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On March 15 2013 01:01 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 15 2013 00:58 austinmcc wrote:
I honestly think that there's less of a chance they're both town than there is of them both being mafia. As in, there's an outside chance both are mafia, and an outside outside outside outside chance they're both town.
Each is spending a majority of his focus on the other. Makes it look less suspicious that neither is taking control over town in a bunch of aspects and directing things, because they're really just focused on this one guy, and when that one guy flips scum, ta da! All the effort worth it. More focus on a singular targets just helps duck a policy lynch later on, imo. You do realise that I wanted to lynch Corazon earlier in the day before Hiro prodded me back towards Foolish, right?  majority of focus. Not all. Also a lot of your questioning Corazon, at least today, was entirely unproductive, and balancing out posting on foolishness with banging your head against a wall isn't really balance.
Actually it's been productive from my point of view. His refusal to answer basic questions have been very revealing.
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I'll make it quite clear now.
If I am alive at LYLO, then lynch me.
Quote this post against me later. I plan to have all the mafia dead before LYLO.
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The point about Crossfire, s&b, is that he refuses to account for the 'townie' things that Crossfire has done. If his case had explained why the things that the rest of the thread perceived as townie (last minute deadline, nuke reaction) then I'd understand.
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EBWOP why the things that the rest of the thread perceived as townie were in fact not
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strongandbig, do you contend then that mafia are more impulsive than town with their actions? I think you know that's blatantly untrue.
You know that's untrue because of how crafted your miller claim was in Death Note. You know this is true because you're more impulsive as town yourself.
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On March 15 2013 01:07 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:39 HiroPro wrote:On March 15 2013 00:28 yamato77 wrote:On March 15 2013 00:23 HiroPro wrote:
i don't think foolishness is unlynchable. he is either lying to stall time or he has some kind of limited power similar to what prplhz said he had.
his case on marvel is mostly just either misrepresentation or does not even have anything to do with being mafia. notice how he ignores the game that is similar in style to this (LVIII) and instead focuses on a much older game, notice how he cherrypicks posts from parallel worlds that appear very calm and collected in the "trap" part and ignores the more emotional stuff.
kill foolishness.
also does anyone even remember that stutters is playing in this game? he has not mentioned a single thing about what is going on today or taken a stance on whether foolishness is scum, only dropped in twice to say nothing. Yes, Foolish dies today. I think Stutters being afk is standard Stutters, but I will give his filter a look see. You have been pushing him all game. What are some other reads. If you take the Foolish thing out of the equation, how do you view Marvellosity? marvel is town to me even if i ignore foolishness being there. he just has much more interest when he is town and feels genuine. I don't believe that you can accurately read marv based only on feelings and interest. i've been in or read games with him where he was scum and seemed totally interested and engaged.
this just means you're not very good dear.
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On March 15 2013 01:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:07 strongandbig wrote:On March 15 2013 00:39 HiroPro wrote:On March 15 2013 00:28 yamato77 wrote:On March 15 2013 00:23 HiroPro wrote:
i don't think foolishness is unlynchable. he is either lying to stall time or he has some kind of limited power similar to what prplhz said he had.
his case on marvel is mostly just either misrepresentation or does not even have anything to do with being mafia. notice how he ignores the game that is similar in style to this (LVIII) and instead focuses on a much older game, notice how he cherrypicks posts from parallel worlds that appear very calm and collected in the "trap" part and ignores the more emotional stuff.
kill foolishness.
also does anyone even remember that stutters is playing in this game? he has not mentioned a single thing about what is going on today or taken a stance on whether foolishness is scum, only dropped in twice to say nothing. Yes, Foolish dies today. I think Stutters being afk is standard Stutters, but I will give his filter a look see. You have been pushing him all game. What are some other reads. If you take the Foolish thing out of the equation, how do you view Marvellosity? marvel is town to me even if i ignore foolishness being there. he just has much more interest when he is town and feels genuine. I don't believe that you can accurately read marv based only on feelings and interest. i've been in or read games with him where he was scum and seemed totally interested and engaged. this just means you're not very good dear.
As an EBWOP to this it probably means that strongandbig is town.
There was a game where s&b was mafia..... er..... Chrono Trigger? where s&b said he could read me quite easily early on. The fact he's saying the direct opposite now strongly indicates that this is a town s&b, much more paranoid about my alignment.
