited sample size. Meta doesn't work like that. Don't fucking use meta if you don't understand how to use it properly.

Secondly, show me a game where scum marv was hyper-aggressive. Go on. I'll wait.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 02:40 GMT
#311
On March 14 2013 11:38 DrParnassus wrote:
kier what are you talking about? mocsta is the only one doing something like what you're suggesting. are you trying to defend your other half here? or accuse someone? or what?

Defending my other half (myself).

But he's not the only person who has said something along of the lines of "I don't like marv so far". He was just the only person that gave any kind of reasoning, even if it was terrible reasoning.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 02:42 GMT
#312
Ebwop: Although it kind of turned into accusing Moology of bullshitting as I was going. I'm interested in what he has to say in response.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 02:45 GMT
#314
On March 14 2013 11:43 DrParnassus wrote:
Eh well... there's not really very much pressure on marv at all, even though he is being talked about a lot. You just seem a bit too loud about the issue considering the circumstances.

But whatever, I have a town read on marv and therefore on you as well so I'm not really interested in the conversation

Mocsta has put a lot of effort into making sure people talk about us. And I just got back to the thread to comment on the stuff.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 03:22 GMT
#320
On March 14 2013 11:46 Moology wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 11:28 FiveTouch wrote:
So, I'm reading through all these posts soft-accusing (read: discrediting) marv, but I still can't find a real reason that is even discussable. Closest thing I see is marv is "being aggressive, which isn't like town marv".

First off, town marv is aggressive when he needs to be, or really believes that he is right. I can go look up games for specific examples if you want me to, but it seems pretty obvious to me that you're either just making bullshit up, or judging off of a VERY limited sample size. Meta doesn't work like that. Don't fucking use meta if you don't understand how to use it properly.

Secondly, show me a game where scum marv was hyper-aggressive. Go on. I'll wait.

Firstly, please demonstrate how your early vote fostered a positive town environment that didnt let scum hide in the shadows?
There were many ways to handle the Role PM comment, and throwing a vote was perhaps the most polarising tool that could be used.

Good. I can't speak for marv's specific motivations, but a polarized town is exactly what town should want. It force scum to pick a side, rather than staying off in the shadows. The more polar, the better.

On March 14 2013 11:46 Moology wrote:
Second, in response to your comments belittling me about meta usage.
I did not claim to have a meta-read on Marv - otherwise I would have built a case.
Fact: I noticed peculiarities in his play (compared to recent town Marv games) and voiced my concerns - transparently.
Whilst others were not as concerned as I, they had also noticed similar peculiarities/changes in mindset.

Kei, nice over-reaction post btw. If you had cast a vote, Dare I say. OMGUS.

+ Show Spoiler +
P.S. (Mafia LIX) I was one of the guys that had a very strong read on FiveTouch as town early Day1; enough to mason him and stand up for his leadership when others were still doubting him actively. Whilst not indicative of his town play every game; there are some specific things he does which gives me a positive read on him - and all the games I have read him in since, has had the same type of behaviour. So far, I have not seen any of that behaviour.
You can say the sample-size is small.. and I dont care... I wasnt building a meta case on him on as scum. I am commenting I do not find him overtly townie as I have become accustomed to.


(moc)

Here's a hint: behavioral differences/similarities = meta.

As far as "I wasn't building a case on him as mafia", you've spent quite a lot of time talking about him. And made it quite clear you think we are mafia, or at least in your top 2 candidates:

QUOTE]On March 14 2013 08:35 Moology wrote:
Otherwise for today I am stuck between the trolling of hardpec and aggressiveness of Marv.
Marv normally tries to exert himself as town leader, and is actively trying to walk through with people his thought process.

(moc)[/QUOTE]

On March 14 2013 10:31 Moology wrote:
Regardless I only played with a town marv (and its not matching up well so far)


But you never outright call us scum. Why is that?

But hey, since you're playing ball: give me some specific examples of why you think we are scum.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 03:44 GMT
#327
On March 14 2013 12:41 Moology wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 12:40 Mocsta wrote:
On March 14 2013 12:22 FiveTouch wrote:
But you never outright call us scum. Why is that?

