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Even if politician could be a town role this game, that use of it is worse than anything Yamato did. The only town motivation I can think of for using it, is to use it on a strong scumread. Sloosh has never been a strong scumread of Cora's. KILL Cora | ||
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On March 14 2013 22:50 Oatsmaster wrote: JOAT? Also WHAT IN THE WORLD has Iamp done to make you think he is town? What makes you think Iamp is scum? I have him as a bit of a townread too. He's not as aggressively active as he normally is, but everything he says is making sense and I get the feeling he is trying to make sense of the game. | ||
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On March 14 2013 22:59 Vivax wrote: I mean, it's not hard to look like you're figuring things out when you have 24 pages of filter, that's 24/129 pages. → 18,6 % of the posts in this game are by marv, who "is" 3,3 % of the players in this game. He probably beats Bill Murray by a long shot. Why BM? Have you ever even played with BM? BM posts NOTHING like Marv (and not in quantity either). This is an exceedingly odd comparison. BM starts throwing out association cases and bollocks logic on D1 and never stops until he is inadvertently mislynched or vig shot. If I didn't have you down as Toad, I might think you were trying to roleplay BM this game. Marv is posting nothing like that. He is posting like Marv does in pretty much every game I have played with him or read from him. And yes, that makes him dangerous, because his scumplay is somewhat similar, but I believe I have finally got the difference pegged down, after the MTG2 debacle, and this is his town game. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:04 iamperfection wrote: he never mentioned the steal correct? i cant see it in his filter. On March 14 2013 15:25 cDgCorazon wrote: Just cause. Lynch me if you think I'm scum. I'm sick of your games and your hard-defending of Yamato. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:03 austinmcc wrote: Here's what this bit comes down to: Do you believe Foolishness is a batman-posting-restriction/unlynchable/fake-1-shot-vigi? Do you think Foolishness received a PM telling him that he was all of those things? If you do, I think you're ridiculous. If you don't, then Foolishness's big reputation-restoration post isn't fully truthful. If nothing else, this line:Read this bit Supersoft. Read this bit anyone who thinks Foolishness posted a big ol' pile of truthful thoughts. (1) I tried to kill yamato 2x "to get people to see that I'm town" (2) "Since I can't be lynched I thought that this would again put me back on track and get people to listen to me" Read (2) again. Read (2) again, slowly. Again, he's saying he can't be lynched. Yet he's worried about getting town to listen to him. And he's admitting that he hasn't had much time to play, hasn't been able to analyze everything. There are TWO problems there. If he can't be lynched, then his townieness is ALMOST 100% proven when he doesn't get lynched. How the balls do you balance a game with a scum player who cannot be lynched? Role =/= alignment, but some roles are very, very telling because they simply can't be balanced for the other side. See the talk about phoenix wright or whatever from earlier. Unlynchable is NOT a balanced mechanic, and if he's so sure he won't be lynched, then his townieness will be proven out. He's so worried about getting town cred and about being listened to, yet he's conveniently forgotten that he is claiming that he will emerge from a lynch unscathed, immediately FORCING people to take him much more serious and townily. Does not compute. Look at you. You didn't post end-of-night reads, despite thinking you might get shot, because you knew you'd be back today. Foolishness claims to have a PM that says "you can't be lynched, bro," and yet he's not taking that into account in his play. He's lying. He's lying in his come-clean post. That ain't town. This is actually a fucking good point. However, I just assumed the lynch-immune bit was either Foolishness lying, or the host lying to Foolishness: he already claims the host has lied about him being a vig, so lying about being lynch-immune is not a big step. The host lied about Bugs' wincon too, so it's clear we have at least a partial bastard setup here. Also, Drazerk was lynch-immune scum in Holy Roman, but if he got LESS than the majority and more than 0 votes, he got killed. Unfortunately that never happened. Somehow Drazerk survived about 8 lynches without ever getting a vote. But lets assume the lynch-immune is bullshit that a scum Foolishness made it up (just as Toad somewhat made it up in CT). His whole invented role just seems so elaborate. The whole dud vig shot just seems so farfetched, how do you even invent that? Is the host giving out fully fledged fakeclaims (Greymist does actually do that. No clue about Kita)? And the "trap"... the thought process just seems sincere. Foolishness may be fooling me, but I still think he could be town, despite disagreeing completely with his reads. Cora, however, is definitely not town. KILL HIM. | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:11 iamperfection wrote: i think we are missing the point I'm trying to get at Then explain it better. You asked where Cora had said he had stolen sloosh's vote. Well, there. | ||
