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Good morning. I have not read the last two pages, but I just looked at the voting thread:
Marv: 5 votes
Vivax: 3 votes
Xfire: 1 vote
DP: 1 vote
This is ridiculous. Marv is NOT the best lynch today and Vivax is probably town based on him being aggressive and nasty, instead of calm and cooperative.
DP and Xfire are scum. I have made the case for Xfire and still stand by it. Just open his filter and look what he has done:
First posts are all fluff. The only non-fluff in the first page of his filter is:
On March 10 2013 15:12 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2013 15:02 yamato77 wrote:
I don't know, while I hate Crossfire, I hate that post from Ver even more.
Decisions, decisions. Why are you fit to be tied? I ain't dun notin'. You're darn tootin', though, 'bout Ver. That is a cattywumpus post. I figure he got a 20% chance a playin' gainst his win condition, which sure seems suspect.
This is just gratuitious suspicion. Yes, Ver was incredibly suspect for that post, but the REASONS DP gives for it are stupid. He clearly believes Ver: there is a 20% chance Ver is playing against his wincon with this and that is somehow SUSPECT? No. There is nothing suspicious about ACTUALLY not reading your role pm. It is suspicious to CLAIM you haven't read your role pm, because the two reasons are: you haven't actually read your role pm, or you're scum preparing an excuse (cop-out) for whatever behaviour comes later.
DP did not think this through. Now townies don't think this through either, but the reasoning is so weak, it just looks like he is buddying up to Yamato (who had his vote on Xfire at the time) without having an original thought about Ver's claim. This, btw is independent of Ver's alignment: Xfire NEVER follows up on this suspicion.
Apologizing for doing nothing, then doing more of nothing:
On March 11 2013 23:32 Crossfire99 wrote:
So I'm like totally sorry for like making my first post of the game now. I was wicked busy. I'll like catch up on the entire thread now, and see like if I can find any scumbags.
On March 12 2013 00:14 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 00:11 marvellosity wrote:
So you're just giving us a one-liner that you agree with someone else's case then, Crossfire? That'd be ill if that's all I did. I posted a few phat things I found, but I'm still looking and will post the gnarly things as I find them.
Activity ahead, I promise.
On March 12 2013 11:00 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sorry I played so terribly. I deserve to be lynched. Watch vivax because he pegged me as town even though i played like crap. Watch out for dandel. he might be scum but i'm not sure cause i've only been scum when i've played with him.
Eh, nvm. Activity too hard. Just kill me instead. You found me out.
Hilariously, he got the vote deadline wrong and then realizes there's still some time and that somehow his lack of activity got people to switch votes. And then we get:
On March 12 2013 11:28 Crossfire99 wrote:
I would vote for viv if only cause he pegged me as town when no one should have.
This I actually thought was an interesting point at the time. If Vivax were scum and Xfire town, this would work. However, it works EQUALLY well if Xfire is scum. Think about it: Vivax is a townie and for some arcane reason actually have a truthful town read on Xfire at this point. However, if Xfire is scum and knows he's played like shit, it is soo easy to just say: that random townie who has a town-vote on me is acting with prior information, because no way an actual townie could have a town read on me. Beautiful way of setting someone up.
Regardless. He escaped the lynch. You'd now expect more contribution from Xfire, right? Wrong.
On March 13 2013 23:46 Crossfire99 wrote:
Hi guys. I sucked this game and I'm sorry. I actually have some free time now so I'll try and redeem myself. I'll begin by doing this.
##NUKE: Foolishness
I'll also vote for Vivax cause he's scum.
##Vote: Vivax
At the time, I thought this was a rather townie post:
On March 14 2013 00:21 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 00:19 Vivax wrote:
This is fruity mafia risk. 2 Pages of filter, talks about irrelevant stuff. Attacks Acrofales on the assumption that yamato is town.
Also yeah the shot on marv was fake. I announced I got a power today, just like Foolish and Crossfire did and marv knows it. Who said anything about me getting a power today? Scumslip. He and foolish both scum.
However, Vivax was given a nuke too, so him jumping to the conclusion that the other nukes were gifts too is not really that much of a stretch. Which makes this null: it is just more free suspicion on his chosen scumspect.
Also, now that we know Foolishness was town, it's clear that Vivax did not have this information from his scumQT (well, unless sloosh is scum, but then I would think he would have alerted his scumteam to not be stupid about this).
The rest of Xfire's filter has chat about the nukes, which is neither here nor there... and a defense of Foolishness' case on him, which is also neither here nor there.
He then apologizes again for being absent. I am sorry you're sick, Xfire: I believe you on that, and that that is a factor in your sparse posts. Nevertheless, scum get sick too, and the (very) few content posts Xfire has made are easy reads to fly under the radar. No longer. Xfire is scum. Kill him.
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first line of the case: reasons *Xfire*, not DP. Time to go have a cup of coffee before continuing 
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On March 17 2013 23:38 risk.nuke wrote:
I'd definitely be up for lynching DP. This game have been hard to get a read on a lot of people, even townie-reads. Untill now. lylo arrived and you can actually tell who care or don't.
Yeah. You look like one of the ones who don't.
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On March 17 2013 23:57 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:42 Acrofales wrote:On March 17 2013 23:38 risk.nuke wrote:
I'd definitely be up for lynching DP. This game have been hard to get a read on a lot of people, even townie-reads. Untill now. lylo arrived and you can actually tell who care or don't. Yeah. You look like one of the ones who don't. That you think that just proves how terrible you are at reading people.
