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MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 26 2013 23:11 GMT
#1144
On February 27 2013 08:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes - though the jerk was intended lightheartedly...like you're Steve Martin and I'm saying "Don't be a jerk."

Righto, thanks for clarifying haha

What do you make of OO contributions over the past 6 hours?
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 26 2013 23:27 GMT
#1152
On February 27 2013 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Lacking. Suspicious. Considering the sweet nothings he was whispering in my ear during Nomination I expected more.

What is of more concern to you though?

Someone like OO spewing fluff.

Or

someone like Chaos Bear/Chezinu/<insert other 0 / very-low post count player>
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 00:10 GMT
#1156
On February 27 2013 09:00 geript wrote:
That said, I think that WF's post here is very interesting.
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 06:02 Wade Fell wrote:
If that's still your opinion at the deadline, you can count on my vote. Given that we're both going to lynch the same guy and one of us wants to be mayor and the other doesn't, I'm going to see if I can't win this election in your stead, though.

It does in many regards feel like Dr. is soft running in the possible attempt to backdoor the pardoner role instead.

Do you have reason to be concerned if Dr.H secured the pardoner role?

Thanks fro responding to the other stuff; noted your reads have evolved overnight.. can you please detail who your best scum read is other than prome.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 00:24 GMT
#1165
On February 27 2013 09:21 geript wrote:
Prome I have more null to null minus as it feels more like he's intentionally trying to lynch himself. Right now I'm leaning more towards RO as all his posts read to me more towards general disinterest to trying to do anything. My problem is that I'm having trouble placing the underlying emotion so that I could really place the disinterest in perspective.

You have a habit of not replying to all questions directed your way.

& not quoting the questions.. makes it hard to assess your filter.. I would like to assume this behaviour is not intentional.. even phone posting its not hard to click "quote"

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294&currentpage=58#1156
For the question you chose not to address (for whatever reason)
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 00:28 GMT
#1168
On February 27 2013 09:25 geript wrote:
Also, regarding the pardoner role and Dr. my concern stems from the fact that it feels as if he was feeling out whether or not the plan was to remove the pardoner as to see whether or not it's safe to 'run' for it. I just find that fact that it appears that he's more interested in pardoner than mayor concerning as that role is more powerful in scum hands.

All I am reading is conjecture.

Can you please outline the post in question from Dr.H and rationalise why it indicates he is running for pardoner - specifically?

Theres too many loose associations/assumptions being put forth as contributions in this town. Its time people starting providing more reason behind the contribution. This will be a good start.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 00:46 GMT
#1173
On February 27 2013 09:35 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 05:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
What if I just ran for mayor? I don't like blqzinghand and don't trust him to not change his mind. If you wanna vote me in go ahead, scum will kill me anyway

Can you really say that this is an actually attempt to try and move the mayor role from VE?

I think numerous members said they would vote for Dr.H as mayor.

I dont see how you can assume with certainty this is a pledge to run for pardoner?

Further, I dont like how you answer the question, by throwing a WIFOM question. In my experience, scum tend to take this approach, because it avoids taking a stance and gives off the impression of making a contribution.

Guess what, I nailed prome for this type of behaviour, in my behavioral case....

Care to indulge me further?
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 00:48 GMT
#1176
[QUOTE]On February 27 2013 09:35 TestSubject893 wrote:
I think we're placing a little too much trust in DoctorHelvetica. It seems like some people are treating him as nearly confirmed town, and frankly he's not even close to that in my book. Moreover, I'm afraid that should DrH get either of the elected roles, his perception as confirmed town will only be furthered, without him doing anything more pro-town.

Most of his cred has come from telling people they aren't scumhunting enough and how great scumhunting is, and while these things are pro-town, its not something that's hard to fake. On top of that, the only contribution he's made on the scumhunting front is to really amplify the pressure on Prome. While again, this is great, the fact that he seems to be distancing himself from it slightly in this post [spoiler][QUOTE]On February 27 2013 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote:
I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo. [/QUOTE]
Can you please give me your read on Wade Fell.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 00:48 GMT
#1177
EBWOP fail
TestSubject893
Can i please have your Wade Fell read (just town, null, scum) will suffice.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 00:58 GMT
#1191
On February 27 2013 09:53 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 09:48 MilkSuckler wrote:
EBWOP fail
TestSubject893
Can i please have your Wade Fell read (just town, null, scum) will suffice.