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Hope you do more than Ver. Have you read your role PM? I know how hard reading this thread is going to be, but if possible, some first impressions, please? | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:32 marvellosity wrote: why have you completely avoided talking about Foolishness? Or about Yamato's shot, until wayyy later when some prominent people had given their opinions of it? | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:46 Vivax wrote: Acro is more interesting but you don't talk about Acrofales at all (except lately you mention him casually as strange) Acrofales de-facto-proof that he's pushing scum agenda: Says Iamp is partially suspicious for voting Bugs. Acrofales voted Bugs with this: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote: Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1. I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now: BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA ##vote wherebugsgo So bloody what? I was on the wrong wagon. I am okay with admitting that. Anybody is welcome to look at my filter. My being on the wrong wagon does NOT excuse everybody else who was ALSO on the wrong wagon. It just means that when they flip red, I will have been in rather bad company. I don't need to look into me, I have a role PM which modconfirms me as town to myself. Also, if you see, I don't ever suspect Iamp of being scum. I just note that I am not willing to consider him town at that point, because I am wary of where his vote ended up. We kill Ver or Cora tomorrow he says. Then the D2 action with checks and nukes arises, he says he still thinks Ver is more likely scum: + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote: Foolishness was null, leaning scum yesterday and still is. The nuke is currently meaningless, as there are too many explanations for it. Until Kita or Greymist launch the nuke, I withhold reservation. Trolling about nuking Yamato fits with his playstyle this game, which is STILL better than Ver's. Even without your parity check, it makes sense for there to be a scum between the two giants in the game. If we disregard framers, that means there is 1 scum and 1 town between them. I still think Ver is the more likely scum, unless someone can point me to Foolishness being a massive troll a scum. Yeah, but Ver never posted again. People who don't post and don't vote generally get modkilled/replaced. I still think Ver's entrance was terrible and DP starts off as a scumspect, but pushing for a lynch on someone who is cruising for a modkill is beyond retarded. [/quote] He states : If nuke real we kill Foolishness, if not, we kill him tomorrow: + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2013 02:59 Acrofales wrote: /facepalm Anyway, I don't know why we are speculating about the nuke being real. If it is, we kill Foolishness. If it isn't, we kill Foolishness tomorrow. In the meantime, we should kill someone else. SS: for a confirmed townie who is hanging around to give us guidance, you are not guiding much. Do you agree with me that Cora is scum? If not, who should we kill today? Still votes for Foolish when nukes are fake with no reasoning given, showing his previous reasons are complete bogus. On March 14 2013 05:27 Acrofales wrote: So... ok. ##vote Foolishness Sloosh wasted a couple of hours, but comes out looking townier and Xfire also looking townier, so I'll call it a win. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I changed my mind. Supersoft made some decent sense and I listened to him. Unlike some people here, I am capable of listening to reason. Anyway, how does ANY of this make you think I am scum? | ||
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On March 14 2013 23:46 Vivax wrote: Acro is more interesting but you don't talk about Acrofales at all (except lately you mention him casually as strange) Acrofales de-facto-proof that he's pushing scum agenda: Says Iamp is partially suspicious for voting Bugs. Acrofales voted Bugs with this: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 07:27 Acrofales wrote: Fine. My flight's boarding and browsing your filter it is looking like duel D1. I like that last post showing how differently bugs plays as town from his useless defeatist attitude this game, and my vote on Ver is going nowhere. I'll get back to that tomorrow. When I get home I hope I can make a better reasoned out vote, but for now: BAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAA ##vote wherebugsgo So bloody what? I was on the