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Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 08 2013 22:23 GMT

#554

@Wave yeah either Taco or Daishi seemed to be the plan. But I wanted to reassure myself by looking at some filters and I just wanted to point out what I didn't like.

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 08 2013 22:28 GMT

#557

@Omni If we vote scum on D1 it trumps anything else we could do. If Arctic was lynched and did indeed flip as scum we could use that information to pressure others who are behaving similarly. And I think it would be quite plausible to see his votes as town since they have all been bandwagon votes. I don't think scum would vote off one of their own on D1 unless it looks like that person isn't actually going to receive the most votes.

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 08 2013 23:49 GMT

#630

##Unvote
##Vote: Arctic Daishi

I want to make sure we come to a consensus here. We can worry about Taco on D2.

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 09 2013 00:11 GMT

#641

Well it certainly doesn't help your cause that you were apparently oblivious of this until just now when the vote totals were posted again. So apparently you don't read the thread. Regardless of whether you're scum or not, you're not doing anything to help town.

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 09 2013 00:36 GMT

#658

Well you had a half hour left and you just gave up already. Oh well.

I will just add that this should not be cause for anyone to change their vote. He could be playing dumb in order to fool us into thinking he's a bad townie and changing our votes.

All the NW voters, where the fuck are you?

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 09 2013 01:09 GMT

#687

Great job everyone. Day 1 lynching of scum in a newbie game? I'll take it!

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 09 2013 01:19 GMT

#692

I am definitely willing to take another look at Taco, but right now I'm very suspicious of those who never came back and answered for their vote on NW. Wave's point on Luneth is very good because he never changed the vote, maybe in hopes that he'd get the lynch on NW and save arctic. He's also looking scummiest to me atm.

Also Omni, when I made my vote it was still tied with NW receiving the most votes first. So he was still set to be lynched. I was never completely convinced of your case against Taco. And Arctic certainly seemed scummy to me so why not change over to save NW? I was pretty sure at that point that not enough people would come over to Taco anyway to prevent a NW lynch.

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 09 2013 01:49 GMT

#702

It's just that at the moment there are people who look a lot worse. For example, Luneth coming back in to try to show that he is here, stating that he will be reading through filters to see about a possible vote change, only to disappear again without changing the vote.

If anything, Taco's comments tonight have been good.

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 09 2013 23:20 GMT

#754

I think it's a scum tactic for Luneth to vote AD early on when the vote could easily be changed later, especially his explanation for it. The explanation of it being just a pressure vote almost seems like a hidden way to discourage others from voting for Arctic. It's basically saying "my vote's not serious, and I have no good reasoning behind it." Then again, at the time of Luneth's vote, AD was still mostly under the radar.

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 10 2013 00:29 GMT

#783

I'm surprised Krafla was roleblocked. I don't feel like he was suspicious enough to be roleblocked by town. So either the mafia took a shot in the dark and got lucky, or he's lying.

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 10 2013 02:32 GMT

#839

I was initially suspicious of OE, due to questionable reads, and the fact that I think at least one of the mafia is going to be trying to post a lot to cause confusion and paranoia. Now after a full day has passed, we have seen nothing but reads with holes in them. Although if he wanted an easy town lynch, he could've pressed harder for NW rather than changing his vote to Taco, who at that point had no votes. Of course it is possible that he cast the Taco vote in order to avoid looking suspicious while hoping that Arctic wouldn't acquire enough votes to overcome NW.

At this point I'm not so sure I can suspect Geript because he replaced someone who was a lurker. And the lurking was the main thing making Chew look scummy. I assume the replacement was because Chew was no longer available. There's not much to work off of there as of now.

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 10 2013 03:04 GMT

#854

I've been looking through Rainbows' filter to try to get a read on him.

Despite the disappearance, I'm still leaning town on him.

- Wave offers to hunt scum with him. He declines. If he was scum I feel like he would have been more willing to go along with it because he might be able to influence Wave's decision making to his liking that way.

- Changes his vote to me after claiming that a NW bandwagon gives scum an easy chance to hide.

- Any return and vote change would probably have made him look even more suspicious than he does now. If he returned and voted for Arctic it would have looked like a buss, and if he returned and voted for NW it would have looked like he was trying to defend Arctic.