Null. Or maybe on the town side of null.

Noted.. the reason i ask is.. if you consider Dr.H "iffy" due to being active etc etc, I would have thought the same heuristics apply to Wade. So I am satisfied with that response (consistency wise)

Please consider this though (as it seems our thoughts were aligned at one point):
On February 26 2013 23:52 MilkSuckler wrote:
Im a sceptic of those antics being town, because as mafia; I have no qualms trying to push that agenda D1. To me they are easy to take stances, as long as you are willing to commit to being active. An aggressive player like BH to me suits that modus operandi.

Having said that, I think I figured out the missing piece of the puzzle.
With no bodyguards, mayor is not a role that I think scum is gunning for THAT majorly. Its nice to secure a mislynch D1; but ultimately, the risk of thread presence probably does not outweight the reward.

So if BH is pushing that hard for such a low gain, I can see that as town inspired play as opposed to scum.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294&currentpage=45#883
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 01:04 GMT
#1197
On February 27 2013 10:01 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 09:57 layabout wrote:
ObviousOne are these scumreads or you just pressuring inactives for no helpful reason whatsoever?

Who elected you to be the only one allowed to ask questions? I'm trying to get some answers here and you're shitting all over me.

You know who is scum? Layabout is scum.

Whilst I appreciate the effort to contact lurkers.

Lurkers gonna lurk.. and what happens if no reciprocation ==> Your post becomes meaningless.

Can we please see some more efforts regarding the posts we DO have to work with.

Can you give me your updated thoughts on Geript pl0x
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 01:23 GMT
#1213
On February 27 2013 10:20 grush57 wrote:
How can you disbelieve the STARSENSES

How can you keep proving you are actively lurking, yet still contribute nothing.

Dude, lets make it easy
Whats ya read on me.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 01:25 GMT
#1214
Im down for a lynch on prome obviously
and Geript


I actually didnt mind Vivax interplay with Dr. H; am willing to see what he brings to the table next cycle.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 01:30 GMT
#1218
On February 27 2013 10:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
I guess I'm not seeing what's so crazy about JJ's plan. People say things they don't mean in an attempt to get reactions from people all the time. I guess the biggest problem I had with it was that it was pretty obvious what he was doing, and thus wouldn't really work on a player like Prom - but that's just nitpicking when he comes to the same conclusion as me.

What's the beef guys?

Yes, but why comment on iamp.. if he is not going to extrapolate... i mean, basically he gave us a $2 peep show and then disappeared and took the tissues too
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 01:31 GMT
#1221
On February 27 2013 10:30 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 10:23 MilkSuckler wrote:
On February 27 2013 10:20 grush57 wrote:
How can you disbelieve the STARSENSES

How can you keep proving you are actively lurking, yet still contribute nothing.

Dude, lets make it easy
Whats ya read on me.

hmm, I think you are a nice milk sucking bovine, contributing to the farmer's family.
(town)
However, I shouldn't be giving away town reads.

KK.. want to give a scum read pl0x (other than prome)
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 01:37 GMT
#1229
On February 27 2013 10:35 grush57 wrote:
lol obviousone, hahaha
Anyways, I said I don't like milkman.
Also Chezinu is even doing less than unusual so he can die too.
Too many lurkers really, I'm sure some of them are scum too.
However it is day 1 and with mayor lynch kinda hard to make reads ya know.
I'm even more useless on day1, and I usually pick up on the game as it progresses.

Can I have your opinion on Geript pl0x
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 01:57 GMT
#1239
On February 27 2013 10:51 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 10:47 layabout wrote:
On February 27 2013 10:38 ObviousOne wrote:
On February 27 2013 10:37 MilkSuckler wrote:
On February 27 2013 10:35 grush57 wrote:
lol obviousone, hahaha
Anyways, I said I don't like milkman.
Also Chezinu is even doing less than unusual so he can die too.
Too many lurkers really, I'm sure some of them are scum too.
However it is day 1 and with mayor lynch kinda hard to make reads ya know.
I'm even more useless on day1, and I usually pick up on the game as it progresses.

