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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 27 2013 21:25 GMT
#1546
EBWOP: from training.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 27 2013 21:38 GMT
#1553
Everything has its context VE, a hassy doing what he does with his past history is not the same as MilkSuckler, of which the post isn't nearly as aggressive as Suckler's anyway.

I don't want Helvetica elected. My vote goes to Prom as pardoner unless Helvetica becomes mayor, then I'll try to get either VE or BH in as mayor. I don't need a dude with a terrible read on me in that position. VE at least knows my town meta.

##Vote Prom
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 27 2013 21:52 GMT
#1568
Anyone else besides JJ you would lynch, wade?

I'd also like more opinions on Hassy, he keeps flying under the radar. So far I'm the only guy who has been pressuring him and that's concerning.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 27 2013 22:07 GMT
#1582
On February 28 2013 07:05 Wade Fell wrote:
Right now, all it takes is like a FEW bad townies from the group voting for VE, DrH and me to say "hey guys I thinkg Geript is actually the best let's vote him" and BAM Prometheleax is the mayor.

Come on, we can't take that risk.


You mean, a few dead townies.

Wade, answer my question pls.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 27 2013 22:20 GMT
#1603
Really let's stop all this fuss about who becomes mayor. I'd currently rather have VE in than Wade given how unwilling to give out reads Wade is. Prom gets lynched either way, the winner gets a double vote basically so let's discuss tomorrow's lynches instead of talking so much about this pardoner stuff.

Destroying the pardoner role is a fine idea but it's not a tragedy if it goes to a townie looking guy either.

Wade, I was actually asking you if you have any other reads besides Prom and JJ, I saw Prom as a nobrainer cause he's dead meat anyway.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 27 2013 23:12 GMT
#1678
The voting thread is chaos currently and VE has been hit by massive egos actually making the victim look bad. Let's get VE or BH elected I can't stand this DrH guy he will just talk shit about you when he feels like.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 27 2013 23:38 GMT
#1692
Jesus it's one extra vote for the mayor. Who cares. Just don't give DrH the satisfaction of becoming it, I can't stand that guy already if he gets some more ego his body will start to synthesize cocaine.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 27 2013 23:45 GMT
#1702
On February 28 2013 08:42 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 08:38 Vivax wrote:
Jesus it's one extra vote for the mayor. Who cares. Just don't give DrH the satisfaction of becoming it, I can't stand that guy already if he gets some more ego his body will start to synthesize cocaine.

This is not a valid way to oppose a candidate


Calling people stupid and bad is right? Nice candidate you're voting for there.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 28 2013 00:02 GMT
#1722
Yes, all praise Toad, our holy saviour. Our mafia bonjwa.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 28 2013 00:10 GMT
#1731
On February 28 2013 09:06 layabout wrote:
vigis on ObviousOne MachoMan or Vivax, lurkers are also acceptable targets.


I want to know why you want me vigged but don't seem to find the arguments to make a case on me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 28 2013 00:23 GMT
#1747
What's this going to be. Lynch credit wars?

Come on. I saw Toad bus his teammate D1 like, with the second or third vote and push for the lynch. We need to find other reasons for people being town or scum than purely voted for/defended a flipped guy. If anything we need to look for people being too sure about Prom's alignment prematurely.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 28 2013 00:28 GMT
#1755
On February 28 2013 09:25 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 09:10 Vivax wrote:
On February 28 2013 09:06 layabout wrote:
vigis on ObviousOne MachoMan or Vivax, lurkers are also acceptable targets.


I want to know why you want me vigged but don't seem to find the arguments to make a case on me.

You were null until a few hours ago and at that point making a case was not a priority.

Your analysis post with the diggerpic was either an effort to look like you were you were contributing or a good indicator of your mindset but i am undecided on which i think it was. But when you pushed aquanim that made very little sense to me. I thought you had been more focused on lurkers than you are upon rereading.

I can't figure you out and i am confident enough in others looking better than you to want to see your flip.


What is this post? You're saying I'm null for you but you want me vigged based on exclusion of everyone else?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 28 2013 00:39 GMT
#1763
I checked fruity again, you were indeed something along 6th or 7th voting for yamato Toad. Your version also coincides with what I see in your filter.

Can we now finally go on to discuss tomorrow's lynches? I suggest Hassy for now for avoiding to give an opinion at all. JJ gives me doubts since his defence of Prom was pretty bold and I can't imagine mafia actually playing that badly, so I'll wait to see what he brings to the table in the future.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 28 2013 13:01 GMT
#1994
On February 28 2013 19:43 glurio wrote:
Let us not forget about vivax. If you look at his filter most of his posts are one-liners. He has already 6 ! pages of filter and this is his one post with actual content.
I'll quote it here for your reading pleasure.

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 28 2013 01:32 glurio wrote:
OK nothing vivax? Really?


On February 28 2013 03:33 glurio wrote:
I'm down with putting prom into the pardoner position and offing him and the role with him.


On February 28 2013 04:05 glurio wrote:
Ok ill change my vote to DrH so VE doesn't get mayor and goes crazy.


On February 28 2013 07:25 glurio wrote:
Ok I'm here now, where should i place my vote?


