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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 14:36 GMT
#838
Alright that sounds fine. Crossfire's filter was mercifully shorter than I thought and is completely awful.

On March 10 2013 15:12 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 15:02 yamato77 wrote:
I don't know, while I hate Crossfire, I hate that post from Ver even more.

Decisions, decisions.

Why are you fit to be tied? I ain't dun notin'. You're darn tootin', though, 'bout Ver. That is a cattywumpus post. I figure he got a 20% chance a playin' gainst his win condition, which sure seems suspect.


Indeed, he's done nothing. And yet he's happy to tell yamato he's done nothing:

On March 10 2013 15:29 Crossfire99 wrote:
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On March 10 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote:
You haven't done anything, precisely.

You must be walkin' on a slant if you think you dun somethin' so far.


This post says literally nothing at all, except that he's basically defending Kurumi:


On March 11 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
Yo, be easy and stop buggin folks. True, dis game be tight, but we don't want dis gettin outta hand and turnin into beef.

Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 03:01 HiroPro wrote:
yo, unless one of them admits they were lying right now, we should be lynching between kurumi and bugs today. both of them have claimed chezinu - bugs's anagram is a an anagram for brown brotherhood.

at the moment, i'm leaning towards kurumi. in particular notice what kurumi says after he has gotten his role (but before his alignment), "this sucks". kurumi is a player who likes to play around and troll frequently. it's very unlikely that he would be unhappy about receiving chezinu as a role. the logical conclusion is that kurumi is a faker.

##Vote Kurumi

also to the people who don't understand why i would ask everyone to just flat out say who they are. this is in part because my personality dislikes shennanies like what's going on right now. it's not something that i care about personally much.

Aight, I'mma lay dis down fo yo. Votin for non-alignment reasons be wack. Na mean? Role playin be dope and errbody should be crunk bout it.


And again, defending Kurumi:

On March 11 2013 05:27 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 05:14 HiroPro wrote:
On March 11 2013 04:59 Crossfire99 wrote:
Yo, be easy and stop buggin folks. True, dis game be tight, but we don't want dis gettin outta hand and turnin into beef.

On March 11 2013 03:01 HiroPro wrote:
yo, unless one of them admits they were lying right now, we should be lynching between kurumi and bugs today. both of them have claimed chezinu - bugs's anagram is a an anagram for brown brotherhood.

at the moment, i'm leaning towards kurumi. in particular notice what kurumi says after he has gotten his role (but before his alignment), "this sucks". kurumi is a player who likes to play around and troll frequently. it's very unlikely that he would be unhappy about receiving chezinu as a role. the logical conclusion is that kurumi is a faker.

##Vote Kurumi

also to the people who don't understand why i would ask everyone to just flat out say who they are. this is in part because my personality dislikes shennanies like what's going on right now. it's not something that i care about personally much.

Aight, I'mma lay dis down fo yo. Votin for non-alignment reasons be wack. Na mean? Role playin be dope and errbody should be crunk bout it.


man what are you talking about. it's not about kurumi roleplaying. it's about the fact that he was lying about who he was. he has admitted that he was lying so it looks a little better than if he tried to go with what risk.nuke came up with. but there is a clear mafia motivation in trying to fake a hard-to-read personality like Chezinu.

Just cause he be fakin jacks don't mean he scum. Role aint got nutin to do wit alignment. Judge 'im on if he bring dat bling (Chez brings da bling when he be from our hood and go off on dem scum). No bling, call da po-po, lock 'im in da joint, and give 'im dat needle.


Crossfire's done nothing but he's done nothing in a way where his only limited contributions are a defence of Kurumi. He's decided not to use ANY of his time whatsoever to look for mafia.

Not sure why you unvoted this guy VE :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 14:39 GMT
#842
On March 11 2013 23:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
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On March 11 2013 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
On March 11 2013 23:23 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 11 2013 23:21 marvellosity wrote:
On March 11 2013 23:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
LOL

This is all I have to say to you Marv:

On March 11 2013 23:08 marvellosity wrote:
Why is agreeing or using other people's arguments a scumtell?


Don't hammer me for something and then ask me why the same thing you are hammering me for is a scum tell. That's fucking stupid.

I said I liked the case. You are looking way too much into that fact and you're just trying to shit up the thread.


