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On March 12 2013 18:34 Promethelax wrote: It is for posts like this I like Yam don't don't the man his play has been below par but he deserves that fair hearing of ours leave him alone overnight, understand? Agreed.. this is the post that made me reconsider my negative read on yam and treat the anonymous vig argument as real. | ||
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On March 12 2013 20:19 marvellosity wrote: i have no idea why people are listening to foolish at all this game. he outried lied to put suspicion on me (said he was always suspicious of me when we played together), THEN lied again when i pulled him up (said we'd played town once), and THEN corrected his story once again to that he found me suspicious in the game I smurfed (LIX), which for the uneducated was the game I tunnelled 2 mafia Day 1, got elected and lynched a mafia, then lynched mafia every day It's piles upon piles of lies as an excuse to call me suspicious, and it's all fucking bullshit. He still hasn't explained WHY HE WOULD LIE ABOUT IT in order to call me suspicious. Yeah, im still sussing out foolishness too. His filter essentially bases all his reads for Vivax/Yamato on Fruity Mafia, which is odd to me considering his recent game count on TL Mafia. Do you know if Foolishness is a big meta reader or in-game behaviour reader? I would have assumed with his lack of participation in TL games recently, he would default to in-game behaviour? | ||
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On March 12 2013 20:45 Promethelax wrote: So I know Moc, oats and Yam are awake mr marv said one thing and escaped I soon am going to bed please use your heads with your actions don't make mistakes Lol just got home, but heading out for dinner. I will def entertain you with discourse when I get back home though  | ||
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On March 12 2013 21:48 strongandbig wrote: Anyway I'm glad we didn't end up killing crossfire; his posting really shaped up after I left last night, and if I'd been around I would have switched off of him. Not sure onto who, probably vivax. I normally read the whole thread before posting to bits.. but this... i had to make an exception. I was a xfire supporter before the lynch.. but post.. did you read what I wrote on the matter? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=78#1541 In short: valid vig target | ||
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You have a hard-on for Foolishness because he was the only one that defended your 'town' honour. Consider this... already he "knew" you were town.. actually makes a bit of sense. One of the best TL Mafia players comes in Says a big story bullshit post, that says implies Vivax is mafia with no reasoning Ppl starting coming up with reasons, and the Vivax train train leaves the station. Then Foolishness openly declares you town based on "meta...".. and if you flip he looks like the awesome scum killer as per his reputation Now, whether my "tale" is true or not. i dont know. You will have to ask foolishness. But when the a majority of the thread is against you, and guy defends you SOLELY on meta... i think thats concerning. You're one of the most unpredictable guys on this forum, and by virtue one of the hardest to read on meta.. yet he does it having played one/two games with you?? Something is not adding up here. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:13 Acrofales wrote: I will pay special attention to this list: Oatsmaster, Mocsta, austinmcc, iamperfection and prplhz. I said im watching you first. So your list means diddly squat. You keep pretending to make those contributions Acro. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:41 marvellosity wrote: What's the point in this post, Mocsta? :/ We know that hes been on a business trip so hasnt had time to critically think about the thread. I accept that. However, he said he is critically up to around page 25 or something.. and calling out people already. (conveniently no vets to boot) thats just stupid? page 25 is still early game, and a lot happened in the next 50 pages. Its him trying to show a sign of life, and for what reason: other than caring about image. So yes, my post has a point: I don't like Acro so far and am very eager to hear him flesh out his scum reads in the next say, 24hrs. I am making it clear to him I have not forgotten he is on the playing roster. | ||
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Vivax Its annoying you just ignore what I wrote about Foolishness and him being the only person that saw you as town If he was more pro-town, I could agree with your read (i.e. probably town). But with the lying and low thread presence etc; it casts much doubt of the validity of his read. Now I am assuming here you are town: cos you defending someone so hard due solely to them thinking you were town when no one else did. But the more you keep ignoring valid arguments (e.g. lying etc) the quicker this heuristic gets thrown out the window. | ||
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It has a good calmness about it. ============ My problem is the first half. Vivax. Your defending Foolishness purely off what you *THINK* his intentions were from his story post? What about everything else? What if you have misjudged his intentions (which HE explained as... he thought you were scum so wrote a post about his scum read). Are you saying he lied about that? i.e. On March 12 2013 16:13 Foolishness wrote: I was gone and made an accusation based on what I skimmed through the thread at the time. Then when I came back to push the case further I realized I was wrong when I analyzed him. Which should be obvious given that I gave the proof. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:49 yamato77 wrote: So you're just going to repeat the past 4-5 pages of thread and act as if its a revelation because it came out of your ass.For reference, this is the justification he gives for thinking I'm mafia: I have a history of being abrasive as any alignment. Ask anyone who has ever played with me, period. Also of note, scum Hapa used this same stupid fucking argument to justify his scum read on me in Duel/TTABE Mafia. Not a good reason, and complete bullshit. This is pathetic and not good enough. Hold Foolish accountable for justifying his reads, because he fucking isn't. Another inaccurate meta analysis. Vivax is derpy as town, read LIX. He's also constructed as mafia, in LVIII. He tries as either alignment. You can't just brush him off as mafia just because he posts more than one fucking line. Complete lie, and something Foolish knows isn't true. Scum Foolish is hoping no one calls him on his bullshit that knows better. I know better. Read the fucking games, realize Foolish is lying, and lynch his lazy scummy ass. What was the point of this post? The EXACT same info is already there... Right now, I want to know your read on Vivax. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:54 marvellosity wrote: Kinda a suspicious attitude given the playerlist this game. Policy lynch me ahead of Foolish or Ver or BC or super if they're alive? [fluff] I know those guys are super vets & all But.. do they still play enough to be at the peak of their game? | ||
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If you want to policy lynch him in LYLO watever... we are in Night 1 - its not relevant Fact: marv filter has a good consistency in approach. I get an overall vibe that he is trying to really piece this game together & making an effort to communicate his point to get the other person to see his thought process. Thats pretty towny. His points also don't feel contrived. Scum happy to put a piece into the mix, and fuck off. I am not seeing that behaviour here. Marv is a *Very* valid medic save this night. + He claimed parity cop. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:16 yamato77 wrote: Vivax filter 6 pages. You gonna have to wait for that read until after noon my time, in about three hours. KK. I just wanted a "at this point" read. But if you awnt to do a read like SnB above.. no worries Im going to bed, and look forward to reading your feedback. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:18 Vivax wrote: And how does it affect your read on him if he doesn't get roleblocked? Yeah agree with Yam. WIFOM This isnt a standard game. To RB in personality 1.. IIRC the guy had to do something specific to active the power. + my town read isnt based on the cop claim. I am saying thats icing on the cake. You dont like marv, cos he pushign you.. whatever.. discard that info. and look how he has pushed his agenda on everything else. One example is corazon... (now yes I have a vested interest in corazon) but the point remains, he went out of his way to communicate his read in an alternative manner because people didnt get it... there are other examples in his filter. Overall, I think he has been pretty fuckning transparent; and if a mayor election was in this game, I would throw my vote his way. I dont see who else could be a viable alternative? Maybe VE, but he has disappeared for a bit now. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:25 Vivax wrote: yamato is a better lynch actually  Now this I disagree with outright. Anonymous vig claim holds for this cycle. | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:30 Vivax wrote: Your whole town read on yamato is based onto his vig-claim? As said by me and S & B him claiming the shot beforehand was probably a requisite for his shot to work but he doesn't mention it as part of his role so people go around and say he's town for claiming it. As said by me and S & B:Your Fallacy: Appeal to Popularity Your attempt to debunk Yam claim is based on conjecture. Nothing more, nothing less.. The combination of Yamato post with the role outline... and.. his post saying "refer to that, its all you need to know" makes me think its sincere. Nothing more, nothing less (and significantly less conjecture than your stance) | ||
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(2) Austin, thanks for a waste of a read on Corazon. You got me all excited for accepting yamato challenge on corazon. I noticed you did not reference a single issues I raised to corazon.. in particular his image-centric agenda. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204¤tpage=78#1544 In fairness, he hasn't replied to this case. So my question to you: Do you think his clear ad-hominem approach to the game, is still indicative of the townie Corazon you think you are familiar with? | ||
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On March 13 2013 00:45 marvellosity wrote: did anyone have any thoughts about this? hmm i discarded it.. becauase in mafia LX he was smurfing as macho man and rolled town. and didnt play like an IC, fo shizzle - might just be a phase? Hes kinda slipped of my radar this game actually; but that also includes guys like Risk.Nuke. In general wouldnt mind hearing more from them. | ||
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Seriously.. This Yamato Day-Vig Hit discussion between Vivax/Marv has to STOP. Out of 100 pages, at least 30 .. maybe even 40 pages are devoted to discussing this item ffs. Im sick of it.. agree to disagree and carry on with the scum hunting. Im not lynching yamato: & Vivax I dont care if you dont like that.. you can vote who ever you want (just like me) Im not lynching marv either: I gave reasons earlier (liek 20 pages ago.. ) Acro is looking like hes trying to provide some constructive thought in places, so I am starting to feel less apprehensive bout his absence. Still... where is Risk.Nuke; Crossfire; Ver; Stutters695; DAndel Ion & again.. CrossFire We keep arguing about whats in front of us... need to start looking at whats NOT being discussed Again.. WHERE IS CROSSFIRE | ||
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Already commented on it. So far I like you trying to get involved in the current town discussions. But, will reserve alignmnet judgement once I start seeing those promised scum reads. Emphasis: on plural | ||
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