Can I have your opinion on Geript pl0x

When layabout doesn't jump all over Grush for that post I'm fucking CEMENTED in my read they are on the same team. This is BULLSHIT.

Maybe i have different expectations for you and grush?

also his post is better than yours since he doesn't pretend to be contributing and is likely right about scum hiding in the lurkers. Your post was just a pointless "look at me i am contributing" which is scummy.

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

Its my opinion too
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 02:04 GMT
#1244
On February 27 2013 10:59 ObviousOne wrote:
Are you seriously taking everything I said in the first few hours of the game as Gospel truth, guys? If you are, I'm sorry. I can't help you fix your read of me because I'm already dead if that's the case.

My problem stems from Geript. I decided to read his filter from NMM37 and then noticed your filter.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395714&user=263107
In that game as a replacement SERIAL KILLER...you were of more benefit to town in a 12hr period.. then you have been to this game in 24hrs..

That speaks volumes to me: The play shows a sharp contrast as well... pair this with the Shadowing Thread where your insight shared with VE again is widly deviating from your play this game.

Randombum pieces it all together very well.. you look interested, but there is no substance.
SCUM.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 02:45 GMT
#1261
On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax

Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes

Agree on testsubject

With JJ..after re-reading his filter, I liking him a lot better and wouldnt consider him a strong candidate for lynch.

I am very keen to hear the continuation thoughts on macho man, once prome is lynched. This will be paramount to developing my read further on him.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 02:53 GMT
#1263
On February 27 2013 11:50 TestSubject893 wrote:
Well since you aren't answering my question, I'll do my best to address this without knowing your full intent.

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Gotta love seeing the mafia panic as soon as I get any cred. I'm not even pushing my own election. If I'm pardoner i wont use the power. Noone is confirmed town unless you're scum and already know or they die and flip.


Yes, this was exactly my point. I saw some people were forgetting this and I thought it was in everyone's best interest to remind them of this fact.

Show nested quote +
If your suspicion is based on the fact that I'm not confirmed as town, then kill anyone.

Misrepresenting as hell to say all i did was pressure prom a little. I made the biggest case to get the wagon rolling and I nailed wos and vivax to the wall immediately when I got wary of their posts. Even if I'm wrong about prom, my aggression and focus will have the scum sweating.

Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax

Gg no re

If you don't trust me, don't vote for me. If you're suspicious of me have the balls to call me scum. If your goal is to discredit a player who is scumhunting aggressively then you're not helping, especially if you can't point out how my case is so flawed, or honestly represent my post history. Geript has admitted only that i make him nervous and i doubt the town feels the same way. Hmmm who might react that way then?

Prom dies today, everyone else gets pressure. I'll save my next case for when it matters because splitting the wagons now does no good.

If you're just coming in now to discredit active townies after being absent from all productive town discussion, kiss your scum ass goodbye and learn how to play next time.


I believe that at the time of my post people were not really analyzing you enough and/or giving you too much benefit of the doubt. I feared that you being elected would make this worse. I wanted to point this out before we got too far into the process of electing you. I'm not sure why these motives were unclear to you. Implying I was trying to discredit you or distract people from discussion seems like a stretch.
I think it was just a point communicated poorly. Not necessary the message itself, but the whole message.

?Layabout? summed it up well, you call him most likely town, but then cast doubt whilst propping VE.

I think the issue was, you had two separate items to address (Support VE + Query Dr.H) but because you melded it together in one post; it read as a political move to cast doubt on one candidate whilst shining a torch on the other.

Personally I was on the same page with you, as I pointed out prior.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 03:02 GMT
#1269
On February 27 2013 11:58 The Macho Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 11:45 MilkSuckler wrote:
On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote:
On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax

Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes

Agree on testsubject

With JJ..after re-reading his filter, I liking him a lot better and wouldnt consider him a strong candidate for lynch.

I am very keen to hear the continuation thoughts on macho man, once prome is lynched. This will be paramount to developing my read further on him.

how so

Shit question, shit answer.

Cos I thought so.

Up ya game, its far from perfect. being in two games isnt an excuse for shit play or shit questions.

wanna try asking again with something specific?
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