wrong wagon. I am okay with admitting that. Anybody is welcome to look at my filter. My being on the wrong wagon does NOT excuse everybody else who was ALSO on the wrong wagon. It just means that when they flip red, I will have been in rather bad company. I don't need to look into me, I have a role PM which modconfirms me as town to myself. Also, if you see, I don't ever suspect Iamp of being scum. I just note that I am not willing to consider him town at that point, because I am wary of where his vote ended up. We kill Ver or Cora tomorrow he says. Then the D2 action with checks and nukes arises, he says he still thinks Ver is more likely scum: + Show Spoiler + On March 13 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote: Foolishness was null, leaning scum yesterday and still is. The nuke is currently meaningless, as there are too many explanations for it. Until Kita or Greymist launch the nuke, I withhold reservation. Trolling about nuking Yamato fits with his playstyle this game, which is STILL better than Ver's. Even without your parity check, it makes sense for there to be a scum between the two giants in the game. If we disregard framers, that means there is 1 scum and 1 town between them. I still think Ver is the more likely scum, unless someone can point me to Foolishness being a massive troll a scum. Yeah, but Ver never posted again. People who don't post and don't vote generally get modkilled/replaced. I still think Ver's entrance was terrible and DP starts off as a scumspect, but pushing for a lynch on someone who is cruising for a modkill is beyond retarded. He states : If nuke real we kill Foolishness, if not, we kill him tomorrow: + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2013 02:59 Acrofales wrote: /facepalm Anyway, I don't know why we are speculating about the nuke being real. If it is, we kill Foolishness. If it isn't, we kill Foolishness tomorrow. In the meantime, we should kill someone else. SS: for a confirmed townie who is hanging around to give us guidance, you are not guiding much. Do you agree with me that Cora is scum? If not, who should we kill today? Still votes for Foolish when nukes are fake with no reasoning given, showing his previous reasons are complete bogus. Yeah, I changed my mind. Supersoft made some decent sense and I listened to him. Unlike some people here, I am capable of listening to reason. Anyway, how does ANY of this make you think I am scum? | ||
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On March 14 2013 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote: What is there to talk about? I think you bring up good points and I want to lynch Foolishness/sloosh/cora in that order. On March 14 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote: I changed my mind, too lazy to change my vote if in fact its on Foolishness. Foolishness is town. K got past that? That means that Marv is scum, due to the very nice explanation and trap that foolishness did. Now what marv did after foolishness's post is nitpick on one specific part and never mention it again. DrH said in his mafia podcast(go listen its really nice). That as scum, you dont want to address a hugeass case point by point because then more slips of logic will happen and you are now very under pressure. Instead, marv picks a small portion, blasts it, then moves on. Now people dont really remember that and the focus is off marv and onto foolishness who cant defend himself/hammer marv cause he is not here. Then the thread goes to pieces, with marv hastening its destruction. With Foolishness town, this means that yamato is probably scum, as well as crossfire for reasons previously stated. On March 15 2013 01:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Scum Before huge post. Town after rereading huge post and it made a lot of sense Scum after meta stuff and the fact that he didnt mention crossfire's other stuff. Also because if he is town, scum is going all in = not so good move I think. All of these were AFTER the huge post. Explain. | ||
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Secondly, the loooong case post. HiroPro showed that Foolishness does the same as scum, in Bureaucracy, and Marv picked apart the shoddy case on Yamato. I am convinced that we should kill Foolishness. My stronger read is still Cora, but seeing as they are probably both scum, lets lynch Foolishness first. He is more dangerous. Also, he posted that loooong post and then disappeared again: it is starting to feel more like a last-ditch effort (albeit a lot of effort) to appear townie than a sincere attempt to catch scum. Particularly as the two primary, of his three, targets are town reads of mine. ##unvote ##vote Foolishness | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:54 yamato77 wrote: If Foolishness is actually unlynchable then I am even more certain he is mafia. It also makes Marv look 100000000000000000x worse. There is no way mafia is unlynchable unless they have some gaping hole in their armor (like Drazerk in HRM). | ||