But hey, since you're playing ball: give me some specific examples of why you think we are scum.
I chose not to call you scum, because I haven't seen anything specific that makes me think you are scum.
My concern is exactly as I detailed. I expect a town Marv to be blindingly obvious (to me); and I am not getting that.

Your emphasis on interpreting matters that I have explained simply and explicitly is not improving my opinion on your hydra.

Everything I wrote has been clear and to the point: so I am struggling to ascertain where your over-reactions originate from.

==============

Regardless let us continue discourse please: so what if I want to talk about you.

Why is that of so much concern to you; that you need to interject and apply immediate counter-pressure?

(moc)


Because your accusations have been completely unfounded. You've just been saying stuff about marv's meta without backing any of it up. Basically you've been working super hard to discredit us by soft-accusing us repeatedly and blowing hot air up everyone's ass, but haven't done jack shit about it.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 04:13 GMT
#329
On March 14 2013 13:05 Moology wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 12:44 FiveTouch wrote:
On March 14 2013 12:41 Moology wrote:
On March 14 2013 12:40 Mocsta wrote:
On March 14 2013 12:22 FiveTouch wrote:
But you never outright call us scum. Why is that?

But hey, since you're playing ball: give me some specific examples of why you think we are scum.
I chose not to call you scum, because I haven't seen anything specific that makes me think you are scum.
My concern is exactly as I detailed. I expect a town Marv to be blindingly obvious (to me); and I am not getting that.

Your emphasis on interpreting matters that I have explained simply and explicitly is not improving my opinion on your hydra.

Everything I wrote has been clear and to the point: so I am struggling to ascertain where your over-reactions originate from.

==============

Regardless let us continue discourse please: so what if I want to talk about you.

Why is that of so much concern to you; that you need to interject and apply immediate counter-pressure?

(moc)


Because your accusations have been completely unfounded. You've just been saying stuff about marv's meta without backing any of it up. Basically you've been working super hard to discredit us by soft-accusing us repeatedly and blowing hot air up everyone's ass, but haven't done jack shit about it.

Again: more over-reactions.
You are trying to intimidate/counter-pressure me from investigating any further. i.e. cut the hydra head off.

I am surprised you think what I am doing is working hard to discredit your team.
If I thought you were scum; trust me, you would know. I would be up yo' ass with my "ugly penis"


Fact is: I have never seen Marv handle the early game the way he has handled it (so far).
I have every entitlement to ask if people find that strange. Especially those that have played with a scum Marv before.

Guess what Keirathi: others that commented have also mentioned noticing the behavioural deviation as well.
They also admit they dont think its scummy. so i dont know what your problem is.

That you are actively trying to shut me down, is making me question whether I am onto something now.

I think you're misunderstanding my intent here. If you have a good reason for continually calling-us-scum-without-actually-calling-us-scum, then fine. I'm totes down to discuss anything with someone who has a reasonable argument.

You've just been slinging shit without backing it up. THAT is my problem with how you've gone about this.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 04:40 GMT
#332
On March 14 2013 13:31 Promato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 12:44 FiveTouch wrote:
On March 14 2013 12:41 Moology wrote:
On March 14 2013 12:40 Mocsta wrote:
On March 14 2013 12:22 FiveTouch wrote:
But you never outright call us scum. Why is that?

But hey, since you're playing ball: give me some specific examples of why you think we are scum.
I chose not to call you scum, because I haven't seen anything specific that makes me think you are scum.
My concern is exactly as I detailed. I expect a town Marv to be blindingly obvious (to me); and I am not getting that.

Your emphasis on interpreting matters that I have explained simply and explicitly is not improving my opinion on your hydra.

Everything I wrote has been clear and to the point: so I am struggling to ascertain where your over-reactions originate from.

==============

Regardless let us continue discourse please: so what if I want to talk about you.

Why is that of so much concern to you; that you need to interject and apply immediate counter-pressure?

(moc)


Because your accusations have been completely unfounded. You've just been saying stuff about marv's meta without backing any of it up. Basically you've been working super hard to discredit us by soft-accusing us repeatedly and blowing hot air up everyone's ass, but haven't done jack shit about it.