Okay... how have you shown ANY interest in what happens today at all? Or care about the lynch. You have said you want to kill DP, but have given NO reason whatsoever. Now you barge in and say other people are scummy for not caring about the lynch.
You scum, brah.
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On March 18 2013 00:23 prplhz wrote:
maybe you're both scum
Or maybe you are. Look, I can throw around pointless accusations without backing them up or even having done any effort to see if I actually believe it too!
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On March 18 2013 05:58 austinmcc wrote:
Wait...Hiro, you're claiming that Vivax is a politician and has used that power to steal a vote and put it on himself at practically the beginning of a day?
I agree. What possible sense does it make to move a vote to himself?
Either he was supremely confident that scum wasn't getting lynched and he was just using this to fuck around, or prplhz was right about someone else and Vivax was confident he wasn't getting lynched?
Or... the whole claim is bogus. I myself had Vivax down as Bill Murray, because he threw a weird line about Bill Murray's verbosity out there, which makes no sense for someone who has never played with BM.
Gonna filter Vivax and Hiro both and give a decision.
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Oh, and look at prplhz votes at the start of D2.
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Okay, prplhz had not voted for anything or anyone. He mentioned wanting to lynch BC, but BC was shot, so I have no clue why anyone would steal prplhz's vote.
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On March 18 2013 06:26 Vivax wrote:
Anyway I am indeed Toad and I have the power to change votes, I changed prplhz's vote to me D2 after nuking marv (for no particular reason except that people wanted to lynch me), so I'm likely the only reason the hosts decided to let the game go on, unless there are medics/jailers/town roleblockers/politicians left.
Cause as I pointed out, even if we lynch correctly we lose the game without politicians or vigs hitting red.
Huh? Point that out again? I checked the worst-case scenario (assuming no more vig hits and Cora being town):
Cora town means it's now 9-5.
Correct lynch, 9-4 and 2 NKs: 7-4
Tomorrow mylo (today is lylo): correct lynch for 7-3, and 2 NKs: 5-3.
After-tomorrow: mylo again. Correct lynch for 5-2 and a single NK: 4-2.
Another mylo: 3-1.
And... town victory.
Assuming we nail the lynch every time. Starting tomorrow we can choose to no-lynch exactly once. Note that if we no-lynch today we're screwed:
9-5. No-lynch and 3 NKs makes it 6-5. Lynch correctly tomorrow and it's 6-4, but after NKs 4-4 and GG. So today we are at lylo (if Cora is town).
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Assuming Vivax is telling the truth about his role, it makes sense from a "balance" point of view for scum to have a politician if Cora was town. One politician each.
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Actually Vivax must be telling some truth, because Hiro said it's politician. So one of them is town and they both say the same thing.
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Okay, with the way the votes are all over the place, I can't see why scum would bother with fakeclaiming right now. Town is clearly not consolidated and we weren't even starting yet. So why fakeclaim? Makes no sense.
So... if scum has no reason to fakeclaim, then Hiro is a town cop and got a redcheck on Vivax. So... follow the cop, I guess?
Hiro: fullclaim right now.
##unvote
##vote Vivax
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I for one had NO idea what Foolishness' name was D1. I had him down as VayeshMoru (BC's smurf). D1 wasn't a batman story, it was just a story.
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Ugh, Vivax just doesn't look at all like scum Vivax.
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On March 18 2013 06:57 Vivax wrote:Marv scum since N1. Acrofales was really scummy since D2 when he started to ask his nitpicky questions. Prplhz suspicious since D1 but got caught too much into the D2 stuff until I found the slip. Hiro flew under the radar. I found him suspicious initially but quickly decided to not pay attention to him and had him as town on autopilot until now. The others I'm not sure on. Is it risk, Crossfire, Oats, Mocsta, DP, yamato? I don't know about these guys cause they all played really badly and it's hard to tell if bad or scum, but out of the gut I would say Oats for how he defended marv so hard at the start of the day. I also mentioned this early in the day (or at the end of the night) Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 11:47 Vivax wrote:
Oats you went scum-town-scum on foolish and scum-town-scum-town on me or something like that.
Didn't really pay enough attention to ur filter until now but that's what i got from skimming. So well, among these it will be hard to find the remaining scum, the other ones are rather obvious.
Wait... the whole reason you ever suspected me was because I called Yamato town... and now Yamato disappeared off your scumdar?
Yeah. Actually you might be scum, but have gotten some of your town meta into your scumplay.
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In fact... Vivax just dropped Yamato for no real reason today. It makes no sense. Yamato was his strongest scumread for the entire game. Foolishness had a scumread on Yamato and Foolishness flipped town, yet Vivax is now calling him somewhere around his 5th scumread (so hardly scum at all).
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This is a mindbogglingly stupid idea.
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I already said what happened to that: DI flipped to prove Marv was UNKILLABLE last night.
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I don't know what scum did. They may have shot Marv and it got DI killed. Or they roleblocked marv and shot DI.
But it means that if Marv was alive on D2, he was guaranteed to be alive on D3. So yeah, policy lynch moved up a day due to obvious protective roles being obviously protecting Marv.
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On March 18 2013 08:04 risk.nuke wrote:
Vivax is an idiot but he's actually caring.
Fine, then lets default back to Xfire. What makes you think Xfire is town?
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EPT