Where is the evidence I'm trying to shit up the thread? What's up with this ad-hominem?

You've still given literally none of your own thoughts on Oats.


I SAID I LIKED THE CASE AND THAT BnS HAD GOOD POINTS. IF I AGREE WITH THAT, PERHAPS I FEEL THE SAME ABOUT OATS.

This stupid attack on me with you contradicting yourself = shitting up the thread.


Which points are good? Which make Oats scum? How is Oats' play different this game to Hiro's game, or how is it similar to LIX where he was mafia?



There were 2 points in the case:

Oats goes after easy targets
Oats gives advice but doesn't follow it

What BnS said was given with evidence and they were both valid and well-supported. That's why I liked the case.

While it gave me a slightly scummy read on Oats, Yamato is still my #1 scumread. I said that and that's why I did not vote with Oats. I would love to pressure Oats when Yamato dies. However, I need to go after one target right now because if I hunt multiple people I hunt no one.

I didn't read LIX so idk how Oats played there. I don't see anyone complain to BnS about how Oats' meta was like this, so I don't even understand why it's only an issue when I agree with it.

Marv is grasping for reasons to call me scum here, so I called it shitting up the thread.


Again, how would you say his play differs to Hiro's game? Or does it not differ but that doesn't matter in this specific instance?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 14:39 GMT
#843
On March 11 2013 23:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
For the reason I stated in my post originally voting for him - because I hadn't filtered him.


well Crossfire's back, let's see how he does.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 14:51 GMT
#848
On March 11 2013 23:46 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 23:39 marvellosity wrote:
On March 11 2013 23:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 11 2013 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
On March 11 2013 23:23 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 11 2013 23:21 marvellosity wrote:
On March 11 2013 23:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
LOL

This is all I have to say to you Marv:

On March 11 2013 23:08 marvellosity wrote:
Why is agreeing or using other people's arguments a scumtell?


Don't hammer me for something and then ask me why the same thing you are hammering me for is a scum tell. That's fucking stupid.

I said I liked the case. You are looking way too much into that fact and you're just trying to shit up the thread.


Where is the evidence I'm trying to shit up the thread? What's up with this ad-hominem?

You've still given literally none of your own thoughts on Oats.


I SAID I LIKED THE CASE AND THAT BnS HAD GOOD POINTS. IF I AGREE WITH THAT, PERHAPS I FEEL THE SAME ABOUT OATS.

This stupid attack on me with you contradicting yourself = shitting up the thread.


Which points are good? Which make Oats scum? How is Oats' play different this game to Hiro's game, or how is it similar to LIX where he was mafia?



There were 2 points in the case:

Oats goes after easy targets
Oats gives advice but doesn't follow it

What BnS said was given with evidence and they were both valid and well-supported. That's why I liked the case.

While it gave me a slightly scummy read on Oats, Yamato is still my #1 scumread. I said that and that's why I did not vote with Oats. I would love to pressure Oats when Yamato dies. However, I need to go after one target right now because if I hunt multiple people I hunt no one.

I didn't read LIX so idk how Oats played there. I don't see anyone complain to BnS about how Oats' meta was like this, so I don't even understand why it's only an issue when I agree with it.

Marv is grasping for reasons to call me scum here, so I called it shitting up the thread.


Again, how would you say his play differs to Hiro's game? Or does it not differ but that doesn't matter in this specific instance?


I have to go but I can't say much so:

Hiro is the same when it comes to going after easy targets
Hiro has not given much advice so I can't say anything about #2

However, their play is slightly similar. A big lack of thread presence and a lack of scum hunting.

Hiro would be someone else I would be ok with lynching after Yamato.

(That brings the list of people to Oats, Hiro, and Acro-who hasn't contributed much besides overreacting to everything).


What? I was asking you about Oats, dear. I meant, how does Oats' play differ from This Town Aint Big Enough Mafia. I just shorten to Hiro's game because it's a lot to type :x
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 15:11 GMT
#853
So you're just giving us a one-liner that you agree with someone else's case then, Crossfire?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 15:41 GMT
#861
On March 12 2013 00:37 austinmcc wrote:

Because stutters is stutters, and I have played with him. Crossfire had posted and it was ALL fluff (and pretty much still is). slOosh is, again, someone who has impressed me as a townie, and someone i KNOW is generally lurky/less active as scum. Remember me checking him in parallel worlds? Same thing here. An uninterested slOosh is a scumslOosh imo, and as of yet we have no indication that his disinterest is personality-related and not because he's scum.