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On March 15 2013 01:11 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:07 strongandbig wrote:On March 15 2013 00:39 HiroPro wrote:On March 15 2013 00:28 yamato77 wrote:On March 15 2013 00:23 HiroPro wrote:
i don't think foolishness is unlynchable. he is either lying to stall time or he has some kind of limited power similar to what prplhz said he had.
his case on marvel is mostly just either misrepresentation or does not even have anything to do with being mafia. notice how he ignores the game that is similar in style to this (LVIII) and instead focuses on a much older game, notice how he cherrypicks posts from parallel worlds that appear very calm and collected in the "trap" part and ignores the more emotional stuff.
kill foolishness.
also does anyone even remember that stutters is playing in this game? he has not mentioned a single thing about what is going on today or taken a stance on whether foolishness is scum, only dropped in twice to say nothing. Yes, Foolish dies today. I think Stutters being afk is standard Stutters, but I will give his filter a look see. You have been pushing him all game. What are some other reads. If you take the Foolish thing out of the equation, how do you view Marvellosity? marvel is town to me even if i ignore foolishness being there. he just has much more interest when he is town and feels genuine. I don't believe that you can accurately read marv based only on feelings and interest. i've been in or read games with him where he was scum and seemed totally interested and engaged. no you definitely can. that was the reason why i checked him in death note - he wasn't interested in what was going on at all. and then he was kira so that fucked it up -_-
the endgame post there might still be my favourite thing in all of mafia. Along with the Shady/Mementoss death flavour that the hosts marvellously did at my command.
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Just to elaborate on what I said about s&b. This is mafia s&b on Day 1 of Chrono Trigger:
On November 22 2012 08:22 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 04:44 Toadesstern wrote:
Hey S&B what's your take on how Marv's acting so far? oh also I forgot to answer this I liked his takedown of cave johnson I also think marv is way more egotistical as scum than he is as town, it's something about the "bwahahaha fools i'll kill you all" mentality. so the fact that he's not running for king of daventry makes me think he's probably town.
Why do you ask about marv specifically? why ask me?
On November 23 2012 03:35 strongandbig wrote:
holy shit
this thread
Anyone interested in a late switch to Marv? I've got a pretty strong town read on him right now, and I can't say that I like Syllo's election platform.
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Exactly. And I've done far more to warrant being called town this game than I did in Chrono, and yet s&b is still suspicious of me. Seems like a towntell.
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On March 15 2013 01:25 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:08 marvellosity wrote:
strongandbig, do you contend then that mafia are more impulsive than town with their actions? I think you know that's blatantly untrue.
You know that's untrue because of how crafted your miller claim was in Death Note. You know this is true because you're more impulsive as town yourself. im saying impulsiveness depends more on the player than their alignment.
No, townies are far more impulsive than mafia, and if you think otherwise you're just wrong. Citing drazerk does not help your argument here Foolishness is arguing that impulsiveness = mafiatrait, when that's simply incorrect.
Especially in yamato's case, where he is far more impulsive as town, as can be verified reading through any of his games.
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On March 15 2013 01:25 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:06 marvellosity wrote:
The point about Crossfire, s&b, is that he refuses to account for the 'townie' things that Crossfire has done. If his case had explained why the things that the rest of the thread perceived as townie (last minute deadline, nuke reaction) then I'd understand. he doesn't "refuse" to account for them, he just doesn't account for them. it makes his case less persuasive than if he had found a way to explain those actions as coming from scum motivation. but the post wasn't a case on crossfire, it was a case on you, and the crossfire thing was almost an aside. Actually, this might be a tell as well - I just looked through all his town games for the past ~ two years and I can't find any where he's made a "big case post" that wasn't just focused on a single case about a single person. The closest he's come was a big "reads in case I die" post in like TL L. I assume that's because he knows that's how to best lead a town into agreeing with you on a lynch. However, as scum he has included secondary cases in his "big case post" in Parallel Worlds, for example.
Yes, I noticed that too, but it didn't feel like a strong point to bring up.