[b]Keir, I love you and all but shut up.{/b] I don't care that you find your other head town. Can you do me a favour and look for scum. Your hard defense with no scum hunting is way scummier than marv's early game (not calling you scum, just a reminder to scum hunt)

I said earlier I had no problem with the golems and one of you mentioned that I was okay with trolling or something. That wasn't it at all, I just feel like in their role play I can genuinely follow their thoughts so I don't mind it. And as VE said its kinda cute.

No. Fuck that. I'll shut up when he's provided a satisfactory reason for me being scum, since he's spent so much time talking about it. He's "contributing" without actually doing anything. That's not gonna fly, and I'll keep pressuring him until he gives me a reason not to.

Of course I find my "other half" town because he shares my alignment. What a stupid statement. None of us in this game are separate entities. Yea, every individual player is accountable not only for his actions, but those of his partner too. I am marv, marv is me. Just like you == yamato.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 04:42 GMT
#333
On March 14 2013 13:32 Moology wrote:
Now, you have focused much of your attention on me today: Are you in agreement with Marv on scumspect = Hardpec?

(moc)

Of course.


On March 14 2013 03:16 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 02:02 ObliviousEyes wrote:
I'm more interested in what comes out of FiveTouch/WillNeverReadVEsPostsEver(DirkHardpec). Presumably, that's 2 hydras with four players who should know better than they appear to.

Know better than we appear to? What does that even mean?

Bugs is just throwing names out with no reasoning and not actually doing anything. Lynch him.


On March 14 2013 03:22 FiveTouch wrote:
Yea oops. I meant to sign, I just forgot. That post was me.

~Keir
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 04:48 GMT
#335
On March 14 2013 13:43 Promato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 13:40 FiveTouch wrote:
On March 14 2013 13:31 Promato wrote:
On March 14 2013 12:44 FiveTouch wrote:
On March 14 2013 12:41 Moology wrote:
On March 14 2013 12:40 Mocsta wrote:
On March 14 2013 12:22 FiveTouch wrote:
But you never outright call us scum. Why is that?

But hey, since you're playing ball: give me some specific examples of why you think we are scum.
I chose not to call you scum, because I haven't seen anything specific that makes me think you are scum.
My concern is exactly as I detailed. I expect a town Marv to be blindingly obvious (to me); and I am not getting that.

Your emphasis on interpreting matters that I have explained simply and explicitly is not improving my opinion on your hydra.

Everything I wrote has been clear and to the point: so I am struggling to ascertain where your over-reactions originate from.

==============

Regardless let us continue discourse please: so what if I want to talk about you.

Why is that of so much concern to you; that you need to interject and apply immediate counter-pressure?

(moc)


Because your accusations have been completely unfounded. You've just been saying stuff about marv's meta without backing any of it up. Basically you've been working super hard to discredit us by soft-accusing us repeatedly and blowing hot air up everyone's ass, but haven't done jack shit about it.


Keir, I love you and all but shut up.{/b] I don't care that you find your other head town. Can you do me a favour and look for scum. Your hard defense with no scum hunting is way scummier than marv's early game (not calling you scum, just a reminder to scum hunt)

I said earlier I had no problem with the golems and one of you mentioned that I was okay with trolling or something. That wasn't it at all, I just feel like in their role play I can genuinely follow their thoughts so I don't mind it. And as VE said its kinda cute.

No. Fuck that. I'll shut up when he's provided a satisfactory reason for me being scum, since he's spent so much time talking about it. He's "contributing" without actually doing anything. That's not gonna fly, and I'll keep pressuring him until he gives me a reason not to.

[b]Of course I find my "other half" town because he shares my alignment. What a stupid statement. None of us in this game are separate entities. Yea, every individual player is accountable not only for his actions, but those of his partner too. I am marv, marv is me. Just like you == yamato.


that is my point. Stop giving us meta reads on yourself and hunt scum, if you think it is moc show me why.

goodnight.

What? Literally the only thing I've said about marv's meta was my very first post in response to Moology, because I wanted him to back up his stance on us.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 14:08 GMT
#365
On March 14 2013 19:32 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 19:21 DrParnassus wrote:
Lets talk about marv since nothing will happen with wittyhydra if he doesnt post.

