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This co-hostin to log on/off is starting to piss me off LOl
On March 09 2013 08:18 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 08:14 The Macho Man wrote:
i can not wrap my head around a scum shooting his own teammate it just seems to stupid to be possible. (1) Vivax has precedent.. he has done it before (2) Vivax is known for acting rouge as scum; and casting doubt on scum team mates without consent (3) Look at the town cred he has.. everyone fighting it vehemently. (4) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=204#4063Do you really think.. "fail to submit action .. so fake RB on Aquanim" >>>> "shoot your own guy, who was contributing fuck all and was going to be under pressure the next day"? ======= I can guarantee you, i was looking to lead on RO >> Geript Day 3.. (but RO death, made me default to Geript) On March 09 2013 08:19 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 08:17 Aquanim wrote:On March 09 2013 08:14 The Macho Man wrote:
i can not wrap my head around a scum shooting his own teammate it just seems to stupid to be possible. I know, right... but can you think of a single other explanation for N2? I believe my association case clears you anyways..(when Vivax flips) Even though prome discussion to you is somewhat suspect Vivax clearly treats you differently when calling you scum.. compared to RO/Prome (where he calls them scum and then retreats to null).
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On March 09 2013 08:53 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 07:43 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 09 2013 07:34 TestSubject893 wrote:
Or its a fake claim and there was no RB. Lynch aqua. At least we agree it comes down to 2 scenarios Case A: Scum fake Vig-Hit Case B: Scum withhold NK Do you really think there is a 50/50 of this occurring? I suggest you read the scum QT from NMM37. I came up with the idea of withholding NK and pretending to be a veteran who got shot. My coach: VE said IMMEDIATELY, dont do it.. its stupid Mafia is a numbers game.. you need to remove town as often as possible, its not worth the gamble. So again... do you honestly think Case B >>> Case A? & Consider.. case A gives them the NK they need + gives vivax the town cred (which is why you so hard defending him) So what you're saying is that they can't afford to not shoot someone at night from a numbers perspective, so they obviously shot one of their own teammates instead? That's not sound reasoning. What I've had in my head is a situation where they forget to submit to oat and then try to make the best of it by claiming the RB. With that said, I'm starting to be convinced that your situation is more likely the more I think about. There's some time before we have to vote, so I'll try to put a little more thought into it.
Theres a lot of time. 24hrs to be precise.
just keep in mind.. no other blues said they forgot to submit
Scum have to pay attention to the thread.. it was obvious GreyMist said, post to both.
JJ has been here and there, so it makes sense he didnt see it.. but scum dont have the same excuse.
the reasoning is sound.. why do you think your defending him so hard... do you even have a case to support that the Aqua claim of RB is fake?
There is so much more to vivax being scum, than just the fake town-vig claim.. you need to read everything in context.. its undeniable vivax is scum
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On March 09 2013 08:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Yeah, milksuckler, I don't really agree with your case on vivax. I highly doubt scum would shoot scum from the position they were in.
Right.. and that means everyelse is wrong?
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On March 09 2013 08:59 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 08:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Yeah, milksuckler, I don't really agree with your case on vivax. I highly doubt scum would shoot scum from the position they were in. Right.. and that means everyelse is wrong?
It doesnt matte what you think is doubtful. scum have to constantly innovate themselves, or are too easily figured out
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that was obvious
GG JJ
##Vote: Vivax
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BTw.. for those that are still thinking scum forgot to execute the N2 NK.
seriously.. have you played scum before
(1) the host reads the QT, and often the NK is discussed there
(2) the host typically will PM the scum team, if no actions have been given.
Everything was made in the favour for scum to execute the NK... the argument that this chance is more likely than the logic i am explaining, is a strawman argument.. and implies you think aquanim is guaranteed scum.
My filter dump of the FLIPPED scum players, suggests aquanim is clear as non-scum; which again is more evidence to the contrary of "fail to submit" actions.
Just because *YOU* think its stupid to shoot your own, doesnt mean it can not happen.
Scum play needs to be innovative.. town have been demolishing scum left, right and center.
Shooting your own, whilst not innovative, is still a big deviation from the norm, and is acceptable play considering the position RO was in.