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On March 15 2013 01:29 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 15 2013 01:23 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2013 01:13 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 15 2013 01:11 DarthPunk wrote:
Why is Oats calling Foolishness Town whilst continuing to have his vote parked on foolishness? Why are you not reading the thread? On March 15 2013 00:47 DarthPunk wrote:
So vivax. Why are you answering questions for oats? Oats are you calling yamato scum? yes. On March 15 2013 01:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Oats what is your case on Yamato? Why did you try and imply that Yamato was scum without actually saying it? Why did your town read on Yamato from earlier change? Why have you ignored every question I have asked you? I dont have a case. I didnt imply so I said that he could be an alternative lynch target. My read changed cause my read on foolishness changed. You only asked one question. Hmm. I don't think I have read or could read anything that would rationalise a vote on someone you have called town a few times now. But forgive me. I replaced in 2 hours ago and have not yet managed to read every post in this thread. That is obviously my fault so I will try and do better. You don't have a 'case'. You didn't even IMPLY having a case (although in my opinion that is implied when calling for a lynch) but you believe that yamato is scum correct? You surely must to propose him as a lynch target. If that is the case then you must have a reason for thinking he is scum. What is the reason? Why did you try to imply Yamato was scum without saying so when he stated he skimmed the thread? Oh that thing? It was fishing for a reaction. I dont want to change my vote cause I cant really be bothered. So sue me. I thought you were talking about marv+fool town who now? I don't know if it is just me but I don't understand the last part. Also if you could direct me to the reason behind your call to vote Yamato I would appreciate it.
Hey qtpie, care to take an actual stand on Foolishness rather than the supporting cast?
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On March 15 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:29 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 15 2013 01:23 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2013 01:13 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 15 2013 01:11 DarthPunk wrote:
Why is Oats calling Foolishness Town whilst continuing to have his vote parked on foolishness? Why are you not reading the thread? On March 15 2013 00:47 DarthPunk wrote:
So vivax. Why are you answering questions for oats? Oats are you calling yamato scum? yes. On March 15 2013 01:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Oats what is your case on Yamato? Why did you try and imply that Yamato was scum without actually saying it? Why did your town read on Yamato from earlier change? Why have you ignored every question I have asked you? I dont have a case. I didnt imply so I said that he could be an alternative lynch target. My read changed cause my read on foolishness changed. You only asked one question. Hmm. I don't think I have read or could read anything that would rationalise a vote on someone you have called town a few times now. But forgive me. I replaced in 2 hours ago and have not yet managed to read every post in this thread. That is obviously my fault so I will try and do better. You don't have a 'case'. You didn't even IMPLY having a case (although in my opinion that is implied when calling for a lynch) but you believe that yamato is scum correct? You surely must to propose him as a lynch target. If that is the case then you must have a reason for thinking he is scum. What is the reason? Why did you try to imply Yamato was scum without saying so when he stated he skimmed the thread? Oh that thing? It was fishing for a reaction. I dont want to change my vote cause I cant really be bothered. So sue me. I thought you were talking about marv+fool town who now? I don't know if it is just me but I don't understand the last part. Also if you could direct me to the reason behind your call to vote Yamato I would appreciate it. This is the post I was talking about in the last part Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Is there a situation that both Foolishness and Marv are town and that we need to look elsewhere?
Like, YAMATO!!!!
Actually fuck this. Too much in favor of foolishness being scum right now.
Please explain your flippyfloppy Oats, I don't like it much. You've gone scum-town-scum with no reason whatsoever.
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On March 15 2013 01:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey marv. I am not going to get through everything I need to and as it's 4am I am rather tired. Could you be a dear and link me your case on foolishness and the main rebuttal?
The case on Foolish as it stands is littered across all my posts, and Hiro's posts, in the thread. Foolish's main post is about page 131. My rebuttal to half of it is a few pages ago.
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On March 15 2013 01:44 Vivax wrote:
Oats if Foolish speaks the truth about being unlynchable then scum doesn't care if it's no-lynch today but town will still be in the dark after this day without having accomplished anything.
On the other hand they will have some more people to kill off tonight. Hint: Marv not dying + he has the excuse for it since Dandel keeps saying he will protect him.
If I can give you a hint for posting: Don't fall victim to get yourself dragged too much into conversations (It's ok at times). Do your own thing, don't get pulled into longish conversations about single posts like marv and darth try to get you into.
Go dive some filters, look at important moments during the game (lynch, nuke firing, night hits and their targets).
I often ask quick series of questions too (when I shouldn't) , it's normal at times but there are a lot of people in this game who only lurk in the last page of the game and don't pull out stuff from earlier pages. Those are people like marv and Dandel.
There have been a few times where the game has been properly readable cause people stick to writing long posts. Austin hardly ever spams, he's a fine poster.
This as future guideline if you have comments a la "Oh well you did that too in this and this game" then keep them to yourself we look forward here when it comes to pushing useful play.
lol. here's Cora accusing me of bringing things up from way earlier in the game:
On March 12 2013 08:32 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 08:00 marvellosity wrote:Corazon, can you tell me the difference between these 2 quotes please? They seem to be contradictory points: On March 10 2013 16:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
You aren't scumhunting, you're just throwing shit around. There's no need to do that. We find scum and lynch them. The fact that you are murking the water up means that you are not trying to scumhunt, which would make you not town.