Unusually quick to get into fights is rather subjective I think, so what else makes marv scum? Because he thinks you are scum? Or?

/oats


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I simply cannot refute this.

~marv

P.S. I would note that last time this post was made, the guy was town. Just sayin' like.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 14:31 GMT
#368
On March 14 2013 23:14 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 23:08 FiveTouch wrote:
On March 14 2013 19:32 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
On March 14 2013 19:21 DrParnassus wrote:
Lets talk about marv since nothing will happen with wittyhydra if he doesnt post.

Unusually quick to get into fights is rather subjective I think, so what else makes marv scum? Because he thinks you are scum? Or?

/oats


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I simply cannot refute this.

~marv

P.S. I would note that last time this post was made, the guy was town. Just sayin' like.

lets kill the witty one he ain't gonna hunt scum.


I could happily kill either to be honest. As Dirk gave a one-liner on Witty, I will accede to your request as that is one line more than Witty has made.

##Unvote
##Vote: WittyHydraName

Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 15:50 GMT
#370
On March 15 2013 00:48 Dirk Hardpec wrote:
Since when is the amount of reasoning palmar and bugs give any indication to their alignment?

/syllo


Whoever said it was? It's still more reasoning on a mafia-read than Witty gave. I can vote for you if you really want though, darling.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 17:33 GMT
#376
On March 15 2013 02:28 DrParnassus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 02:12 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Okay so I woke up, saw Dirk spamming some more, and decided that yeah, I think I wanna kill it. He's actively trying to keep us from scumhunting. ACTIVELY. There's purpose in the way he's posting, and it's not a town purpose.

The way I see it is: do we lynch a lurker with literally nothing relevant in his filter? Or do we lynch someone who is actively not trying to find scum? Again he makes it seem as though he thinks marv is scum, and again has failed to provide any kind of reasoning beyond "he's a big ol' meanie". If his spam "marv is scum" post can be believed, he seems to think marv is scum. So why not try and get marv lynched? Both Bugs AND Palmar (AND syllo if he's all up in there too) know that "marv is scum" isn't going to sway anyone.

Kill Dirk. He gots to be scum yo.


adam/snarfs is scum. this cannot be disputed. why are you trying to dispute it?

-hungover thrawn


Yes, that post is very odd indeed.

sandro, I have no reason to be aggressive right now, and for perhaps fairly obvious reasons I am trying very hard not to be too much of an ass this game.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 17:52 GMT
#378
The thing about WittyHydra is that both Adam and Snarfs struggle to play mafia. Their motivation drops, they struggle to post, they lurk. This is well documented.

I find it exceedingly hard to believe that, if they are town, *one* of them wouldn't have provided contributions by now.

It's too unlikely to be true. Simple answer is that they're mafia and can't be fucked.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 22:00 GMT
#397
I honestly don't have any trouble following his posts. And I enjoy the roleplaying in general. I just don't feel like they've added much because they've been too focused on their "style" rather than playing mafia.

~Keir
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 22:22 GMT
#404
On March 15 2013 07:21 ObliviousEyes wrote:
If you like Dirk for lynch Golems, why don't you join me? You're the one talking about us having time for switch-back shenannies, put your money where your mouth is.

The last time I saw Dirk playing similar to this game was.....fuck whatever, that mini where I was scum with marv. Palmar and Bugs were at each other's throats the whole of D1, but they both gave at least cursory opinions of other players. There's none of that this game. They're hiding in their FT tunnel, and it's scummy as fuck.

LYNCH DIRK YOU FUCKS

Give me a reason why Witty is town, and we'll talk.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 22:29 GMT
#408
On March 15 2013 07:24 ObliviousEyes wrote:
There's not enough

Give me a reason Dirk is town. In spite of there being ~5x more material, I bet you can't.

I can't give you one. But, between Dirk and Witty, I would rather have Dirk around tomorrow on the off chance they actually do something to make me think they are town.

Basically, when you have two candidates that you can't see being town, I will always pick the least potentially useful one.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 23:02 GMT
#417
Oh god. Why hasn't Kei been carrying me while I've been distracted.
Artanis & marv
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