The isn't entirely conclusive so I would still like to hear from Rainbows himself about his thoughts on what has happened since he left.

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 10 2013 03:29 GMT

#858

Well Omni, it's easy to say that Wave and Raven are the only ones besides yourself who have made a real case, because they made the case against confirmed scum. But I'd argue that others have made cases as well. It's kind of useless to list almost every player in the game in order to somehow claim that you are superior. Who's to say you've made a real case? Just because you've said a lot and quoted people, it doesn't automatically confirm that you've made a real case.

I agree that Geript needs to be more useful. He needs to make reads and give opinions. I don't like his just sitting back and casting one liners at people without adding anything else.

I disagree that Taco keeps making himself worse. He made a decent attempt at some reads just now. For example he could have easily spun his read on me to claim that I was scum because people are still unsure about me, but he didn't His scum read on Krafla is reasonable because I'm also suspicious that Krafla was lying.

So tell me Omni, what about Taco's behavior lately is making him look more scummy?

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 10 2013 05:37 GMT

#870

I'm glad you've come back to give your thoughts Rainbows. And strong reads indeed. Luneth needs to stop expecting others to do work for him.

##Vote: MLuneth

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 10 2013 19:29 GMT

#886

@bduddy Just to clarify a few things, while Rainbows made a decent case, his case isn't necessarily the reason for a MLuneth "bandwagon". MLuneth was already looking incredibly scummy before Rainbows gave his opinion, and if you review the N1 posts you see that WoS and myself were already pointing at Luneth as the scummiest looking person.

As far as Krafla, I agree that it could be a total lie, but you need to actually read the discussion about this. Basically, if WoS was jailed, it makes it entirely possible that Mafia randomly chose who to roleblock and chose correctly. This has already been explained. And it's fairly plausible because Krafla wasn't very active on D1 but blues don't necessarily want to look too threatening off the bat.

I'd also like you to try to explain why we should be voting for OE rather than to try and get Rainbows to do all the work and tell you why you shouldn't. Or are you trying to keep quiet?

@Matriarch where are you?

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 10 2013 21:04 GMT

#895

On March 11 2013 05:50 bduddy wrote:
Speaking of the other piece of information we have - would it be at all worth it for our town roleblocker to claim now with who they blocked? I guess he's not a one-shot or he presumably would have done so already, but getting rid of another mafia in exchange for that seems like a good trade to me. Of course there are risks - fakeclaims, maybe we have more than one roleblocker, maybe the mafia is pulling some ridiculous gambit - I'm not saying anyone should do it now, I just want to start a discussion.

Whoa whoa whoa...

I don't see any reason for anyone else to blue claim right now unless they want to make themselves a target for the Mafia. Especially considering that the roleblock was not likely placed on the mafia. Or if the roleblocker was able to RB the mafia with kill power, the mafia roleblocker would use that information to roleblock him and ensure that the kill goes through next time. That is a terrible idea.

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 10 2013 23:42 GMT

#915

Taco is lurking pretty badly at this point too. I keep seeing the same people post and it's really not helping us, because at this point it's getting hard to say something that hasn't already been said. Without new information, we can't build new cases or defenses. It's the perfect environment for scum because they are not pressured to appear. And the more the same people analyze each other, the less reliable the reads are going to get. Neither Luneth or Taco have shown up since the start of D1 and we're now halfway through. My vote stays on Luneth for now because he still looks worse, but I'd like to see both of them show up and contribute.

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 10 2013 23:43 GMT

#916

And of course the more people the better. I'm not saying it's a bad thing that these same people are always talking. It's bad that it's only around half of what we need.

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 11 2013 01:06 GMT

#930

After the great case by NW I can see myself lynching Taco D3 if Luneth is mislynched today. Especially the last bit about how Taco wanted to stfu when he should be actively proving he is town instead. The same goes for Luneth tomorrow if Taco is mislynched today. Then I would probably look to Matriarch.

I mean it's pretty tough to tell until they talk today, and they're going to have to vote at some point. That will help me know what my priority order is. I mean Matriarch could take the heat off of herself pretty easily at this point if she would contribute something.

Frorgon

United States146 Posts

March 11 2013 02:49 GMT

#951

@Wave I certainly plan on being here throughout the day tomorrow because it is possible I could change my vote depending on what these lurkers say.

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