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On March 18 2013 14:43 TLCastingGolems wrote:
They both very well could still be.
Prom still looks scummy for not even attempting to defend himself at this point and is still content to decide that his one contribution to the game 'nailing VE' is enough and now he can sit back and relax and anyone who decides that this isn't good enough can go fuck themselves.
Moology looking real hard for a way to pin this on either myself or Prom.
"Nailing VE" is quite a big deal, though.
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On March 18 2013 14:47 TLCastingGolems wrote:
I'm still not sure I understand how this is solved exactly though.
If there is a scum RB along with our RB, is there a way for them to prevent our RB and kill us? I don't know if I understand how the resolution of night roles works.
It really depends on how the hosts handle roleblocks. Different hosts handle them in different ways. But you're right, there are some ways that the game isn't virtually solved if roleblocks are handled in certain ways.
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@moology:
I'm not talking about what you said recently. I'm talking specifically about what you were saying around the end of night 1/ start of day 2.
The only thing that took VE from a very weak "I'm only throwing him in here because he hasn't been very active" read in your Last Will post, to being sure he was scum was "the Dirk NK doesn't make sense fr anyone but VE".
Those are exact thoughts from your filter, and I just don't see that making sense.
Also, it is very specifically in your filter that you didn't think the dirk NK could have come from Hapa.
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On March 18 2013 14:46 TLCastingGolems wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 14:45 FiveTouch wrote:On March 18 2013 14:43 TLCastingGolems wrote:
They both very well could still be.
Prom still looks scummy for not even attempting to defend himself at this point and is still content to decide that his one contribution to the game 'nailing VE' is enough and now he can sit back and relax and anyone who decides that this isn't good enough can go fuck themselves.
Moology looking real hard for a way to pin this on either myself or Prom. "Nailing VE" is quite a big deal, though. Not if it's a double-bus, which is the whole reason there is even suspicion on Prom in the first place.
why would you bus your partner when he's under no pressure from anyone else whatsoever?
everyone else was giving him townreads at the time, go back and look at how night 1 unfolded.
~marv
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On March 18 2013 08:34 FiveTouch wrote:
my case too good. yo.
i feel this game should be at least partially solveable given what we know and stuff. I'll actually read the thread and get back to you guys once i've thought about it and talked to kei.
The jailkeeper claim is really really dodgy.
Replying to myself to ensure intelligent conversation :D
In all seriousness, while I don't like the JK claim, it seems an extraordinarily risky play for mafia to make, especially in a small setup where being counterclaimed means doom.
~marv
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On March 18 2013 22:56 TLCastingGolems wrote:
I have no idea what that shit from Moology was supposed to be.
Marv, you find it ok to consider that we're scum and faking the JK claim even though its incredibly risky yet you don't want to believe that the mafia are performing another incredibly risky play in double-bus?
You misunderstand my last post; it was saying that I find it very unlikely for you to be mafia fakeclaiming for the reasons I said.
Bussing your only partner in a 2-scum game when they're under no pressure - I've never seen this before and I have no reason to believe it is the case.
~marv
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On March 18 2013 23:04 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Well then think about it from our perspective if we're town.
If you're assuming that you Parn and Newbie are all confirmed town, then what does that leave us with?
Are you absolutely certain that Moology is scum?
I've not (re)read anything yet, but it seems likely. Kei and I caught up briefly last night and he said while he was worried about Newbie's activity, Hapa was still feeling town for him.
I plan to look at the evolution of Moology's OE read this evening; I think my meta metric for deciding whether Mocsta is mafia (argumentative to a tee) is out of date as he matures his game.
~marv
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On March 18 2013 23:21 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 23:06 FiveTouch wrote:On March 18 2013 23:04 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Well then think about it from our perspective if we're town.
If you're assuming that you Parn and Newbie are all confirmed town, then what does that leave us with?
Are you absolutely certain that Moology is scum? I've not (re)read anything yet, but it seems likely. Kei and I caught up briefly last night and he said while he was worried about Newbie's activity, Hapa was still feeling town for him. I plan to look at the evolution of Moology's OE read this evening; I think my meta metric for deciding whether Mocsta is mafia (argumentative to a tee) is out of date as he matures his game. ~marv Did you read the start? Or not? + Show Spoiler +gonna quote for filter whenever I want to 
I've still not really read Day 2, but I've read everything else. I'm actually filtering Moology at the moment because I'm impatient and I want to know what I think. I'll probably also look at newbie_QT as well.
~marv
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On March 18 2013 23:25 Moology wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 23:06 FiveTouch wrote:
I plan to look at the evolution of Moology's OE read this evening; I think my meta metric for deciding whether Mocsta is mafia (argumentative to a tee) is out of date as he matures his game.
