Personality Mafia 2 - Page 26

On March 14 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Also don't answer to marv he aims to pull people into small-sized conversations picking at their latest posts instead of having them look at filters.

On March 14 2013 23:44 yamato77 wrote:

I think Vivax is actually mafia, but I don't have time to make the case until after the deadline, and it'll be stronger with the Foolish flip.

I basically agree with your Acro logic in total, so that's good.

I want to talk more about Sloosh, though. Aside from playing contradictory to you, what else in his filter factors into your read on him?

On March 14 2013 23:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
I changed my mind, too lazy to change my vote if in fact its on Foolishness.

Foolishness is town.
K got past that?

That means that Marv is scum, due to the very nice explanation and trap that foolishness did.

Now what marv did after foolishness's post is nitpick on one specific part and never mention it again. DrH said in his mafia podcast(go listen its really nice). That as scum, you dont want to address a hugeass case point by point because then more slips of logic will happen and you are now very under pressure. Instead, marv picks a small portion, blasts it, then moves on.
Now people dont really remember that and the focus is off marv and onto foolishness who cant defend himself/hammer marv cause he is not here. Then the thread goes to pieces, with marv hastening its destruction.

With Foolishness town, this means that yamato is probably scum, as well as crossfire for reasons previously stated.

On March 14 2013 23:53 austinmcc wrote:

ELI5?

I think that the explanation and plan go hand in hand. It LOOKED bad, but given the explanation, may not have been (or was well-intentioned, something like that). I don't think you can quite separate them this much, and the whole nuke plan still just looks very townie.


If he's scum, he gives nukes to townie people. Townie people nuke their scumreads. Those scumreads are getting nuked, quite possible that we don't lynch them (see supersoft not wanting to lynch Foolishness, see nobody wanting to lynch Kurumi D1 in bureaucracy). Day ends, we've lynched candidate #3 or #4 because 1 and 2 were getting nuked, the nukes don't go off, day is part-wasted and part spent working things out under false assumptions.

None of that happened. Instead, scummy players got nukes, to see how they used them and how people reacted. I don't call that a blatantly bad plan. I call that a very good use of the power he was given. How do you view it as blatantly bad, even outside of the explanation given?

On March 14 2013 23:58 austinmcc wrote:

I disagree on not getting much information. We got GOOD info on slOosh and on crossfire, at least from my point of view. I'll take using 1/4 of a day cycle to get info that pretty much convinces me about the alignments of 2 players, and pulls up some minor info elsewhere (we don't know yet everything that came out of that discussion, and we won't know until later).

Do you think there was a better/townier thing to do with fake nukes?

On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote:
So why is yamato "the best kill"?

More importantly, yamato is not acting like his town play and is pushing mafia agendas. His day vigi shot day 1 is an incredibly anti-town thing to do. Put yourself in that situation, would you day vigi someone day 1 as a town-aligned role? Hell no. We don't have specifics about his role, but if you had the ability to mod-confirm someone in the thread would you do it day 1? Hell no what a waste cause the mafia just shoots that person. The point is that there is no reason for him to use that ability as town on day 1 (no matter what his role PM told him).

On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote:

As stated by a few people (including myself) yamato is playing completely different from his town game. In his town game he is more abrasive and direct about his insults (if he thinks you're an asshat, you are guaranteed to find out about it). And more importantly, he's always helpful when he's town. He says what he thinks and pushes his reads. This can be seen in Town Ain't Big Enough mafia. However in Fruity Mini mafia (when he's mafia), he sits back and let's the town do it's thing; he doesn't contribute.

So overall yamato is not playing like he does when he's town. He's not helping us, and his day 1 vigi shot was incredibly anti-town. If he was town there was no reason for him to do what he did.

On March 11 2013 01:21 yamato77 wrote:
Holy fuck you guys wasted a ton of pages saying nothing.

Is it sad that the best town player since I went to bed last night has been Oats?

Also, everyone calling out Acro for voting Ver is ridiculous. That post was bad and he should feel bad.

I feel like no one saying anything of any significance about VE and his idiocy at the start of the game is disturbing. Why did he react the way he did to me randomly calling him mafia? Why did he fall in line with Corazon to attack me for very little reason? VE acting weird to start the game. People aside from super have ignored him and I am annoyed by it.

Bugs, if you're town, I suggest you quit the useless posting. It's fine to roleplay and all, but I want SOME sort of reads/hidden analysis in there. Right now it's just nonsense.

On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote:

i'm at work you asshat

it's in my filter

What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now.

On March 12 2013 02:56 yamato77 wrote:
I was at work while I was doing the stuff with my role.

It's in my filter, you lazy, scummy dumbasses.

On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote:

Also consider the fact that crossfire was in no danger of getting killed at the moment. If he was about to get lynched I can see sending out a nuke as a last ditch effort to survive or make something happen (hey I just kinda did it, though my motivation is way different). It was completely out of the blue, just as yamato's day vigi was completely out of the blue.

I analyzed this guy day 1 but didn't come up with anything conclusive. On one hand he hadn't done anything to exhibit being mafia, but nothing striking to say he was for sure town either. With his nuke shot we now know where his agenda is and what side of the town he's on.

On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote:

cDgCorazon I'm also confident is town because he's playing to his semi-trolly town meta as seen here. When he's mafia he's completely serious as seen here.

On March 15 2013 00:38 yamato77 wrote:
Marv, I really don't want you to spend your limited time picking apart arguments from Foolishness.

On March 15 2013 00:41 yamato77 wrote:

I read the post already. I already know he lied about meta, I'm not an idiot.

It's really not worthwhile to convince people you think he's mafia. Either they believe him or not, you won't change the minds of people like oats/vivax/corazon by refuting him point-by-point.

On March 15 2013 00:44 Oatsmaster wrote:


Huh?

One of my main points was that marv nitpicked the shit out of that post. Now he isnt, although it came after me 180ing.

Keep going marv.


Ok the only thing that feels off for me is that scum is going all in on this, if its who I think it is. So when foolishness flips town,
they all die. Which isnt that great. So maybe they know that foolishness is town. And that he is unlynchable.

On March 15 2013 00:44 yamato77 wrote:

He's still the leading vote-getter by far, dude. You don't need to push his lynch, it's already happening.

Why not talk about something else that is more useful? You've been on this Foolish bullshit all day basically. Give it a rest.

On March 15 2013 00:46 yamato77 wrote:

It's not useful anymore to do what you're doing.

You're not stupid, Marv. You can get mad at me or whatever, but I think you know he's dead in the water already.

On March 15 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Is there a situation that both Foolishness and Marv are town and that we need to look elsewhere?

Like, YAMATO!!!!

On March 15 2013 00:56 Oatsmaster wrote:


You are wrong on occasion.

I just dont think Fool is scum, and I dont think Marv is scum.

On March 15 2013 00:58 austinmcc wrote:
I honestly think that there's less of a chance they're both town than there is of them both being mafia. As in, there's an outside chance both are mafia, and an outside outside outside outside chance they're both town.

Each is spending a majority of his focus on the other. Makes it look less suspicious that neither is taking control over town in a bunch of aspects and directing things, because they're really just focused on this one guy, and when that one guy flips scum, ta da! All the effort worth it. More focus on a singular targets just helps duck a policy lynch later on, imo.