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On March 15 2013 02:54 yamato77 wrote: If Foolishness is actually unlynchable then I am even more certain he is mafia. It also makes Marv look 100000000000000000x worse. Also, if Foolishness is scum, how the hell does that make Marv look bad? In what world?! | ||
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Stutters is looking more like his normal meta again. I like his response to my questions. Given that I have no clue how he plays as scum (due to 0 scumgames), he might still be scum, but he is not on my current suspect list. risk.nuke is making sense. He is not as active or pushy as he normally is, but his posts are a breath of fresh air in a normally spammy thread. Also moved down the scumometer. hiropro is not being his usual active self, although his latest posts make sense. Also had the weird phonepost drunk thingy. Was that roleplaying? Slowly moving up on the scumometer due to sheer lack of thread presence, which seems uncharacteristic for him. Ver/DP: I have seen nothing from DP to change my D1 read on Ver, but seeing as we're not lynching him today, he has time. Investigation ongoing. Xfire: not really under the radar. His reaction to the nukes seemed townie, but he has done absolutely NOTHING to contribute except when he's under pressure. Reevaluate on Foolishness flip: if he's scum, Xfire is town regardless of the rest of his game. Dandel: between the claim and the reads being sensible, town. Mocsta: on the fence. He doesn't really seem to be figuring stuff out and posts a lot of roleplaying/setup related stuff. But was one of the first to think Cora is scum. Need flips to figure this out. | ||
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On March 15 2013 05:11 Stutters695 wrote: Arco can you expand on why you think if Foolishness is scum cross must be town? I'm not following that leap. Xfire fired a nuke at Foolish. Xfire didn't know the nuke was fake (unless Xfire, Sloosh and Foolish are all scum together and this was a GIANT TRAP). Therefore, if Foolish is scum, and Xfire is scum, then Xfire fired a nuke at his scumbuddy... out of nowhere and for no apparent reason. Not a likely scenario. | ||
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On March 15 2013 06:08 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2013 05:53 Acrofales wrote: Xfire fired a nuke at Foolish. Xfire didn't know the nuke was fake (unless Xfire, Sloosh and Foolish are all scum together and this was a GIANT TRAP). Therefore, if Foolish is scum, and Xfire is scum, then Xfire fired a nuke at his scumbuddy... out of nowhere and for no apparent reason. Not a likely scenario. You use the same reasoning I apply to argue that Foolishness is town for shooting at yamato and not marv (for the case marv is town and Fool scum). I agree with you on yours, you agree with your own, so you must agree with mine  1. I say nothing about the target. I just conclude that because he fired a nuke at Foolish, IF foolish is Scum, then Xfire isn't. 2. I would say the same about Foolishness' nuke: if Yamato is scum, Foolishness almost certainly isn't. Additionally, the reverse works too: if Foolishness flips scum, then Yamato is almost certainly town (otherwise he would have fired a nuke at his scumbuddy). Don't try and peg me to any other conclusions. Foolishness' nuke says nothing about Marv. The choice for NOT firing at Marv *could* be because they are scumbuddies, or it could be because of about 17billion other reasons. It's about as useful as NK wifom. Also, a Marv and Foolishness scumteam seems unlikely. It can be reevaluated after the flip, because in some extreme cases (LI, never forget) scum pulled a stunt like that... however the Marv-Foolishness spiel does not reach near as epic a shitfest as the Toad-VE bus-counterbus did. Initial conclusion is that if Foolishness is scum, Marv is town. | ||
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On March 15 2013 06:36 cDgCorazon wrote: All I've seen from Acro's filter is: "Cora is scum, kill him. But I don't want to do it so I'll vote Foolish" BAAAAAAAAAAAA Lol. Maybe you should read my filter then. I'd be happy to kill you, btw. But it's not gonna happen. | ||
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On March 15 2013 07:51 Foolishness wrote: Also, I just found this out, but apparently instead of me not getting lynched the person with the second most votes gets lynched instead. Just for the very remote possibility this is true: ##unvote ##vote Cora I want the second highest vote to be my strongest scumread. | ||
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On March 15 2013 08:52 DarthPunk wrote: Err. What the fuck? why were you NOT voting for your strongest town read before? Because he wasn't getting lynched. I think Foolishness is scum too. Foolishness is more dangerous than Cora. You could... read my filter? | ||
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