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On March 03 2013 14:45 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 14:41 Aquanim wrote:
Not nearly as convinced on Geript scum as many people seem to be. Besides that, unless you have specific questions I'd prefer to wait for the daypost. AquanimFair enough; but Geript might be worth having light discourse over. What do you think is not sticking so far? I dont need to you to defend his town-hood, just, obviously some points that have been raised I assume you beleive are easily explainable by town motives?
Doing stupid stuff, OMGUS, making bad cases and being paranoid about vets aren't scum tells. My impressions of the cases on Geript are that they make him bad, not scum.
Also he was the counterwagon to Chezinu.
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On March 03 2013 14:54 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 14:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 03 2013 13:58 grush57 wrote:
Tho if geript is scum then we got this in the bag. Scumteam should just give up if we get 3 lynch in a row As is they only get 1 KP tonight. If it goes as expected considering the number of deaths D1 should we expect only one death tonight or do we think they double-loaded bullets onto someone?
I don't really see the purpose in speculating at this point... might as well wait for some actual evidence.
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On March 03 2013 15:18 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 14:53 Aquanim wrote:On March 03 2013 14:45 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 03 2013 14:41 Aquanim wrote:
Not nearly as convinced on Geript scum as many people seem to be. Besides that, unless you have specific questions I'd prefer to wait for the daypost. AquanimFair enough; but Geript might be worth having light discourse over. What do you think is not sticking so far? I dont need to you to defend his town-hood, just, obviously some points that have been raised I assume you beleive are easily explainable by town motives? Doing stupid stuff, OMGUS, making bad cases and being paranoid about vets aren't scum tells. My impressions of the cases on Geript are that they make him bad, not scum. Also he was the counterwagon to Chezinu. Counterwagon.. i been on geript since Day1? i suggest you read NMM37 .. his filter is about 2 pages long (its 4 pages, but some is post-game and pre-game comments) There is no similarity behind the two...
...interesting. Main difference I see is that geript's posts are shorter and he expresses less opinions here (comparing only to day 1, since he died night one in the newbie and he didn't come under a huge amount of pressure there, unlike day 2 here).
This is a normal-sized game though and there's a lot less tolerance for differing opinions in this thread as opposed to a newbie game. Do you think his differing behaviour here cannot be explained by that?
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On March 03 2013 17:09 Mocsta wrote:
It is the way he chooses to push his agenda.
I think there is a clear difference in that behaviour.
Yeah I have no idea what this means. Could you be more explicit? What is different in the way he "pushes his agenda"?
alsi in a bigger game i think it is easier to have different opinions. Not sure why u think there is less tolerance.
I would quote wade yelling at everyone for not voting chezinu two hours into day two, and toad and layabout calling everyone terrible for not considering them confirmed town, etc. etc. but you know what I can't be assed.
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On March 03 2013 17:51 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 17:43 Aquanim wrote:On March 03 2013 17:09 Mocsta wrote:
It is the way he chooses to push his agenda.
I think there is a clear difference in that behaviour.
Yeah I have no idea what this means. Could you be more explicit? What is different in the way he "pushes his agenda"?
alsi in a bigger game i think it is easier to have different opinions. Not sure why u think there is less tolerance.
I would quote wade yelling at everyone for not voting chezinu two hours into day two, and toad and layabout calling everyone terrible for not considering them confirmed town, etc. etc. but you know what I can't be assed. Im not home. Will flesh this out for u day3. Frankly i cant see how u see similarities in play. But will deal with yhis day3 assuming i am around
For reference whenever you return to this I do see differences between his play here and in the newbie. What I want to know is exactly why those differences are indicative of a scum mentality, rather than the different environment (i.e. under attack by vets and in a larger game).
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were you missing this?
ObviousOne
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Obvious' play was bloody useless for the first half of D1. I think he overreacted a lot to my pressure, and his N1 case on me was pretty terrible.
However.
If you read his case on me as a defence of himself (pointing out that everything he thinks I've accused him of is stuff I've kinda done) it makes sense. It might not be particularly good play, but Obvious has been tilted at me all game, and this case does reflect that.
A lot of his play hasn't been all that good and he doesn't like me much but my gut's starting to tell me that OO is town. I don't like it much but there you are.
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On March 03 2013 20:15 geript wrote:
@Aqua I read all your stuff on OO and his responses. I can understand why you could want to target him. I get that. But all his quotes look vanilla to me. I just don't get how you don't see that especially if you think I'm town. Honestly, that's probably my biggest issue as I think you're defending me to look good to some extent. I mean it makes you look shitting now but when I flip it might help you look better.
Yeah he looks town now I agree. Early day 1 all he was doing was useless posts and some scumread (on you IIRC) that made absolutely no sense. I called him out on it, he overreacted so I pressured him a little more. He started posting usefully and towny towards the end of day 1 and by the end of night 1 I thought he was town. The end.
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On March 03 2013 20:30 geript wrote:
No, I thought he was town while you were attacking him. Call it starsenses, call it whatever you want. In rereading, and specifically thinking that the dude is disengaged from the game. Nothing particularly scummy about not wanting to play but feeling obligated to.
