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Well I'm utterly confused, so the mob is doing their job well right now I guess.
Krafla, I don't know how you expect the mafia to have suspected you for targeting Luneth unless you post saying "I checked Luneth" didn't actually go through after the deadline. I was always a little scared when you posted that because there had been no official call to the end of N1. Otherwise, yes, the chances were slim that they would have guessed and landed on you, but it could've happened. I don't see any other way for them to have known.
@MLuneth weak and confusing case on Rainbows. My vote stays the same.
Still no Meatless and Matriarch, less than 8 hours to go. Almost making this too easy as far as who we're going to lynch. I'm just going to end up yawning and putting in a vote instantly at the start of D3.
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God I wish we could vote twice today! Are you kidding me Taco? That last post sounds almost like an admission of being scum. The obvious vote on Luneth to save himself. The aggression towards everyone without trying to help out or create a defense. I'll put a quick vote up for Luneth tomorrow, but Taco deserves the early exit.
##Unvote
##Vote: Meatless Taco
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On March 12 2013 08:40 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 08:38 Rainbows wrote:
I can't believe nobody wants to vote ml with me after his blatant lies. Oh wells. I hate meatless more, we can get ML tomorrow.
What he said.
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Omni is now my number one candidate for scum now besides MLuneth. But I'm still going after Luneth first. Things just got way more confusing though because it seemed as if they were working together and that Luneth didn't want to vote for Meatless until he had to.
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I definitely have some new ideas to pitch although I'm still super suspicious of Luneth too. I guess Matriarch isn't getting modkilled, which is interesting in itself (for balancing reasons??).
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##Vote: MLuneth
Don't let this guy slip another day. Luneth, if you think this is unwarranted, be useful today.
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Wave is a pretty big loss, that being said I'm not surprised to see him go tonight. We're all going to have to step it up to make up for his absence.
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@Sn0_Man To shortly summarize, Wave was the first to push for an AD lynch on the first say, and AD ended up being scum. I'm assuming he was targeted N1 by the mafia too. Day 2 he was pushing for a MLuneth lynch and started questioning Omni for tunneling the innocent Meatless Taco once Day 2 ended. I believe he was on the right track with everything and we need to keep following those leads. More in a bit...
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So I wanted to discuss others who might be scum for future reference, even though right now I think MLuneth is definite scum that needs to be disposed of.
Omni
Not a good voting record here. Looking back at his entire filter, he's only voted on 3 people ever: myself, Arctic, and Meatless. 2 are confirmed to be wrong (maybe not in everyone's eyes but certainly in mine). He did change to Meatless before joining the AD bandwagon, but keep in mind that at this point Nobodywonder had a lot of votes, and if he was scum maybe he was hoping NW would get lynched without looking responsible. Then he cleverly set up another town for lynch day 2.
Now consider his thought process. Omni himself admits that his vote on me was done without much to go on besides lurking. That's fine; this can be a pressure vote and get the person to come out and contribute more. The thing is, he hasn't been consistent doing this. A lot of people in this game have cast several pressure votes early on and changed them. Not Omni. He decided to attack me before figuring that Meatless might be an easier and more convincing target. He then proceeded to tunnel Meatless for 2 days. No real talk about AD other than "yeah I agree he's looking scummy", and not much on Luneth at all.
Now the bickering with geript has been interesting. A distraction, perhaps? People started getting uneasy at the seemingly meaningless argument between them, which distracts from the real task at hand. And in the end Omni got his wish and got Taco lynched. This could still be nothing though because if its' Luneth and Omni as the 2 other scum, that's game right there. I'm just looking for connections and people working together. All I know is I want more actual contribution from geript and less stupid jokes. Easy for you to claim you've been onto Omni all along when a mislynch was happening anyway.
Rainbows
Looked quickly through his filter and he still comes up pro-town for me. For some reason when I was thinking about this earlier away from my computer I wondered if there was a connection between him and Omni, but there doesn't appear to be. Rainbows did vote for NW and myself on day 1 before lurking, but then he spent day 2 pushing for a MLuneth lynch relentlessly and given that Wave was killed for doing the same thing I tend to think that is pro-town behavior.
In Conclusion
I want MLuneth lynched today because he is scum and we will learn a lot from it. But I'm really starting to question Omni's bad reads. He posts a lot and people tend to listen because it looks like he put a lot of time into his cases. But just because a case is long doesn't mean it isn't filled with misinformation and inaccuracies. In fact, the chance of this increases. Also, I'm concerned about those who replaced the lurkers. You guys really have to prove yourselves because the lurkers were looking pretty bad before you came in. It makes it really hard to proceed with the constant change so if you guys aren't helpful I'm going to assume that you have something to hide. I look forward to hearing from everyone.
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Maybe the jailer decided to try and roleblock suspected mafia. If it were me I would have just jailed WoS again instead of take a guess and maybe block one out of the 2 mafia, but idk.
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@Raven I had suspected that the jailer would have targeted you last night. I guess the scum saw the same thing coming.
I'm still saying that a MLuneth lynching today would be the best way to go. We can learn a lot from it because it appears that at least one of the mafia is blending in well and will be difficult to catch. If Luneth flips scum, Omni looks worse because he always seemed to ignore Luneth as much as possible. However, if he flips town it basically clears Omni and puts heavy suspicion on Geript and Rainbows. I don't think we're going to be able to figure out the more devious mafia until we get rid of Luneth.