On February 28 2013 07:35 glurio wrote:
Ok i still don't really get it. So we give a stupid, emotional and possible bad player (just quoting) 2 votes D2? Because you can possibly steer him DrH?


On February 28 2013 07:45 glurio wrote:
So can we consolidate on someone else than VE now?


On February 28 2013 08:11 glurio wrote:
-snipped quote here-


You got toad and prome confused?


On February 28 2013 08:33 glurio wrote:
I do think it's a good idea to put prom as pardoner, but VE as mayor i didn't like so much.


On February 28 2013 08:40 glurio wrote:
When from now is the deadline? How many hours? (Can't get the timezoneconverter thing to work right now)


On February 28 2013 08:42 glurio wrote:
DrH you should switch to yourself.


On February 28 2013 19:44 glurio wrote:
With that i'll be away buying groceries for a while.


On February 27 2013 04:19 glurio wrote:
Do you think vayesh is scummier then prome?


On February 27 2013 02:22 glurio wrote:
Game started at 1 am my time, had to work this morning and it took me nearly 3 hours to read all those pages, that's why it took so long to contribute.


I have to go out for a bit, will be here before deadline hopefully.



On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote:
I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo.

Jcarlsoniv do you believe prom and vivax are town? If yes, what makes you believe so?


On February 27 2013 04:40 glurio wrote:
I found it odd he went so harsh after vayesh because i think vayesh played a good town game so far. Thats why i went after him. Would've gone further in questioning him, if he didn't went afk.


On February 28 2013 00:43 glurio wrote:
Why would i need to prove to you that i'm town? I believe you alread know.
I'll just go on and do some scumhunting, which i am doing right now! So how about answering to my post?




It's funny how you start off your case by
1.mentioning things like activity, that actually show I'm town. You should start looking at my meta before you start drawing conclusions based on that, but drawing conclusions is secondary to you, all you're doing is making a puppet case after a bunch of people mentioned me as scumread.
2. Making points that apply mostly to yourself.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 28 2013 13:03 GMT
#1995
Glurio, tell me more about me mentioning JJ wrongly making me scum please.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 28 2013 13:30 GMT
#1999
On February 28 2013 22:16 glurio wrote:
I bring you back into discussion since right now mostly other people are being discussed and i don't want you to get away with doing nothing.
What good did you do so far?

How could your read change on macho after he replied probably not knowing that you actually wrote something about him?
Whats your current read on him?
Why did you never share your reads although i asked you three times?


I pressured multiple people, I got lurkers like you, Milkman and Hassy to post, I explained my thought process early and thoroughly.

I didn't tell you my reads cause I don't always have to, especially at that time where I was asking specific people like you, Hassy and Milkman questions, one should assume that there's a reason I am asking questions to these people and no one else, no? So asking me about my reads is obsolete when you see them through my actions.

My Macho read is slight town. His last entrance into the thread was really townie. Which scum enters the thread complaining that no one made a case on him? Yeah. What makes the whole thing nullish is the fact that iamp simply is more present during the game, but I don't see any reason to suspect he's scum currently.

Now, answer me the question: What good did YOU do so far? What should make me believe you're town? Your presence has been mostly laid back, seemingly disinterested, low activity, you announce your absence lots of times, but more importantly:

You are asking me to give a read on a guy you believe to be town? How does that fit? Why is it so important for you to know what I think of your townreads? Something doesn't compute here.

Also expand on why me mentioning JJ instead of MachoMan is scummy.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 28 2013 14:23 GMT
#2004
On February 28 2013 23:00 glurio wrote:
Since you obviously don't like sharing your scum reads its all i can ask isn't it? Asked for them enough i guess.

So you ask questions, how would it be if you just get ignored and don't get answers? Just like i did.
You probably try to call the person out, just like i did.

Still not here to make you believe i'm town, already said that. I'm here to hunt scum. I'm asking you questions, not getting answers.

It's not scummy never stated that, i do find it odd that it took 3 hours to correct that, though. Maybe people don't like to put too much thought in what you write? How about starting to do some thinking so people actually read what you write.



Your posts are incoherent and this answer is massively scummy.

You just dodged the type of questions you had the nerve to ask me. You can't find reasons to argue that you're town, and you refuse to play transparently.

Now you say it's not scummy when it's something that makes like 66% of your awful case.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 28 2013 14:25 GMT
#2005
Milkman is probably glurio's scumbuddy, asking some random questions, soft-defending him against me.

If glurio flips red you're next.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 28 2013 14:38 GMT
#2008
I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another.

This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22406 Posts
February 28 2013 15:02 GMT
#2013
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395714&user=68375&currentpage=All - VT

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391615&user=68375 - VT

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393329&user=68375&currentpage=All - Scum

1 and 3 look pretty similar, but he sure posts more in 3. 2 is quite unique.

Problem is: Using meta from newbies isn't super reliable, and those were minis. The posting style and strategies change from newbie games into more experienced ones. As town glurio posted much more complete and concise post, especially looking at 2, before getting killed.

Same as in 1, huge cases. Pushing aggressively.

In 3 lots of summarizing, agreeing with others, apologizing and parroting, half-assed pushes like the one on me here.

The only difference I see is that here he doesn't defend himself, in 3 he did a lot. But I don't want to put too much weight into that, he might have learned from his mistakes.
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