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Vivax
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On March 01 2013 09:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There are two roleblocks in this game, who was roleblocked by the concussion shot? I'm being told that I've been roleblocked and that's it. Can we lynch MilkMan pls? | ||
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Vivax
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From soft-defending what Prom did, to full-heartedly supporting his lynch, but then simply "agreeing" how about what Prom does is "bad" and right afterwards trying to sway attention onto me. On February 26 2013 19:52 The Milkman wrote: Stop asking for day kills and trying to get the identities of smurfs, useless fluff and it only makes the thread big. I am sorry for not posting this in one post but I am getting really dismayed by the one liner festive over here. Effort people, were on like page thirty and we are not even half through the day. I understand Promethelax's plan, it fizzled but what are we going to do. I understand some smurfs suspicion of him planning a getaway with a rng argument. People are quite upfront about their opinions, that is one good thing... Besides all that negativity flowing through them... On February 26 2013 22:33 The Milkman wrote: My initial read on Promethelax was such a disaster, I support his lynch wholeheartedly. His play does not sum up as a town one in my book. He should push analysis, help with shooting down bad plans, actually scum hunt and so on. What is his reaction to pressure? No reaction. He just seems to start posting one liners and filler. I understand Dr's reluctance to be elected mayor, he just wants to play for a little while for once. Viscera is playing cool too. Milksuckler got a little townier than at the start, he seemed cold. Now he seems to be in the mafia trance! Vivax is in my opinion playing terribly, trying to do meaningless stuff like smurf identities, spamming and overall fluff. Toad strikes me as suspicious because of his position and calling for day vig. He does not seem right based on meta - he is not the guy to be "somewhere" but the guy to be at the top of town's structure. Leading, working hard and scumhunting. On February 26 2013 23:26 The Milkman wrote: Okay. I agree with Promethelax not caring about looking town is bad. His "goodbye" post is the most direct way to politely say you just don't care. Although, I don't agree about letting him go and replacing him with Vivax. Vivax's been spammy and useless, while BEING in the thread. He put zero effort, that's true, but that happens - especially at the start of the game. Of course, we should try to spend our limited time (48 hours seems so long, but as others have observed, it seems to be quite short given the switches happening nowadays) as best as we can. And to emphasize my point again. Especially the phrasing of the last post shows how MilkMan rather tries to stay on agreeable terms with others regarding Prom than actually being interested into pushing him. | ||
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Vivax
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A sudden 180 ° turn on Prom after a soft defence, and then talking more about others than Prom himself while calling him scum looks exactly like that. Not to mention how this guy just tried to attack my claim. | ||
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I'm getting hammered into my head since early mafia days that as vigi you pick useless lurkers, hard to read players as targets. Now there are guys here who don't seem to be complete newbies that call me scum for doing exactly that, trying to get rid of a scummy lurker over a guy who at least contributes something. | ||
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Vivax
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On March 01 2013 10:30 MilkSuckler wrote: Vivax accused Milkman of being scum saying "milkman called hassy safe" ? 1. If that's your reason for voting me then you just lost all credibility. 2. It's not true. | ||
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Chez, do you have any proper reads besides some blabbering about third party paranoia? | ||
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I also don't see whatever fallacy you just mentioned about me. My points against him are clear, although I left a few out:
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On March 01 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote: So...nobody has had a look at MilkSuckler/Mocsta in a little while, and as much as I'd like to, people tend to ignore my shit. Vivax, Geript, Aquanim and DrH. Any thoughts regarding him at all before I dive in at some point in the near future? The thing about jcarl is that he's in the same category as a few other people like hassy, Chezinu, JJ and the like, so we might as well RNG one of them and shoot the fish in the barrel cause we will never know for sure if they're scum if we don't get them to post more. Chezinu is currently here so if you want to catch the opportunity to contribute on that line it would be now by trying to get something useful from him, we can also all vote jcarl and lay back while Chezinu still doesn't get asked anything, but even though you might be happy that everyone agrees with you on jcarl I don't think that letting the other lurkers slip like that when they are here is what you really want. I'll take a better look at the rest of what you wrote tomorrow going to sleep now. | ||