Yeah I can sympathise with that.
But it's whatever man, I think we're all agreed that I'm getting lynched tomorrow so you really shouldn't have to worry about it; like we all know that no matter what I flip, everyone's going to be saying "no reason to read him, dude's terrible."
If you survive the night I'll wager 5 internet points that you don't get lynched tomorrow. A little bird has whispered in my ear.
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On March 03 2013 20:49 Mocsta wrote:
Aqua... Why r u so certain geript will be safe.
I'd prefer to leave this till the daypost.
And why do u think he may be a viable nk target
vigilantes
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I reckon most of the scumteam is in the following:
jcarlsoniv, hassybaby, macho man, restraining order
jcarlsoniv:
generally useless, voted against the chezinu wagon=
hassybaby:
Nothing's changed since yesterday. Probably not worth a lynch at this point though, unless we seriously can't agree on anything better.
Macho Man:
Toad (who's familiar with Iamp's meta) was positive of MM scum. Macho's filter looks kinda useless for an experienced player.
Strongly proposed a hassybaby lynch D2... either they're not scum together or Macho Man realised Hassy was going to go inactive and decided to bus him for cred (a la Sylencia/Temil scumteam in Newbie 34). This is sustained into N2.
Restraining Order:
Hasn't done much. All of two posts in D2. sheep onto chezinu wagon indeed looks like a bus. Would expect more effort even from scum but the current situation has to be pretty disheartening.
... my actual plan is to sheep Wade and hope for the best.
I expect JJ to be roleblocked and someone (probably Wade) to be dead. Depending on 3P maybe someone else too. Can't imagine scum think it would be a good use of their time to kill JJ, and it's pretty much established that scum has a RB.
Alternatively roleblock Vivax, kill JJ.
If the scum aren't all in that group I would look at {glurio, geript, WoS, layabout, TestSubject, grush}.
On March 03 2013 20:49 Mocsta wrote:
Aqua... Why r u so certain geript will be safe.
Because I think Wade thinks geript is town.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 03 2013 08:10 layabout wrote:
Defence against what?
right now we have:
vivax
aquanim
geript
themachoman
testsubject
glurio
chez
choas bear
hassababy
jcarlsoniv
restraining order
grush
obviousone
jj
who are all afk or playing retardedly enough to make me want to inflict physical harm upon them or both.
That list is too big. On March 04 2013 06:11 layabout wrote:
Wait a minute.
Player X claims jailer.
Player X expects to live through the night.
Now forgive me if i am wrong but wouldn't that suggest player X might not really be a town jailer?
So jj is scum. Since toad was roleblocked, vivax must be lying about beingroleblocked to allow for jj's claim and thus jj and vivax must both be scum. You can add yourself to that list now. ----- On February 27 2013 09:15 Wade Fell wrote:
JungleJorge just UGHGHGHGHGH
STOP BEING YOU
BE SOMEONE BETTER On February 27 2013 09:49 Wade Fell wrote:
JJ you're just so bad
just share your thoughts. they're terrible
but just share all of them
god
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I was roleblocked.
On March 04 2013 09:11 MilkSuckler wrote:
OK.. so
aqua wants to lynch JJ i presume?
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I have no idea why you think this, uncounterclaimed JK is essentially confirmed town
he may be bad but that's an argument for another day.
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And yes, I've been bad and a sheep since the start of this game. Still having difficulty seeing Geript scum but WF's reads are clearly better than mine. I'll think about it.
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My best guess is that scum construed this as a soft cop claim and (for whatever reason) do not want a cop check on Geript.
On March 03 2013 20:36 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 20:30 geript wrote:
No, I thought he was town while you were attacking him. Call it starsenses, call it whatever you want. In rereading, and specifically thinking that the dude is disengaged from the game. Nothing particularly scummy about not wanting to play but feeling obligated to. Yeah I can sympathise with that. Show nested quote +But it's whatever man, I think we're all agreed that I'm getting lynched tomorrow so you really shouldn't have to worry about it; like we all know that no matter what I flip, everyone's going to be saying "no reason to read him, dude's terrible." If you survive the night I'll wager 5 internet points that you don't get lynched tomorrow. A little bird has whispered in my ear.
For reference I am not in fact a cop.
Considering scum had a framer they should probably have just framed geript though.
Time for some logic.
- Two roleblocks observed N1. Could concievably be a RB on Hassybaby or a double-roleblock on Toad/Vivax but I doubt it.
- JJ claims not to have roleblocked N2, only claimed roleblock afaik is on me.
Possible conclusions:
- Town has two roleblockers to scum's none. This seems ridiculous.
- Town has JJ, scum has a roleblocker who roleblocked me. If I were scum I could be faking it, but given the much better RB targets I have no idea how this would ever result in town cred. WIFOM at best.
- Three roleblockers, there's a roleblock yet to be claimed yesterday and today. I don't believe this either.