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On March 11 2013 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
Which points are good? Which make Oats scum? How is Oats' play different this game to Hiro's game, or how is it similar to LIX where he was mafia?
Seeing as how you initially responded to snb with summary statements like oats was town, felt like townoats, or whatever, I don't like how you are requesting others to go do the work of digging up oats's posts from past games and comparing his posts to others in this game and pastoats. You chose not to do that.


So you think what Stutters has posted so far ISN'T all fluff?

Why would I dig up posts to prove someone is town, unless they're getting lynched imminently? Corazon is giving a mafia-read on someone and I'm asking him to back it up with evidence. Fairly simple.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 15:42 GMT
#862
I'm also not asking him to dig up posts, I'm simply asking for his analysis. Corazon and I literally just finished a game with town-Oats about a week ago.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 15:46 GMT
#865
Here is Stutters' filter from LIX: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344

Here is Stutters' filter here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204&user=276621

Do you think they look similar?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 15:46 GMT
#867
On March 12 2013 00:46 marvellosity wrote:
Here is Stutters' filter from LIX: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344

Here is Stutters' filter here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400204&user=276621

Do you think they look similar?


er... LIX: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344&user=276621
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 15:49 GMT
#869
yes, I wasn't asking you about slOosh. Hence the lack of questions about slOosh.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 15:52 GMT
#871
For example, from LIX where he was lurkmaster Day 1 especially:

On January 22 2013 04:58 Stutters695 wrote:
I voted toad because his style seems much easier to read than yours, chezinus, or palmars to me. I even was doubting Palmar after the d1 lynch, and I had a scumread on you that was wrong almost the entire game. Toads style feels much more like my own and I think that will help us analyze why he would do whatever he does after becoming mayor.


On January 23 2013 08:24 Stutters695 wrote:
So you knew he was a smurf due to his silence? Obviously we know he is one now but newbies have entered reel games before and just been overwhelmed. Not a huge deal either way though.

Since you said you said you wouldn't want a smurf due to readability why wouldn't you vote for someone like Toad who is readable instead of supporting Chez? You say that it let you see if Chez was more readable but isn't that the exact same thing as voting a smurf except with a smurf not only does it offer the same chance to read them but also offers a chance of identifying who they are (which you implied you'd like to do)?


First post is at least giving explanation for why he's voting, second post is bothh questioning Axle and making a perceptive point along with it.

We're lacking even this basic engagement with the thread from Stutters so far.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 15:53 GMT
#872
btw austin, how exactly would I go about voting you for mayor? ^^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 15:58 GMT
#874
By the way, I don't disagree with you about slOosh. I really really want him to get his ass back in this thread.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 16:02 GMT
#876
On March 12 2013 01:01 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 00:58 marvellosity wrote:
By the way, I don't disagree with you about slOosh. I really really want him to get his ass back in this thread.

I don't really see how you could



you know very well we can disagree about absolutely everything
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 16:11 GMT
#882
On March 11 2013 07:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
the man in the sky tells us the rat is not a rat but a mouse

but the not-rat (actually a mouse) says he may be a mouse with a mask today and a rat tomorrow. "Today I die," the mouse says. And, he says, he will not tell us when he turns into a rat! Of course, any doorknob would know that a rat does not announce its own presence.

So is this mouse a mouse under the bridge, or a mouse over the bridge?

I say, brothers, that we burn the mouse and say our prayers, for it shall be safer for us if the mouse does not become rabid.



So basically bugs, apart from being useless, it comes down to what we think of this post.

Of course, any doorknob would know that a rat does not announce its own presence.

Why, then, would a "rat" announce that he would turn into a rat at all? Why even mention it if you're a "rat"? There seems to be a logic breakdown.

bugs is basically advocating lynching a townie on the basis he might not be town later. It's so *lazy*.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 16:25 GMT
#889
On March 12 2013 01:18 Vivax wrote:
Marv what do you make of Hiro? I don't see anything making me think he's town yet instead he seems to be sure that yamato's announcement meant Kurumi was confirmed town, wouldn't he doubt it at first since he's been pushing him as scumread just before?