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Vivax
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What I don't understand about this whole mess is why grush claimed dayvig and Chez is still alive. Grush, are you really dayvig? If you aren't, why did you claim it? If you are, why is Chez alive? Chez, why did you choose to shoot Milkman? Why did you choose that timing? Why didn't you call him scum before? | ||
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@ WoS On March 01 2013 06:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah, my point is pretty clear I would think. It means I nor anyone else in the thread should be able to trust your reads. You're wrong this time as well if you're partially basing your case on my 'excited' activity. Ugh this is as good a time as any to duck out until after daypost considering I've apparently brought no worthy discussion with my case and am going mostly ignored once again. If only I was scum I'd win singlehandedly. I'll be back later this evening. Oh and I guess so I can contribute to the actual topic of conversation: my 'conspiracy theory' involves Toad in a way. The same way that DrH mentioned he think both Geript and I are town despite being against each other in ways is very different from how I feel towards Toad vs VE. I don't believe it's possible for them both to be town. WoS I just noticed this in your filter. You posted this exclusion case about VE and Toad not possibly being town together, and after VE's flip you immediately went to this: On March 01 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Geript #1 reads NA. Can we lynch him yet? I would have expected you to join into Helvetica's Toad push given your pre-day post. Where did that intention go? You seem to completely be ignoring what's being written about Toad. You replied on a question about Toad with saying you would dive his filter but I still don't see anything regarding that. | ||
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Vivax
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I for sure am not lying and got a standard roleblock notification, so don't try to pull these stunts on me. @ Oo You said in your post that Milkman was "confirmed town". 1. Why are you saying this? My points against him were strong and he was scummy, where is evidence that he was confirmed town? Did you know something I do not? 2. Why are you saying that to call me scummy but not to dissuade me from lynching him? And why aren't you pushing for a Chezinu lynch since he shot him? | ||
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That doesn't change the fact that it's scummy from him to suspect me but not Chezinu. That selectivity isn't rational. The flavour says that you won't be notified of saved hits cause of the concussion while inside the protectron. If I'd want to argue with your logic then I could say that Toad only gets notified of concussion when he gets hit, which doesn't make sense anyway cause he doesn't. The concussion just looks like an argument to not give a notification of saved hits. I don't care about that flavour anyway. I told the truth. If you want to try and get me lynched go ahead and good luck. If I get lynched cause of such a thing this town deserves to lose anyway. | ||
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You don't get notified of saved hits, you still get notified of the roleblock. That's how I believe it is. Everything else is just fallout flavour for a normal jailer. All the roles are perfectly standard but have flavour. I'm still waiting for grush and Chez to respond to my questions. We should be focusing on these two currently rather than Toad. Chezinu is still alive after grush (fake?)claimed dayvig and that's where we should keep digging. We should also hear reasons from Chezinu to shoot Milkman. Until we get these two trolls to clear up the confusion we will be swimming in it. I don't get where you are assuming that Chezinu is town, I agree that it's unlikely that town has 2 dayvigs and 1 vig, so one of the dayvigs has to be scum, in case that grush really is a dayvig, and it's our top priority to find that out. | ||
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Chez could have tried to push for his lynch in that case or comment on my case whatever and decided to go for his own thing which is scummy. I'd still wait for Chez and grush to answer my questions and cast away any doubts before we make a definite decision. If there's still any doubt we will lynch that guy, a tooth for a tooth and it's not like we lose much of a value if he's indeed town. | ||
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Grush there are questions for you too I want answered. | ||
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I just saw you admitted to fakeclaiming the shot. Why did you do that? | ||
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I would like to know where the second nightvig claim is though, I didn't see it. @ grush Still waiting to hear your reasons for fakeclaiming it. Did you want Chez lynched but actually pushed for Toad? You don't make any sense with that. | ||
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