~marv Hopefully like a fine wine, instead of a silicon implant  Omni has a present for you later on.. i dont want to spoil it.. fact was.. we were saving this present for tomorrow as i didnt think it was necessary.. but.. omni in his newbie wisdom wanted to unleash total pwnage tonight.. guessing cos he sick of infested terrans fuming around in his house. hint: Neutral Surviving Balrog is the theme. P.S. as I keep telling everyone.. my activity isnt determined by alignment. Im just busy with work and HotS, + last mafia game burnt me out; 26 page filter for a loss to bartender this is my last game for a few weeks Lets give thrawn that final win. GO TOWN!!
The sooner the better, I don't like basing my reads on incomplete information when the information can simply be given to me.
~marv
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On March 18 2013 23:28 Moology wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 23:27 FiveTouch wrote:On March 18 2013 23:25 Moology wrote:On March 18 2013 23:06 FiveTouch wrote:
I plan to look at the evolution of Moology's OE read this evening; I think my meta metric for deciding whether Mocsta is mafia (argumentative to a tee) is out of date as he matures his game.
~marv Hopefully like a fine wine, instead of a silicon implant Omni has a present for you later on.. i dont want to spoil it.. fact was.. we were saving this present for tomorrow as i didnt think it was necessary.. but.. omni in his newbie wisdom wanted to unleash total pwnage tonight.. guessing cos he sick of infested terrans fuming around in his house. hint: Neutral Surviving Balrog is the theme. P.S. as I keep telling everyone.. my activity isnt determined by alignment. Im just busy with work and HotS, + last mafia game burnt me out; 26 page filter for a loss to bartender this is my last game for a few weeks Lets give thrawn that final win. GO TOWN!! The sooner the better, I don't like basing my reads on incomplete information when the information can simply be given to me. ~marv Well im 100% against it.. frankly I think it would come together much more Day 3.. but whatevs i cant force Omni to not post; he basically said he gonna post it when im asleep lol so i dont rage at him in the QT (moc)
Given there's a decent chance I'll be dead by tomorrow, I'd like to be given the chance to process any information in this night phase.
I know you've kinda talked about it before but I'd like you to talk about the evolution of your OE read. At the end of Night 1 he wasn't even in your top 4 in terms of interest, and yet as soon as Day started you sheeped me immediately on to him. Promato and Dirk were your top reads, and yet all of a sudden you were siding with Promato against OE. Why?
~marv
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I also just got to this post in your filter.
On March 18 2013 09:41 Moology wrote:
Right because in a 9 player game, Moology are one of the first to hard bus VE?
Being the first vote, gives the option to walk away.
Our vote essentially sealed the vote of SCUM... now you want to twist that as a scum move.. LOL.. nice try Prome
This is a terrible post. I (with Kei's help of course) made a detailed and excellent case against OE, so barring something quite amazing from someone else, OE was getting lynched. It didn't need your vote in the slightest.
~marv
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On March 18 2013 23:34 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 08:54 Moology wrote:
What the fuck...
##Vote: ObliviousEyes
With Dirk's death that really puts me off on calling Newbie scum. He should know that once Dirk is gone he's next in a lot of peoples minds. It doesn't make sense. OE looks like a good candidate and I'm starting to really want to hear from Golems again. marv why would he give up on suspicion of us here though. Seems weird for a scum to do iamp
The suspicion was dropped for a terrible reason, and as per my last post, it takes a massive act of will from anybody to resist a beautiful marv-case.
I mean I've honestly not read Day 2 yet, but was there ever even a chance OE wasn't getting lynched? Mafia gotta bus that shit as soon as possible.
~marv
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On March 18 2013 23:37 Promato wrote:
marv stop stealing my credit. (Yam's credit) I'm still putting him up for most improved player. You said one game wasn't enough ? How about three? He rocked scum in nomination, in duel and now here.
Yam was the first to post the case on VE and even when we aren't posting much we were going to get that lynch through. We're both loud enough when we need to be to lynch whomever needs to be lynched. Don't pretend like his fate was anything but sealed since our case on him.
Its cute how moo wants the credit too though, its so sweet how he wants to grow up to be me.
I'm not stealing anyone's credit, you guys vaguely ranted about OE being mafia and everyone ignored you and found you the more suspicious. This is plain to see from reading the thread. It was my case that sealed OE's fate.
I mean, hurray for you catching OE and all that, well done, bla bla bla, but it's not really the point.
~marv
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On March 18 2013 23:39 Moology wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 23:32 FiveTouch wrote:On March 18 2013 23:28 Moology wrote:On March 18 2013 23:27 FiveTouch wrote:On March 18 2013 23:25 Moology wrote:On March 18 2013 23:06 FiveTouch wrote:
I plan to look at the evolution of Moology's OE read this evening; I think my meta metric for deciding whether Mocsta is mafia (argumentative to a tee) is out of date as he matures his game.