I mean Rainbows pushed me and NW day one and then lurked. Then he pushed Luneth all day on day 2. Geript meanwhile has been just trying to push an Omni lynch days 2 and 3. I'm not ready to lynch Omni today because there is not enough proof. Just like there isn't enough proof on Geript. A Luneth lynch should prove who the true bad guys are so he needs to go down.
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Yeah the way I look at Krafla blue claiming is that it would have been good to wait at least until the deadline was confirmed by the mod (end of N1 post). The mods aren't necessarily perfect with the timing so it is possible that someone switched the RB onto you at the last second.
Now as far as the benefit to Krafla claiming blue at the end of N1, we did use that information to try and piece together what was happening and know that Wave was town getting jailed. So I'm not sure how good or bad it was. It certainly seems worse now because we were almost sure it was game yesterday and now things are a lot more up in the air.
Meanwhile, Omni spent N1 noting who the best targets for the mafia were. (Yeah I trusted WoS too, but I wasn't going to announce that to everyone during the night!). And of course I raised the "red flag" about Omni first, early in day 1. Just a slight FoS. Oddly enough he came after me hard right after that.
Now I know I've talked a lot about Omni while still voting MLuneth. But the cases on Luneth have already been made, from sitting on a NW vote D1, to disappearing and making weak cases in D2. And basically when we lynch Luneth, if he somehow comes up town I'd be inclined to think Omni is innocent. Otherwise he is guilty as sin. So this finds out, and I'm pretty sure we'll lynch scum in the process. Glad there are a few others on board as of now. What do you say Omni? Now that you were wrong on Taco you should vote Luneth with us!
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I don't see how Rainbows looks suspicious right now Raven. There is no connection between him and Omni. Now if Luneth somehow flips town, as I've said Omni starts to look innocent and then Rainbows would have the same problem as Omni has right now, tunneling votes on innocent people. If Luneth is town then Geript and Rainbows are scum. Otherwise the two scum are Luneth and Omni. You seem to agree about Omni, but I don't think we learn as much if we vote him today, and a mislynch on Omni hurts us a lot more than a mislynch on Luneth.
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To answer your question Raven, because Omni hasn't been pushing to lynch Luneth at all. He seems to be trying to avoid it, despite the fact that Luneth looks scummy. It's not 100% certain that Omni is innocent if Luneth is green, but in that case I just see it as Omni trying to do his best regardless of whether he has been right or wrong. Rainbows would look much worse. And I suppose I might look bad too because I've been pushing pretty hard for a Luneth lynch. But then again so was WoS.
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So it seems that people don't like how I'm trying to piece things together. Sorry. But I don't like how Luneth slips under the radar again while people argue over who is saying the dumbest shit today. I'm not going to vote for anyone else.
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On March 14 2013 09:20 MLuneth wrote:
To add to this, ChewOnStu, the person that greipt replaced sheeped the NW vote without changing and lurked, certainly super scummy behaviour.
Which is the exact same thing that you did.
Except I'm more likely to believe that Chew did this for benign reasons because he was replaced.
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On March 14 2013 11:32 Sn0_Man wrote:
At this point I really want to hear some kind of defense out of omni before I continue researching him. He hasn't had any real pressure on him previously so this ought to tell us a lot. On the other hand, he scrubbed out of my last mafia game with him due to PC issues so who knows whats up...
I have a few problems with this post. One being that you want some defense from Omni before you research him. Don't wait for the defense, do research first, make a case, then ask for a defense. Back it up with a vote. If you're not gonna research anything before you hear a defense, why should Omni stop lurking? Also, I'm pretty sure referencing past games in this thread is a no-no and WoS was already warned for doing it.
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And now the longer Omni doesn't give input, the worse it gets for him. Will he finally agree that Luneth is scum? If he waits long enough it's not going to matter what he says because it will just look like a bandwagon sheep vote, which is what his vote for AD looks like. (Especially since he was still saying he wished we voted for Taco even while he was casting his AD vote).
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On March 14 2013 23:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
I still feel like somebody has got to be responsible for the mislynch yesterday and you are going to have a hard time convincing me that that is MLuneth... (I still think it's either geript for mucking up the thread or, as others are pointing out, Omni but he won't defend himself...)
Actually, it feels a bit like Omni is getting out of this lynch by... being afk? :/ So we target somebody else because they respond... (admittedly, MLuneth seems to be digging himself a hole every time he opens his mouth).
The way I look at the mislynch yesterday, it was mainly poor play by Taco. Luneth was set to be lynched and OE wasn't really convincing all of us. Despite some cases on Taco I decided to keep my vote on Luneth. I only changed it when Taco came back with a bad attitude and provided a shitty defense. Same with a few others I think. But I will admit that if Luneth got lynched yesterday my top candidate going into today would have been Taco. I don't think Geript mucking up the thread had much to do with that though.
As far as Omni getting out of being lynched by being afk, I think it's a number of factors. First of all his previous play didn't have me convinced. Secondly, like you said, Luneth digs a deeper hole when he responds. Third, I think there is some regret when the wrong choice was made yesterday after we were so close to getting Luneth.
To respond to your claims on bduddy, I haven't forgotten him. But I'm going with who looks the scummiest right now. If Luneth somehow flips town then there's really a lot of deep searching to do. But at the moment I interpret bduddy's play as inexperienced town. I have called him out every time he's said something dumb and I don't intend to give him a free ride.
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