I don't see why Vivax would claim single-shot vigilante N1 as serial killer.
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On March 04 2013 11:27 layabout wrote:
He was attacking me without good reason.
I don't regret that, your reply improved my read on you a lot.
His prioty lynch target was hassybaby (who was absent and the kind of target i would expect scum to go for over town).
I thought hassy was scum and I still suspect it. Kept hoping he would actually come back and play.
He asked questions like this which are needlessly aggressive and unnecessary if he would just read the posts in question. It's like he is trying to look like he is doing something by being agressive but without a goal in mind. Frankly the roleclaim alone is enough to lynch him. Until then i didn't see him as a reasonable lynch.
My play in day 2 is generally bad. WF screaming at me for a page for voting my scumread over his didn't exactly improve my attitude to the game and by now I basically don't give a shit. I agree the roleblock on me makes basically no sense.
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If I understand the rules right it's not even like a roleblock on me would reduce scum KP if I was scum, so it's not even like they can be framing me over the lack of scum KP.
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On March 04 2013 12:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Vivax being sk would explain his attitude. Lynch him last.
If Vivax shoots anyone again ever again he is SK. If he doesn't he's not. It's not that hard.
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On March 04 2013 12:18 TestSubject893 wrote:
I think the idea is that if he were SK he wouldn't be telling us it was him.
That too.
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On March 04 2013 12:25 MilkSuckler wrote:
Anyways.. its simple.. Vivax is a lynch later candidate
so the two for today that are front runners are:
Geript and Aquanim
now.. aquanim is against Geript, and surely wouldnt vote himself.
So i suspect it is up to Aqua to convince us of an alternative.
If he backflips and supports a Geript lynch, I am all for then lynching Aquanim.
Well my other surviving candidates are Hassybaby and jcarlsoniv. Hassybaby's not worth lynching. jcarlsoniv's hard defence of chezinu speaks for itself.
I've had second thoughts about Macho since he cheerfully voted chezinu. Also his interest in chezinu's mason logs.
I have no delusions of convincing anyone not to vote geript so unless you really want to see a more detailed case I can't be bothered. Given the sheer number of people who are convinced he's scum maybe I'm just being terrible, I guess we'll see.
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Anyone here? I just read randombum's filter and it contains:
- his weird "elect scum for mayor" plan
- scumreads on OO and jcarlsoniv he never followed up
- late sheeps onto Prom and Chezinu wagons
- that's pretty much it
Does anyone have any reason to think this guy's town? because I can't find one
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On March 04 2013 18:40 ObviousOne wrote:@Aqua: Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:42 randombum wrote:On March 01 2013 11:36 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 01 2013 11:29 randombum wrote:Alright 22, Restraining order, Overall, another really short one, but the conclusion is different though. I don't like his posting. Mostly lurkerish and minimal analysis (focused on JJ). His tone also really bugs me like: On February 27 2013 01:09 Restraining Order wrote:On February 27 2013 00:35 The Milkman wrote:
Why are people of low thread presence trying to defend Promethelax and swing the lynch somewhere else? This is the dumbest thing I have read all game, and let me tell you, there are plenty dumb things around. I hate comments like that which really shouldn't be a part of team liquid. His most redeeming post is: On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote:On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes Which is basically a scum list with no justification. In other words, it's pretty pointless/bad. And that's his most redeeming. So he's super suspicious to me. Not quite as strong as jcarl because jcarls filter just as shitty, but as I posted earlier jcarl backtracked his reads with almost no explanation which to me is worse than lurking. Randombum.. thanks for going through the filters. you have identified two people you are suspicious of. What do you intend to do with them? I already stated I'm going to lynch jcarl unless I get convinced by somebody else. If for some reason nobody wants jcarl and they want RO instead I'd be willing to lynch him too. Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 04:41 randombum wrote:On March 03 2013 00:02 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 02 2013 19:31 randombum wrote:
Chez is looking very scummy looking at this point. Although the set-up speculation is giving me doubts. Still, I would be happy to see him lynched. vote chez RandomBumOn March 01 2013 13:46 randombum wrote:
Going to wait on the aftermath of the day vig before really committing to anything though. ?Chezinu?What happened to Jcarlsoniv? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=120#2388 I still don't like him. In fact I've felt worse about him after he responded. I pointed out some thing I dislike as a scum behavior and his response was to get over it. However, there's like 8 lurkers on chez and I don't think I'll be swaying the town over from a very scummy looking chez that everybody already agrees on. Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 13:40 randombum wrote:
Also, anybody want to discuss somebody not geript? Like jcarl, let's lynch that guy. Interestingly enough he wanted to do a vote switch from Chez based on Chez not being shot by a town day-vig. But he is interested in lynching Jcarl and I think that's bonus points for him right now. Still not interested in a randombum lynch. He looks like he's trying to figure stuff out.
Well there's only two scum left and unless randombum and jcarlsoniv are the last two scum I don't see why scum randombum wouldn't attack a suspicious-looking jcarlsoniv. After all, randombum has to do something...
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