~marv Hopefully like a fine wine, instead of a silicon implant Omni has a present for you later on.. i dont want to spoil it.. fact was.. we were saving this present for tomorrow as i didnt think it was necessary.. but.. omni in his newbie wisdom wanted to unleash total pwnage tonight.. guessing cos he sick of infested terrans fuming around in his house. hint: Neutral Surviving Balrog is the theme. P.S. as I keep telling everyone.. my activity isnt determined by alignment. Im just busy with work and HotS, + last mafia game burnt me out; 26 page filter for a loss to bartender this is my last game for a few weeks Lets give thrawn that final win. GO TOWN!! The sooner the better, I don't like basing my reads on incomplete information when the information can simply be given to me. ~marv Well im 100% against it.. frankly I think it would come together much more Day 3.. but whatevs i cant force Omni to not post; he basically said he gonna post it when im asleep lol so i dont rage at him in the QT (moc) Given there's a decent chance I'll be dead by tomorrow, I'd like to be given the chance to process any information in this night phase. I know you've kinda talked about it before but I'd like you to talk about the evolution of your OE read. At the end of Night 1 he wasn't even in your top 4 in terms of interest, and yet as soon as Day started you sheeped me immediately on to him. Promato and Dirk were your top reads, and yet all of a sudden you were siding with Promato against OE. Why? ~marv The last will was "MY" last will.. nothing to do with Omni. (Thought it was clear with the bold font) When the NK happened, i wasnt even around all those posts were from Mr. Omni.. henceforth why I suggested to Kei to request Omni to explain his thought process. But as for my read on VE... I got a fair idea of his current town play.. and i just get a vibe from him when he is scum.. just like in Mafia LIX gonzaw smooth talked me into giving him my mayor vote.. i just get the same greasiness from a scum VE.. cept now I know to reverse how I feel, and hey presto. i got scum.. its not specific quotes for me.. its a gut feeling that makes me want to like him. I was pretty content witht he vote on him; and then analyse what he did under the pressure... the response of "nothing" made it clear to me he was scum and i guess couldnt be fucked anymore. I dont blame that. its a small setup; good players.. stuck with a newbie.. why bother? For me.. even though I dont care too much about this game.. i havent been mislynched before.. and dotn want to be mislynched now.. so trying to beef up the effort more and become motivated cos yes, we became complacent when we became confident VE was scum. I can admit that. (moc)
Ok I'll have to re-read and see what Omni said about things. I assume Golems is your last read for mafia. Based on the Jailkeeper claim? Other stuff too?
~marv
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On March 18 2013 23:47 Promato wrote:
Because the game is won. We lynch moo and we win. I'm in post game mode. Its not town cred its I'm deeply impressed by Yamato. Dude is seriously good (which is awesome, like two months ago he was looking at my filter in Dessert and calling me obv scum).
Look, I believe that Moo scumcslipped. I believe that his interactions with and reads on VE/OO make it very obvious he is scum. I cannot be fucked to prove it to you when it is obvious. I am not in the mood to show you why my reads are better than yours. I've told you my reads and you get to sheep me. Later you can thank me(this slot) for catching both scum.
Fuck this attitude. Seriously. I hope to never have to play with you again if you're going to think like that.
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On March 18 2013 23:52 Promato wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 23:49 FiveTouch wrote:On March 18 2013 23:47 Promato wrote:
Because the game is won. We lynch moo and we win. I'm in post game mode. Its not town cred its I'm deeply impressed by Yamato. Dude is seriously good (which is awesome, like two months ago he was looking at my filter in Dessert and calling me obv scum).
Look, I believe that Moo scumcslipped. I believe that his interactions with and reads on VE/OO make it very obvious he is scum. I cannot be fucked to prove it to you when it is obvious. I am not in the mood to show you why my reads are better than yours. I've told you my reads and you get to sheep me. Later you can thank me(this slot) for catching both scum. Fuck this attitude. Seriously. I hope to never have to play with you again if you're going to think like that. Why would me making a big ole public relations post proving why Moo is scum be better? I've shown it to be true to myself. I've pointed out some key reasons. I don't need to dress it up in pretty colours or nice formatting. Each and every player can go and reread and figure it out for themselves. Its obvious. Just sheep me to victory. Lynch Moo.
No. And quit being a fucking liability and do your job if you are a townie.
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On March 18 2013 23:55 Promato wrote:
I'm not and I did.
If you are going to refuse to play the game, then I AM going to lynch you. This is by far the most anti-town thing in the thread.
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P.S. for a change this is all Keir getting pissed off, not me 
~marv
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No-one will sheep you, Prome, because you're making yourself intensely unlikeable, and as showed by Golems/Newbie posting in the last page or two, they weren't going to sheep you on to OE either without my case.
Town will, however, go along with me if I give them a case to believe in.
~marv
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I think I need to permanently play under this account. It seems to give me an ability to be relaxed and not too angry about things.
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