On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 10 2013 16:39 yamato77 wrote:
Your argument is that I'm scum because I refused to argue with you.
Not exactly a strong one. No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is. Why are you bringing this up almost 48 hours after the fact? If you wanted to call me out for it you should have then, not now. Yamato's normal town play is abrasive but purposeful. His play and reads this game has been all over the place. Many calls of scum, only a small percentage of them have been followed through with actual evidence.
Way to go, Vivax!
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On March 15 2013 01:48 supersoft wrote:
on the road: Part 1 reads:
yamato, acro, oats
are town.
this is my final stance on them.
i am curious though, why vivax wents for acro after i called his filter interesting; because i didnt call it interesting because of scummieness. acro actually has some useful contributions, that convinced me that yamato must be town.
acro himself is town, because he was flying successfully under every radar with useless play and shaped up immensly without any pressure.
my read on oats bases on page 0-130. his latest flipflopping however only shows his interest in lynching properly.
therefor it's still accurate!
thank you, i like this perspective, it helps me.
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You're the one pointing out I don't bring up stuff from earlier in the game, Vivax. I'm showing you you're lying once again.
Just sayin' bro
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On March 15 2013 02:12 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:56 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler [point assignment of risk.nuke's…] +On March 11 2013 04:35 risk.nuke wrote:
##fos "useless" s&b scummy points On March 11 2013 17:14 risk.nuke wrote:How scummy would scum Acrofales look if Acrofales did roll scum? However those who would call themselves my friends still will not see. If yamato is town sloosh looks terrible (or rather more terrible). Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 13:04 slOosh wrote:
u kids so bad
a) yamato uses mod-confirm check day one on kurumi
b) yamato then day vigs mod-confirmed town kurumi
c) people complain and call yamato bad but don't vote him
d) yamato is getting away with shooting mod-confirmed town
e) yamato is getting away with shooting mod-confirmed town
f) yamato is getting away with shooting mod-confirmed town
srsly if anybody doen't realize this and considers themselves good, well, maybe you need to bend over to see just how low you really are.
##Vote: yamato These are exactly how a mafia accusing a dumb townie post would look. and in combination with his lack of scumhunting everything it makes my scum-o-meter beep. townie points On March 11 2013 01:42 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 01:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 11 2013 01:21 prplhz wrote:
I have a one shot ability to become immune to the lynch next day at the expense of my own vote. Any votes on me, and by me, will simply not count. Any fucking reason at all why you decided to claim? marv dont ignore me  Because if he's telling the truth keeping a power like that secret is just destructive to town. townie points On March 13 2013 18:39 risk.nuke wrote:
Morning, I know you think my scum meta is to disappear but I assure you I haven't lost interest in this game. Over the nightphase I was content reading, I'm back now to discuss lynches.
on claims
So supersoft is still alive during this cycle as confirmed town.
Sloosh's claim is extremely weird but it sounds like he will be doing a kamikaze at midday so lets leave him alone and see where that goes. scummy points On March 14 2013 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:
We shouldn't be to worried about the nukes. With 2 it's pretty much guaranteed some there are duds in this.
Don't let it sidetrack lynch discussion. And unless the nuke-senders claim their nukes are duds before they hit. Assume they didn't know they were duds. townie points After taking the risk.nuke challenge, I've changed my read. I no longer think he's "likely scum". Instead I now think he's town. A closer reading of his filter led me to conclude I missed a few of his reads because they were disguised as spammy one-liners, but he actually does have reads and followed up on some of them, to a certain small extent. And he has a few posts that seem more likely to come from a pro-town mentality. So compared to several other people in the thread, I no longer think he's one of the most likely scum. So risk, some questions for you: - During day 1, you were pretty strongly of the opinion that Sloosh was scum. How has his "gambit" and his explanation of it changed your read? - During day 1 you also thought acrofales was scum, any updates on that read? Sloosh's role and they way he used it (while dumb and mostly chaotic) is both a townrole and he used it in a way that provided the town with information. Pretty certain he is town. Acrofales firsts posts are scummy. His later post gets better and he appears to be scumhunting but not strictly in a way that's hard for mafia to do, I don't have enough information to determine if it's legitimate yet. I don't want to lynch him yet. I think in time he will prove himself town or get caught.
what do you make of slOosh's interactions with me around the time of foolishness' post and its aftermath?
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