Doesn't look to me like suspicious townie rather like scum that doesn't mind switching his target to a guy that's basically grushlike as town and unknown as mafia since he was scared of pushing a guy who has been announced as town.


Hiro's not really on my radar at the moment. He's not done anything to massively convince me he's town, but nothing to particularly make me think he's mafia either. He had the same reaction as I did to kita's announcement; without further evidence there is extremely little point lynching someone the host has announced as town.

There are simply way more other viable targets - xfire, sloosh, prplhz, Stutters, corazon, bugs - for me to worry about Hiro right now.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 16:26 GMT
#891
On March 12 2013 01:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 01:11 HiroPro wrote:
im on my phone so i cant quote so you guys will have to look at it yourself. There seems to be a lot of opposition to the Stutters lynch based on the fact that people think he always plays like this. Look ay the two games that people hacve brougght up. In both yet normal and lix hee offers explanations and makes reads. There is some level of effforty to engage with the thread. He may be inactive in those but he shows some level of intereest in what is going on. In this game has not offrred a single opinion on anyone beyond "hiro isnt traitor". I dont see any reasonkng for anthing he says or any genuine interest at all. Lynch this man.

Read the travesty that was Themed.

He didn't even post there from a certain point onwards, he just ninja-voted and was generally a very, very useless person.

And that after MTG where he played okay, even by non-lurker standards.

Policy lynching him is chill and all, but saying that he doesn't pull that shit as town is wrong.


Why don't you go after a lurker that's actually guaranteed to be scum, namely Crossfire.


twice now i've seen you use 'guaranteed'. Why is it guaranteed?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 16:29 GMT
#896
On March 12 2013 01:27 Dandel Ion wrote:
Just sheep me.


... no. I did just go back and skim Stutters' filter in Themed by the way. Just like LIX there's evidence of critical thought that isn't in this game, e.g.

On February 15 2013 05:44 Stutters695 wrote:
After checking his full filter, what really concerns me is that he does it again (misusing meta). If he said I should be policy lynched because he doesn't like how I'm playing I'd totally understand that. But implying I'm scummy despite multiple games with me with similar d1 posting by me doesn't sit wellwhen combined with what I said about Marv and him.

Other than those posts he doesn't say a whole lot. I'm leaning scum since all his other posts are calling people town and saying kurumi was scummy but never following through. I'd really like to hear his thoughts on who he'd lynch if I wasnt an option before I rush to judgement on him though since I've had people do this who were scum and town.

Going through filters who really concerns me is Mr.CC. I cohosted one of his games and obsed the others and I don't think I've ever seen him this inactive. That feels like a really large change. I need to see if he has actually played any non-newbies but unless he shows up he'd be a good policy lynch. Still going through filters though, that just stood out as really off to me.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 16:31 GMT
#900
On March 12 2013 01:30 Stutters695 wrote:
Seriously guys I'm not scum. Last time xfire did this that I remember he was total scummers (MtGII), last time I did this I was still town.


you've never done this.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 11 2013 16:32 GMT
#903
On March 12 2013 01:31 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 01:29 marvellosity wrote:
On March 12 2013 01:27 Dandel Ion wrote:
Just sheep me.


... no. I did just go back and skim Stutters' filter in Themed by the way. Just like LIX there's evidence of critical thought that isn't in this game, e.g.

On February 15 2013 05:44 Stutters695 wrote:
After checking his full filter, what really concerns me is that he does it again (misusing meta). If he said I should be policy lynched because he doesn't like how I'm playing I'd totally understand that. But implying I'm scummy despite multiple games with me with similar d1 posting by me doesn't sit wellwhen combined with what I said about Marv and him.

Other than those posts he doesn't say a whole lot. I'm leaning scum since all his other posts are calling people town and saying kurumi was scummy but never following through. I'd really like to hear his thoughts on who he'd lynch if I wasnt an option before I rush to judgement on him though since I've had people do this who were scum and town.

Going through filters who really concerns me is Mr.CC. I cohosted one of his games and obsed the others and I don't think I've ever seen him this inactive. That feels like a really large change. I need to see if he has actually played any non-newbies but unless he shows up he'd be a good policy lynch. Still going through filters though, that just stood out as really off to me.


I have gotten the feeling you agreed on Crossfire.
So why don't you want to actually agree?


because there are a lot of viable targets. and what you said about Stutters simply isn't true.
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