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On March 09 2013 09:19 Aquanim wrote:
I had three problems with this Vivax case.
1) If the only explanation for the observed events was that Vivax was scum why would scum do it in the first place?
Answer: Should have been obvious. If JJ had actually done a JK that would have explained the lack of scum KP, which perfectly explains why they didn't roleblock him (which has been mentioned before). Fortuitous in hindsight. I think this was mentioned by JJ but it took me a while to get it through my head.
2) Vivax claimed vigilante Night 1 and scum would have had to "use" their roleblock on him to explain his lack of KP.
Answer: Implies a fair bit of planning in advance but I suppose I can see it. Roleblock night 1 is a bit of a crapshoot
3) I had a townread on Vivax independent of vigilante claim.
Answer: I've been wrong before and will likely be wrong again.
Which leaves the question of "would scum really shoot themselves with their own KP?". I have doubts but it's the kind of plan Vivax and Chezinu would come up with.
##Vote: Vivax
Dont forget about Vivax & RO sussing out vig possibilities well before, unveiling vivax as vig in D1/N1.
I will give them credit, they put the "feelers" out there, and registered no vigilante so decided to follow through.
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On March 09 2013 10:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
That town KP question can't be ignored either.
My only guess would be town has a mad hatter or several armorers.
OK.. if this is what it takes to get Vivax lynched.
I am the mad hatter
I am in a rush (heading out for the next 6 hours) so will make this quick.
I crumbed it twice
(1) Day 1 - made a comment about "BOOM" on something IIRC
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(2) Night 1 last will post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=110#2197
When I reference myself:
If you notice, the bomb is on: Geript
On March 01 2013 08:54 MilkSuckler wrote:
MilkSuckler Last Will Post
MilkSucker: Leave Alone
Town, cept all that suckled milk is starting to explode from 110 pages of thread
Geript: Yes
If I had the means, i would take him out tonight.
I have to go, but hopefully this addresses the concerns about town KP.
Look, I didnt want to claim like this; but if it is going to ensure Vivax is lynched... then so be it.
See ya.
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On March 09 2013 11:15 layabout wrote:
Are we doing a KPclaim or a mass roleclaim?
I miss the ol' mass roleclaims.
We are lynching through jcarl, vivax, aqua, oo, right?
Milk why would a player breadcrumb madhatter if they are a mad hatter? Makes no sense since then scum won't set off your bombs.
On phone
I wrote it in a way, I didnt think people would instantly get...
and since no one appeared to KNOW if mad hatter was in the game, I thought it worked.
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On March 09 2013 11:15 layabout wrote:
We are lynching through jcarl, vivax, aqua, oo, right?
Wrong
we are lynching Vivax today
no one else comes into consideration.
Vivax full stop.
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Let's take out jcarl, as he might not gnige tonight.
We know WoS is final scum
BTW good work on work in vivax everyone
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Ignite is ignige
I meant he might ignite tonight
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On March 10 2013 15:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Apparently nobody cares since Mocsta is basically confirmed town that his most recent read on me is shit despite being right about Vivax. Makes all sorts of associations based on how the mafia interacted with me but where in MY FILTER do you find me interacting with THEM in such a manner? .
That is a very fair point..
I will do the courtesy of perusing your filter before casting a vote on you.
Regardless, jcarlsoniv is *THE* target for Day6 or TestSubject.
(1) If your filter is void of meaningful interactions with the scum team; then I shall vote for TestSubject893.
OR
(2) If your filter is filled with meaningful interactions with the scum team; then I shall vote for jcarlsoniv
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Reasoning, with 5 nights pass, the bartender will have doused 5 people. Hence, if he ignites; town could be in serious trouble.
I think it is a higher priority to eliminate the bartender currently, then lynch scum *yes, I am assuming bartender exists*
To me; TestSubject893/Aquanim gameplay fills the requirements of the bartender quite well.
Grush can also be considered; as STARSENSES is more (Anti-Mafia.. then Town I suppose)
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P.S.
Mafia, if you want a free go at hitting the bartender (cos it works in your favour too) - unless of course you're one of the two.
My bombs:
"Bomb: jcarl
bomb: testsubject"
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